Cases useable with D-TEK Pro-Core

[freshy98]

At the moment I have a Yeong Yang YY-0420B but only one of my two D-TEK Pro-Core's can fit in it. Modding the case not easy to do, so I am looking for a case that can support both.
And I would like to have a mid/full tower model.

I was thinking about putting both heatercores in the top, or just one in the bottom or top of the case. The case would also need the room for shrouds and fan's in push/pull system.

Making my own case is not really an option too. I have idea's but not the skills to do so. Letting my case build up to my specs would be very expensive too.

So, does anyone use these heatercores in a mid/full tower or simple have any ideas, I would like to hear them.

Specs of the heatercore: (WxHxD) 152x178x50mm.
Specs of the fully mounted heatercore with shrouds and fan's: (WxHxD) 152x178x175mm)

[SureFoot]

I am exactly in the same situation: got a YY cube and considering getting a 2nd D-Tek core...
You could fit 2 of them in a Yeong Yang YY-W201, i suppose. At work i built a server in one of those wonderful cases. I have not test fitted my Pro-Core in it though :( And now the server is far away.. As i can recall the case is *very* deep, and quite large as well. I think one could fit a D-Tek core on the rear, with the 120mm fan behind the blowhole (there's a 120mm blowhole near the ATX rear panel)
Those huge Lian Li server boxes are good candidates as well.

[freshy98]

That YY-W201 looks nice, but it will never fir those huge Pro-Cores. The J-120 may fit though.

THe Lian PC-70 should fit since it is 210mm wide, but I do not know what the inner wide is.

[SureFoot]

Hmm i'm quite sure the W201 is large enough to fit a Pro Core, at least in front. It's 220mm wide... As for the rear, i'd need measurements.. i know some reviewers out there got their hands on those cases, maybe dropping them an email would help. We need the length between an outer 120mm fan screw hole, and the edge of the case. If it's over 17mm it's OK.

[freshy98]

I checked a german review from a link on Yeong Yang.com and it did not show a lot of space in the bottom front. Could be mistaken ofcourse. The back surely did not have enough space.

[SureFoot]

Yep the case is bigger in person than in photo, here's the spec sheet with links to reviews:
http://yeongyang.de/products/yyw2xx.htm

I've been planning that on spare time, only checked YY so far. I'll take a closer look at Lian Lis now.

[freshy98]

Hmm, that is a different case then I looked at.
I looked at this one: http://yycase.com/products/yyw101.htm
Gonna check yours now ;-)

just checked a review, and there is no way you are going to fit a Pro-Core in that case and be able to add drives as well. check this picture: http://www.modthebox.com/review298_5.shtml

[freshy98]

Looking at the Lian Li PC-71/75 case atm. Review with pictures here: http://www.dansdata.com/pc7x.htm
I has great space, and what is best, the tray for holding the 5.25" bays is nicely moddable. http://www.dansdata.com/images/pc7x/blackbays440.jpg
As you can see it uses pop nailed in. Screwing that bay out and make it lower should do the trick. That way I can mount 2 Pro-Cores in the top.

[SureFoot]

MMh i'm not fond of top mounting rads, i prefer putting the airtrap there ;)
Anyway you can mount one at bottom, facing front, by getting rid of the 3.5" bays. For the 2nd one i don't see.. Another idea: mount them both in the right side panel (the one behind the mobo), between the PSU and the 5.25" bay ? (edit) ah no, only one may fit there once the PSU is mounted..
(edit2) lookie !
http://www.lian-li.com/products/pcv2000.htm
ain't it pretty.. i need better photos of the interior though..

[freshy98]

allready checked that case. it sucks for what I/we want.

what do you mean with airtrap?

[SureFoot]

The V2000 is a very promising candidate:
http://gmat.free.fr/pix/inside1.jpg
Two Pro Cores may fit.. this case was made with watercooling in mind ;)
airtrap = small res to catch bubbles
air in the rads is not a good thing..
on my quick schematics i've put two possible locations for a res / airtrap.
Of course a bay res is a good option with this case.
What's holding you back with this one ?

[freshy98]

I would say the price at first. It is about 80 Euro more expensive then the Lian Li PC-75 which has a windows ;-)

I can't say I like the position of the 2 heatercores. the front may be ok, but the one on the bottom not. I want to run my heatercores in parallel and therefore I want them ti have the same amount of air at the same time.

[SureFoot]

Here (in France) the PC-75 is @ 252€ (best price)
I can get a PC-V2000 for 269€... not such a big difference...

As for the 2nd heatercore, you could mount it in the mobo-side panel (just over the position where i've drawn it), and get exactly the same air flow. But i doubt the way i've put it is so bad: the case is mounted on wheel casters, so the under side is quite free.

And well the window, ha, who cares, i'm usually a "all go no show" type :) Well at least you get a "virgin" case, modding aluminium is quite easy...
I whish it existed in black though, my current YY is all black and i've matched components accordingly...

[freshy98]

Cheapest I could find the PC-75 was 219 Euro while the V1000 does 299 Euro.
That is a big difference for me. For 80 Euro's I can buy several other stuff I would need to finish the case.

I do not like mounted such a heavy weight in a side panel. Also, the motherboard needs space of it's own ;-)

About the windows, I do not really care for it too but I like the way it is done. Without the rubber.

[SureFoot]

Cheapest I could find the PC-75 was 219 Euro while the V1000 does 299 Euro.
That is a big difference for me. For 80 Euro's I can buy several other stuff I would need to finish the case.
Found the PC-V2000 @ 225€ in Italy.. Try and call them (if you speak Italian, else find someone who does ;) ) to get a quote on shipping charges ;) :
http://www.swzonesystem.it/product_info.php?products_id=1160


I do not like mounted such a heavy weight in a side panel. Also, the motherboard needs space of it's own ;-)
Huh ? It's not in the mobo "zone" at all... it's in the lowest part of the case, just mount it vertically instead of horizontally on my schematics. And it's a side panel you're not supposed to get off much anyway... The lowest "zone" of this case, once stripped of its 3.5" bays, is a good place to put lots of heavy stuff...

[freshy98]

I know what shipping costs from Holland to Italy. Cheapest way is about 25 Euro.

I think I lost you on the placement of the two heatercores, sorry. Can you explain again?

[SureFoot]

What about Belgium ? I'm sure you can find a PC-V2000 under 250€ not too far away from you.
Here's how i would mod the case:
* first, get rid of useless 3.5" racks and this weird thing over the mobo tray
http://gmat.free.fr/pix/inside2.jpg
* next put the 2 heatercores that way:
http://gmat.free.fr/pix/inside4.jpg
* or that way:
http://gmat.free.fr/pix/inside5.jpg
* or both vertically ... (in the side panel)
I'm quite sure there's enough room for that, since the case is 210mm wide and i don't see anything that would restrict heatercore placement, and the mobo is far away, look how it fits there:
http://www.cluboc.net/reviews/cases/lian_li/pcv2000/page5.htm

[freshy98]

The idea may work out, but I still think it is an unpracticle case for use with big heatercores. Placing the Heatercores is one thing, the hoses and waterpump and access to the waterblocks (2 in my case) is another thing.

I will make a picture on what my idea is for the Lian Li PC-75.

[freshy98]

Here is what I have in mind. Don't mind the res in the top on the third picture.
Didn't want to redo all the drawing again ;-) I decided to put a res on the back to cut down on hose length.

http://members.home.nl/freshy98-oc/overclockers/blackbays440.jpg
http://members.home.nl/freshy98-oc/overclockers/pc71in4401.jpg
http://members.home.nl/freshy98-oc/overclockers/pc71in4402.jpg

[SureFoot]

I think the V2000 is a better option, since one can keep all the 5.25" bays. 7x5.25" means i can install a double height bayres, my 2 optical drives, 2 HDD silencers, and my rheobus all in front of the mobo.
Thanx to ChucuSCAD on SilentPCReview forums i have the dimensions of the lower part:

you have ruffly 7.75" wide clear by 9" high by 14"s with the front HD rail installed to the PS pick up about another inch if you loose the front HD rail.
it means i can put 2 heater cores side by side, in any position, plus a pump, and all the tubing, without any problem, between the PSU and the front of the case.
Besides all watercooling equipment resides in the lower part, and i could put a res or a bay-res on top, and have a perfect fill / bleed solution. No risk of air trapped in heater cores...
I have currently 3 waterblocks (CPU + GPU + NB) - and i appreciate the V2000 layout, for most of the tubing can reside in the lower part. Indeed it has more room than the 75. And tubing / wires are not as spread across the case..
For the price i don't see any better solution...

(edit) with the PC75 you'll lose half of the 5.25" bays, have the pump stting in front of the mobo, and heatercores at the highest position, which will create fill/bleed nightmares.. and a lot of modding is implied. The V2000 allows a totally stealth mod with both heater cores laying on the base...

[freshy98]

Hmm, reading that is should fit ok then.

About the 5.25" bays, I only use two or three max. If I build in a rheobus it can fit easily too since it not deep into the case.

Maybe you allready mentioned this, but a nice idea would be to mount the fan's in the side panel (the one basically never used). But what about the weight? Those combinations are quite heavy! Also, you will need to fabricate something to get air through to the other side. I hope you will understand what I mean.

I will check on the V2000 black version if I can get it here.

[SureFoot]

Actually i'm considering mounting both Pro Cores in the side panel, side by side, since i know there's enough room for that (like the #2 heater core in the 3rd pic above)
The pump will be no problem since there will be plenty of room left.
For air circulation, rads will be mounted with fans sucking air, and fans inside the case. So the opposite panel will have either two 120mm blowholes for air exhaust, or a square hole with "modder mesh" ;) That way both panels will look good. Ducting of fan #1 to the front of the case (there's a 120mm square hole there anyway) is another option.
Also take a look at side panels:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article163-page3.html
(2nd photo from the top)
yes they are thick, and reinforced with U beams. Si the "left side" panel will hold both cores without any problem. Lowest U beam is low enough so i won't even have to touch it..
So since the left side panel won't have to be removed anyway (once i've put the mobo mounts, it's basically over with that panel) i think it's the most interesting solution.
Ducting one rad fan to the mobo section would be another idea.. well at least there are plenty options.
I've drawn some schematics, with the Pro Cores exactly up to scale:
http://gmat.free.fr/pix/v2000twin.jpg
Pump placement is entirely open to changes, and i've left tubing alone because i'm not fixed yet if i put the bay res before or after the waterblocks.

[freshy98]

The idea is nice and should be no problem to build.
Pump placement is a point of discussion since it won't fit in front of the heatercore/shroud/fan's combinations. There will be ducts an thus there is no place for the pump to be there as well.
My idea would be to place that right next to the heatercores instead of the fill/bleed system.

I am using a T-line atm but a reservoir will be needed, I think, in this case like you are showing too.
Personally I do not really like the bay reservoirs, so a something like this (http://www.aquacomputer.de/prodimg/nd_products/at_oben_unten_2k.jpg) would be a nice replacement for it. I do not like bay reservoirs because they simply do not fit the rest of the case. They are ugly!

The place to build the reservoir I just linked could be placed best in the top of the case, about where the weird bar is. (on your picture the green line towards the fill/bleed system.

Btw: can't a reservoir be used to fill/bleed too? Also, for letting out air this would be the best place to have it as high as possible. (air goes up, not down).

[SureFoot]

The idea is nice and should be no problem to build.
Pump placement is a point of discussion since it won't fit in front of the heatercore/shroud/fan's combinations. There will be ducts an thus there is no place for the pump to be there as well.
The case is 220mm wide, so there will be plenty of space in front of the rads, and the pump is low profile enough to slip under fan exhaust path / whatever. On my schema the rads are up to scale but the pump is not ;) Anyway as i said there are plenty of options, and ducting would maybe mean putting the pump aside... I'll see that. But my first option is to open up holes in the opposite panel and put a light mesh, so air would enter from the left side (looking at front of the case) and exit directly from the right side.


My idea would be to place that right next to the heatercores instead of the fill/bleed system.
Yes that was my first idea as well. But that way the pump would flow directly to the waterblocks, and from the rads, and usually i prefer the opposite (pump -> rads -> waterblocks), but that's more a matter of taste. Anyway i try to use as few elbows / turns as possible, maybe that's being perfectionist ;)


Personally I do not really like the bay reservoirs, so a something like this (http://www.aquacomputer.de/prodimg/nd_products/at_oben_unten_2k.jpg) would be a nice replacement for it. I do not like bay reservoirs because they simply do not fit the rest of the case. They are ugly!
Yes i was not too fond of bay reservoirs too, but that *clear* (not radioactive-green-like) double bayres, with the black case and general blue lighting, won't look too bad i suppose:
http://www.gruntville.com/reviews/wc/primochill_bayres/index.php
It's the one i placed on my schematics (double height).

Usually i tend to prefer round reservoirs as well, like this one:
http://www.xoxide.com/aneyefiblre.html
The Aquacomputer res is nice and well built indeed, but it's made of aluminium, which i want to avoid in my loop at all costs (100% copper). I even try to avoid brass by mostly using plastic barbs...


The place to build the reservoir I just linked could be placed best in the top of the case, about where the weird bar is. (on your picture the green line towards the fill/bleed system.
Yes the top of the case is roomy enough to put a round res anywhere. That's what i was planning first.. i may do that ;) The bayres is a nice option because of multiple barbs (less 'Y' splitters..) and very easy fill / air bleed solution, and requires absolutely zero cutting of the case ;)


Btw: can't a reservoir be used to fill/bleed too? Also, for letting out air this would be the best place to have it as high as possible. (air goes up, not down).
yes yes yes ! The filling and air bleeding is supposed to take place in the bay res, which is at the highest point.
The lowest part i marked on my schematics is meant to *purge* the system.. i wouldnt want to put that monster of a case upside down.. I'm still thinking about it but it will be built like a very small airtrap, which will act as a small buffer, to prevent pump cavitation. Of course it will have to be mounted diretly on the pump inlet. With a hole on the bottom of the case it will be stealthy. If i don't go the airtrap/buffer route, i'll still have a purge system placed there ;) Put that on years of watercooling and experiences with a heavy, unforgiving YY cube....

(edit) the black case seems to be available on the 25th of June, or at least in Italy. Maybe it's the same elsewhere in Europe.

[freshy98]

The case is 220mm wide, so there will be plenty of space in front of the rads, and the pump is low profile enough to slip under fan exhaust path / whatever. On my schema the rads are up to scale but the pump is not ;) Anyway as i said there are plenty of options, and ducting would maybe mean putting the pump aside... I'll see that. But my first option is to open up holes in the opposite panel and put a light mesh, so air would enter from the left side (looking at front of the case) and exit directly from the right side.

I think we would need the case first then try out where the pump is fitted best. I understand your placement of the pump now. It does look ok.

Yes that was my first idea as well. But that way the pump would flow directly to the waterblocks, and from the rads, and usually i prefer the opposite (pump -> rads -> waterblocks), but that's more a matter of taste. Anyway i try to use as few elbows / turns as possible, maybe that's being perfectionist ;)

I think I wasn't too clear here. The best way would ofcourse be to push the water through the heatercores and then towards the CPU and then the second block of choice, GPU in my case.
Using elbows and turns slow down the water which is not good at all. Therefore I will not use them. The only ones I will be using are the Y splitters for the heatercores in/out of the water.


Yes i was not too fond of bay reservoirs too, but that *clear* (not radioactive-green-like) double bayres, with the black case and general blue lighting, won't look too bad i suppose:
http://www.gruntville.com/reviews/wc/primochill_bayres/index.php
It's the one i placed on my schematics (double height).

Usually i tend to prefer round reservoirs as well, like this one:
http://www.xoxide.com/aneyefiblre.html
The Aquacomputer res is nice and well built indeed, but it's made of aluminium, which i want to avoid in my loop at all costs (100% copper). I even try to avoid brass by mostly using plastic barbs...

Still, it does not match the case using a bayres. If it were to be a stealth bayres it would be ok for me, nut not one that I can see from the outside.

Aluminium is something I want to avoid too. Didn't think about that one with that Aquacomputer res. Oops!
Guess I will need to find my self a nice one to solve that problem.

Yes the top of the case is roomy enough to put a round res anywhere. That's what i was planning first.. i may do that ;) The bayres is a nice option because of multiple barbs (less 'Y' splitters..) and very easy fill / air bleed solution, and requires absolutely zero cutting of the case ;)

Why would you need multiple barbs? Three barbs would be enough!? In/Out plus a fill/bleed barb.

yes yes yes ! The filling and air bleeding is supposed to take place in the bay res, which is at the highest point.
The lowest part i marked on my schematics is meant to *purge* the system.. i wouldnt want to put that monster of a case upside down.. I'm still thinking about it but it will be built like a very small airtrap, which will act as a small buffer, to prevent pump cavitation. Of course it will have to be mounted diretly on the pump inlet. With a hole on the bottom of the case it will be stealthy. If i don't go the airtrap/buffer route, i'll still have a purge system placed there ;) Put that on years of watercooling and experiences with a heavy, unforgiving YY cube....

One in the bottom would be nice, but make sure it is tiny! There is not too much clearence from the ground.

(edit) the black case seems to be available on the 25th of June, or at least in Italy. Maybe it's the same elsewhere in Europe.

One of my favourite Dutch overclocking stores has the V2000/alu white model for 299 Euro now. Damn expensive!
I was thinking about the black one, but seeing that the case have stealth CDROM brezels it would be ok for white/alu :-)
Plus you won't see as much dust on it as a black case...

[SureFoot]

Still, it does not match the case using a bayres. If it were to be a stealth bayres it would be ok for me, nut not one that I can see from the outside.
Put those Lian Li front plates (the ones that come with the case) in front of the bay res.. then it's invisible ;) Anyway it's cheap and non-permanent as no case cutting is involved..


Aluminium is something I want to avoid too. Didn't think about that one with that Aquacomputer res. Oops!
Guess I will need to find my self a nice one to solve that problem.
Apart from the various bayres which mostly are 100% acrylic, you can get the one from Danger Den, or the round acrylic one i posted above.


Why would you need multiple barbs? Three barbs would be enough!? In/Out plus a fill/bleed barb.

I need 2 "ins" + 1 "out" + the fill hole (which is always there anyway)
Here's a tentative diagram of my setup:
http://gmat.free.fr/pix/diagram.png
Note i think i'll drop the "central hose" and keep two separate loops, the "central hose" is there for tidyness purposes. If i can route both hose through the case i'll drop those extra 2 Y splitters.
The 2 "ins" on the bayres allow me to drop one extra Y splitter, for optimal flow... there's only one left, after the pump.
I run my current setup (1 Pro-Core) with CPU / GPU->NB loops in parallel (with 2 Y splitters, one before one after) and i found out it's the most efficient way. From my previous all-serial setup (CPU->GPU->NB) my temps dropped a lot. I understood why when draining the loop: the flow is way better. The GPU->NB loop is in 3/8" so it gets slightly less water than the CPU loop, so i get optimal flow distribution.


One in the bottom would be nice, but make sure it is tiny! There is not too much clearence from the ground.

Yes it will be mostly a PVC junction with a purge valve on bottom. Nothing fancy ;)


One of my favourite Dutch overclocking stores has the V2000/alu white model for 299 Euro now. Damn expensive!
Ouch ! I think i'll buy it in Italy since i live near there... less than 230€ is attractive ;)


I was thinking about the black one, but seeing that the case have stealth CDROM brezels it would be ok for white/alu :-)
Plus you won't see as much dust on it as a black case...
Hehe my problem is i already have mostly black components (rheobus, Pro Core, PSU, etc..) so i'll try and make it nice this time around. My current YY cube looks more like a mini-bar :D Or as i was told once, a big microwave oven..

[freshy98]

Put those Lian Li front plates (the ones that come with the case) in front of the bay res.. then it's invisible ;) Anyway it's cheap and non-permanent as no case cutting is involved..

That would be a way to cover it, yes. But can the plates fit in the case after the bayres is mounted?

Apart from the various bayres which mostly are 100% acrylic, you can get the one from Danger Den, or the round acrylic one i posted above.

It is not exactly and eye candy, now is it? ;-) Sorry, I am very critical on these things :-/

I need 2 "ins" + 1 "out" + the fill hole (which is always there anyway)
Here's a tentative diagram of my setup:
http://gmat.free.fr/pix/diagram.png
Note i think i'll drop the "central hose" and keep two separate loops, the "central hose" is there for tidyness purposes. If i can route both hose through the case i'll drop those extra 2 Y splitters.
The 2 "ins" on the bayres allow me to drop one extra Y splitter, for optimal flow... there's only one left, after the pump.
I run my current setup (1 Pro-Core) with CPU / GPU->NB loops in parallel (with 2 Y splitters, one before one after) and i found out it's the most efficient way. From my previous all-serial setup (CPU->GPU->NB) my temps dropped a lot. I understood why when draining the loop: the flow is way better. The GPU->NB loop is in 3/8" so it gets slightly less water than the CPU loop, so i get optimal flow distribution.

Thinking and talking it over with my dad, it might be a nice idea to try out. Maybe I will try it, but then I will need that bayres too hehe.

Yes it will be mostly a PVC junction with a purge valve on bottom. Nothing fancy ;)

Think this will be the biggest job on the case.

Ouch ! I think i'll buy it in Italy since i live near there... less than 230€ is attractive ;)

What is the site of that company? Shipping to Holland should be about 20 Euro so that would be ok. The case is hard to get here in Holland, and very expensive.

Hehe my problem is i already have mostly black components (rheobus, Pro Core, PSU, etc..) so i'll try and make it nice this time around. My current YY cube looks more like a mini-bar :D Or as i was told once, a big microwave oven..

So what color of the case will you get? Black or alu color?

[SureFoot]

That would be a way to cover it, yes. But can the plates fit in the case after the bayres is mounted?
Lian Li plates look very thin. If the sides don't fit, just cut em, and stick the front plates directly on the bay res :)


It is not exactly and eye candy, now is it? ;-) Sorry, I am very critical on these things :-/

It's quite hard to get a good-looking airtrap/res that is not made of aluminium...


Thinking and talking it over with my dad, it might be a nice idea to try out. Maybe I will try it, but then I will need that bayres too hehe.
The best part is that bayres are very easy to find, even here in Europe, every shop has them. Even a single-height might do, some of them have multiple inlets as well.


Think this will be the biggest job on the case.
(was about the purge valve) not on the case itself, since only a small hole is needed. But trust me, it *is* needed, just think how to flush your system (for maintenance purposes), without unplugging any tube in your loops ;)
The 2 square holes for the rads with their retention mechanism will be more work indeed..


What is the site of that company? Shipping to Holland should be about 20 Euro so that would be ok. The case is hard to get here in Holland, and very expensive.
it's the only site i currently have:
http://www.swzonesystem.it/product_info.php?products_id=1160
note the text in red which says they'll have the product on the 25th.


So what color of the case will you get? Black or alu color?
Black, of course ;)

[freshy98]

Lian Li plates look very thin. If the sides don't fit, just cut em, and stick the front plates directly on the bay res :)

Guess that will be the trick to find out once we have that case ;-)

It's quite hard to get a good-looking airtrap/res that is not made of aluminium...


The best part is that bayres are very easy to find, even here in Europe, every shop has them. Even a single-height might do, some of them have multiple inlets as well.

I think I would go for the dual height. Also in addition to that I would want this (http://shop.freezinghardware.nl/index.asp?Pagina=00003&ItemID=1359). It can hold 3 hard drives in a 2 5.25" height bay, and has a 80mm fan to cool the drives!

(was about the purge valve) not on the case itself, since only a small hole is needed. But trust me, it *is* needed, just think how to flush your system (for maintenance purposes), without unplugging any tube in your loops ;)
The 2 square holes for the rads with their retention mechanism will be more work indeed..

We need to think of a good way for that purge valve. Something that is practical and also looks nice.
Why would you want squar holes? The fan's are round. I was think on using something like this (http://www.tweakstore.nl/shop/detail.php?sesart_id=3074&abt=77&itemgr=274). They will match the black case (the store has them in other colors too).

it's the only site i currently have:
http://www.swzonesystem.it/product_info.php?products_id=1160
note the text in red which says they'll have the product on the 25th.

I talked to someone I know in Italy and he told me you will have to add 20% VAT to that price. Meaning, ~224 Euro will be about 270 Euro excluding shipping! Which I don't know if they will do to foreign countries. Or you must live real close ;-)


Black, of course ;)

Hehe, I still haven't made up my mind yet. One minute it is alu color, the other it is black :bang head

[SureFoot]

I think I would go for the dual height. Also in addition to that I would want this (http://shop.freezinghardware.nl/index.asp?Pagina=00003&ItemID=1359). It can hold 3 hard drives in a 2 5.25" height bay, and has a 80mm fan to cool the drives!
Well, i wouldn't, since it adds a fan...
My system has currently ONE fan, the one on the Pro-Core.. and it's a PAPST 4412 N/2GL, a very slow / silent one.
HDDs are put in SilentMaxx enclosures, so they are passively cooled and silenced. My 15000rpm Seagate runs @ 36°C with a 20°C ambient.. So it's quite enough, no need for fans.
My PSU is the Yesico 420W, it's fanless.
And my CPU GPU and NB are watercooled of course.
All this means a very silent system, it's whisper quiet ;) When i add the 2nd Pro-Core i'll turn down the speed of both fans to quiet them more.



We need to think of a good way for that purge valve. Something that is practical and also looks nice.
Indeed. I'm roaming the local "home depot" to find suitable parts :)

Why would you want squar holes? The fan's are round.
The fans will be pulling air, and the rads will be mounted on the left panel - it means they will present their cooling fins directly outwards. Thus i need square holes on the left panel. I can do round holes on the right panel for air exhaust, or a big square hole with some kind of mesh.. i'll see ;)

I talked to someone I know in Italy and he told me you will have to add 20% VAT to that price. Meaning, ~224 Euro will be about 270 Euro excluding shipping! Which I don't know if they will do to foreign countries. Or you must live real close ;-)
Yes i do :)
You're sure the price is not VAT inclusive ? Bah in that case i'll wait for the end of the month (which i would do anyway) and see the prices in France, might find it around 250€ like the 'alu' version.

[nikhsub1]

www.mountainmods.com makes great cases, if you like aluminum cubes :D YOu can see mine HERE (http://www.anonforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39)

[SureFoot]

www.mountainmods.com makes great cases, if you like aluminum cubes :D YOu can see mine HERE (http://www.anonforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39)
Well mountainmods make nice *air cooled* cases indeed, but they don't seem much suited for our application (100% watercooled, twin heater cores..) And shipping charges to Europe alone would be in the ballpark of $200..

Cubes ? Hell i like cubes, i've had a YY cube for years.. Still using it BTW ;) but the "cube" form factor has its limits when it comes to fanless + watercooled operation...

Next step for me is totally silent GF6800U + Barton2800+, overclocked like crazy, so the only fans i allow are the ones on heatercores, and they are undervolted.. Everything is watercooled already, all i need is either a custom case (spaceship form factor..) or that neat Lian Li PC-V2000: it has everything without losing space (actually space allocation in this case is amazingly efficient). Moreover it has an upside down mobo mount so the GFX card will have its ramsinks looking up.. thermally sound.

Cases designed with pure watercooling in mind are rare indeed.. Apart from the YY cubes which are fine until a certain point, most cases are designed for air cooling purposes. Looks like the V2000 designers had the watercooling crowd as a potential target... I think even the V1000 would please most, with a single frontal-mount heater core.

[fallguy]

The D-Tek Pro heatercore with shrouds fit fine in the PC-70. I had one in my old setup.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dfall/Comp/Watercooling/2.JPG

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dfall/Comp/Watercooling/7.JPG

[SureFoot]

Nice and clean, but i don't like putting a rad in that position: it becomes an airtrap..
And the initial problem was fitting *two* Pro-Cores in the same case...

[fallguy]

You can fit two up top. Just move the ROM's down lower.

[SureFoot]

See previous page for my comments about that solution: you lose too many 5.25" bays. It's not space efficient, requires lots of modding, puts heatercores on top (not good), and defeats other silencing purposes (HDDs mounted in 5.25" silencing racks... not possible anymore with lost bays). Plus the fans would have to push through HCs, less efficient than pulling, and HCs would get hot air from inside the case instead of fresh air from the exterior...
A "good" solution would allow putting both heatercores in bottom / middle, with fans sucking inside the case, an airtrap on top, a purge system on bottom, the pump, all that with 6 *free* and non-obstructed 5.25" bays, with a clean layout (nothing in front of the mobo..)..

[freshy98]

Well, i wouldn't, since it adds a fan...
My system has currently ONE fan, the one on the Pro-Core.. and it's a PAPST 4412 N/2GL, a very slow / silent one.
HDDs are put in SilentMaxx enclosures, so they are passively cooled and silenced. My 15000rpm Seagate runs @ 36°C with a 20°C ambient.. So it's quite enough, no need for fans.
My PSU is the Yesico 420W, it's fanless.
And my CPU GPU and NB are watercooled of course.
All this means a very silent system, it's whisper quiet ;) When i add the 2nd Pro-Core i'll turn down the speed of both fans to quiet them more.

I am using two Papst fan's per heatercore and I think they are the same as yours. Need to check on that. The fan's do 30dBa each, and running four at the same time means 36dBa I believe. Used a program that was on the frontpage once.

The HDD enclosure does 22.5dBa so that is allmost unhearable too. Plus it is a lot cheaper then buying three of these (http://shop.freezinghardware.nl/index.asp?Pagina=00003&ItemID=907), which do 29dBa each!!! Plus, I am using IBM/Hitachi drives which are very, very quite too.

Indeed. I'm roaming the local "home depot" to find suitable parts :)

I don't have much time atm, but please tell me what you find.

The fans will be pulling air, and the rads will be mounted on the left panel - it means they will present their cooling fins directly outwards. Thus i need square holes on the left panel. I can do round holes on the right panel for air exhaust, or a big square hole with some kind of mesh.. i'll see ;)

Ah ok, then it sound logical. I am using a push/pull system so I am ok with round holes. I just need to find someone with a 110mm round hole saw ;-)

Yes i do :)
You're sure the price is not VAT inclusive ? Bah in that case i'll wait for the end of the month (which i would do anyway) and see the prices in France, might find it around 250€ like the 'alu' version.

The guy in Italy told me it is allmost normal for Italy not to mention if you need to pay tax on something. So best thing would be to conact them and ask about it. And when you do, could you ask them if they would ship to Holland and if so, for how much?

[freshy98]

www.mountainmods.com makes great cases, if you like aluminum cubes :D YOu can see mine HERE (http://www.anonforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39)

That case would fit my needs, but shipping it to Holland with that price...
Think about the shipping costs plus the costs I will have to pay on customs, a $450 case would be about 700 Euro then.
That is a bit too much for me ;-)

[freshy98]

You can fit two up top. Just move the ROM's down lower.

I made a picture on that on the first page, but really ideal it is not.

[freshy98]

SureFoot, a guy here in Holland bought the V2100 (the one with door).
I have asked him to do some messurements on the lower part of the case.

http://members.home.nl/freshy98-oc/got/MVC-004S-Edit.jpg

I asked him to messure the orange part and the orange+green part.
The reason for the left side is that the fan in the front is pretty useless to us.
we can use the 25mm for the heatercores and pump (depending on where we place the pump ofcourse).

Btw: Have you ordered your case yet? I will have to wait untill I have money again.

Also the bayres is kinda hard to find.
I won't be doing a Y split on the CPU and GPU waterblocks. I have a Cascade which has a high airflow so I am a bit scared it'll go wrong there. Or I should Y the water in the two heatercores and then use one heatercore per waterblock, and direct the exits of both waterblocks to the bayres.
Not really sure what I will do there...

[thorilan]

it will fit in a pc60 also. just spent the last 2 days in akihabara measureing the pc60. it would require that you do a minor cut or 2 to move the extra HD rack out of the way

[SureFoot]

it will fit in a pc60 also. just spent the last 2 days in akihabara measureing the pc60. it would require that you do a minor cut or 2 to move the extra HD rack out of the way
Indeed, but what i like in the V2000 is that most of the equipment sits alone in the lower portion, and *nothing* comes in the way of 5.1/4" bays.. well it's ideal. And rads can be placed optimally, and nothing stands in front of the mobo..
Understand that i am changing my case for a better one... Beating the setup of a YY cube is kinda difficult, IMHO YY make the best cases.


I asked him to messure the orange part and the orange+green part.
The reason for the left side is that the fan in the front is pretty useless to us.
we can use the 25mm for the heatercores and pump (depending on where we place the pump ofcourse).
Yes. I got reports from another buyer here, that 3.1/2" racks are screwed in, so they are easy to remove, which is a good news. I think i'll open up a hole in the wall in front of the PSU, and place the pump above the PSU itself, so the outlet points towards rads, and the inlet points towards the mobo (pump sitting on its back). That's just an idea, i'll see how i do it when i have everything. There's so much room that there are many options ;)



Btw: Have you ordered your case yet? I will have to wait untill I have money again.
Ha. The european release date is shifting :( and Lian Li officials are not very communicative on the matter.. V2000A is already available here, but price has climbed up (!!), anyway i want a V2000B (the black one), and it's still not available anywhere in EU :( I'm waiting for swzone to have them in stock before i make the order, which pushes the date back to 9th of July..
Anyway i'm waiting for the end of the month to get some money, as i'm also changing my GFX card to get a 6800GT... and a suitable waterblock for it.


Also the bayres is kinda hard to find.
I have a few addresses, try openjl.fr they have it in stock, there are shops in UK and Spain as well.


I won't be doing a Y split on the CPU and GPU waterblocks. I have a Cascade which has a high airflow so I am a bit scared it'll go wrong there. Or I should Y the water in the two heatercores and then use one heatercore per waterblock, and direct the exits of both waterblocks to the bayres.
Not really sure what I will do there...
Your last idea is the best i think. Pump -> Y -> then one rad per series of waterblock, put the Cascade alone in its loop, and trust me it will get *more* flow than in series with everything else. I tried it already ;) the difference is not subtle ! No i have *too much* flow for my small airtrap :-/

[freshy98]

Surefoot, sorry for the late reply. I didn't get an e-mail that there was a new post here *grmbl*

That the 3 1/2" bay's are screwed in is indeed great! Sounds like the YY case which has everything screwed in too :-)

I don't really understand you idea on the pump placement though. What wall in front of the PSU? please draw a picture of that if you can/want. I think it will be much clearer then.

Good thing those cases take a while. I have quit my job and started a new one on july 1st and the old job is a pain in the ass concerning payment and stuff. So that will give me some time to think things over and save money again.

I have found the bayres on http://www.extremecooling.co.uk and they ship to Holland. There is also a shop here in Holland and quite near where I live which has them too, but I need more info since the picture and the description don't match properly. I tried to contact him but no reply yet. Need to call him.

What I find strange is that when you Y the flow it flow 50% less water through each block. how can that be good???

[SureFoot]

I don't really understand you idea on the pump placement though. What wall in front of the PSU? please draw a picture of that if you can/want. I think it will be much clearer then.
Ah, i'll try ;)


What I find strange is that when you Y the flow it flow 50% less water through each block. how can that be good???
well it's 50% of *overall* flow, and overall flow is quite greater with less restriction. So say you have 40lph when in series, if you get 80lph in parallel, each branch will have 40lph.. In practice i've seen that in parallel flow is more than 2x the flow in series, maybe because of tube routing (less bends..), and maybe because my GPU block is quite restrictive. Also 50% is not quite exact, i set up my GPU + NB loop in 3/8", it's way more restrictive than the CPU loop which is all 1/2", i'd say the flow distribution is more like 75%/25%.. that's why i got more flow over my CPU than when it was in series

Anyway try both configurations, and see which one works best for you ;)

[freshy98]

well it's 50% of *overall* flow, and overall flow is quite greater with less restriction. So say you have 40lph when in series, if you get 80lph in parallel, each branch will have 40lph.. In practice i've seen that in parallel flow is more than 2x the flow in series, maybe because of tube routing (less bends..), and maybe because my GPU block is quite restrictive. Also 50% is not quite exact, i set up my GPU + NB loop in 3/8", it's way more restrictive than the CPU loop which is all 1/2", i'd say the flow distribution is more like 75%/25%.. that's why i got more flow over my CPU than when it was in series

Anyway try both configurations, and see which one works best for you ;)

I have everything in 1/2" since my GPU block is a D-TEK Customs GPU cooler which has 1/2" by default.

So, when you Y the flow to the two heatercores, where do you from 1/2" to 3/8" to the NB and GPU blocks? Before or after the heatercore?

[SureFoot]

After, just because my heater core barbs are in 1/2".
And yet, with my next setup (Mobile 2600+ 45W / 6800GT) i think i'll go 1/2" all the way, since even with an overclocked 2600+ the 6800 produces more heat than the CPU !!

[freshy98]

After, just because my heater core barbs are in 1/2".
And yet, with my next setup (Mobile 2600+ 45W / 6800GT) i think i'll go 1/2" all the way, since even with an overclocked 2600+ the 6800 produces more heat than the CPU !!

Yeah, that would a good idea :-) what waterblock for the GPU and CPU are or will you be using?

[SureFoot]

CPU -> TC-4 (my current block), or Whitewater with copper top (if money allows)
GPU -> Either the new DangerDen 6800 block, if it's out soon enough, or a modded (to 1/2") alphacool GP-N with a custom hold down plate (it's just an aluminium plate after all)
NB -> Z-Block ;) no change

[Bad_CEKTOP]

I have one of these (http://shop.freezinghardware.nl/index.asp?Pagina=00003&ItemID=1649) and it fits a D-Tke Pro core perfectly in the 5.25 bays, you could put 2 on top of each other if you desire.

[SureFoot]

Nice but it will sacrifice most if all of the 5.25" bays which i need for opticals and HDD coolers, and the res...

[freshy98]

Placing two on top of each other would also mean that routing the tubes is kinda weird. The shroud/fan would be in the way of routing them.

Could you make a picture of the it all? I am interrested in how it looks.

[Bad_CEKTOP]

I was just saying the case has a lot of room, you can make a hole at the back top and mount a core there and put the PSU at the bottom. In dual loop setup you can have 1 core doing GPU+Chipset and 2nd doing CPU mounted in totally different sections of the case. The stacker is just so big it gives you a lot of flexibility. I have a very complicated plan for mine, includes a TEC water chiller and 8x120mm PAPST fans. Will be looking into expanding to a dual loop, one to cool the chiller and 2nd for the CPU+GPU+Chipset, may expand to 3 loop. I've already spent over $400 on equipment, not including the price of case. May take another 2 weeks for me to get everything setup, have to do a lot of custom shroud and bracket sheet metal work.

This is probably the best looking case for the space/flexability it offers. The power LED is darker green and the HDD led is blue :) no need for LED modding there, made me happier.

[freshy98]

sounds like an interresting project. be sure to post pictures, etc. ;-)

[freshy98]

Here are some pictures on the bass pipes I want to use in the case.

http://members.home.nl/freshy98-oc/overclockers/bass01.jpg
http://members.home.nl/freshy98-oc/overclockers/bass02.jpg
http://members.home.nl/freshy98-oc/overclockers/bass03.jpg

Since the other side will pull the air in, these bass pipes can push the air out nicely I think.