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Krowa 02

06-11-04, 04:18 AM

X86Dude

06-11-04, 05:27 AM

In a word. No.
Onboard audio still sucks.
Manufacturers still only see one thing.... dollar signs.

Private Joker

06-11-04, 05:44 AM

Hmmm, but i´ve experienced worse in the past. The old onboard soundcards were like aztec16bit-s***.
I had a SB awe32 pnp and a Terratec Maestro 64 Soundsystem EWS XXL in my old rig. In my opinion the onboard sound of the Asus P4C800-E Deluxe is good enough for gaming, musik and video (6 channel) and even better than my old ones.
The Midi capability (of course) is worth nothing....

Krowa 02

06-11-04, 07:15 AM

Grrr, well the audio on the MSI board is 8 channel if that helps?

Otherwise I gotta use this terrible audigy 2 driver that wont let me overclock (I dont overclock anymore anyway, but im worried it will make other stuff in my system not run properly)

Still going to get that msi board anyway I hate the ic7

Azzkiller

06-11-04, 01:02 PM

In a word. No.
Onboard audio still sucks.
Manufacturers still only see one thing.... dollar signs.

That's a blanket statement.

It really depends. The onboard sound on my Soyo Dragon was pretty good, while the onboard sound on my ECSK7S5A is terrible.

Steven4563

06-11-04, 01:06 PM

if u have Nvidia SoundStorm like me it doesnt suck :D lol but i dont have aclue with P4 boards maybe Nvidia should bring out PCI Soundcards

isnt there a different driver that will let u overclock ??

coughman

06-11-04, 02:45 PM

As a suggestion, Asus has a new P4P800-E Deluxe which has 8-channel audio (Realtek ALC850 codec). Dunno about the quality of it.

My old P4P800 Deluxe's onboard Soundmax is decent too.

Krowa 02: I suspect your Audigy 2 ZS prob still has better sound quality anyway.

Permanoob

06-11-04, 02:48 PM

The onboard audio on my Asus A7N8X rocks.. I took out my SB Live in favor of it.

X86Dude

06-11-04, 09:35 PM

That's a blanket statement.
Ummm yea. :-/

Had the author of this thread asked for information about a specific product I would have been more then happy to offer a detailed reply...... as it stands now this so called "blanket statement" is a pretty good reply for a blanket question.

It really depends.

Who is the one offering blanket statements now?
Depends on what? ;)

The onboard sound on my Soyo Dragon was pretty good, while the onboard sound on my ECSK7S5A is terrible
Compaired to what?
When compaired to an Audigy2 ZS how do either of those integrated audio solutions you mentioned stack up?
Get it now?
Or do I have to make another blanket statement that explains it in terms you understand? :D

Azzkiller

06-11-04, 10:20 PM

Ummm yea. :-/

Had the author of this thread asked for information about a specific product I would have been more then happy to offer a detailed reply...... as it stands now this so called "blanket statement" is a pretty good reply for a blanket question.

Who is the one offering blanket statements now?
Depends on what? ;)

Compaired to what?
When compaired to an Audigy2 ZS how do either of those integrated audio solutions you mentioned stack up?
Get it now?
Or do I have to make another blanket statement that explains it in terms you understand? :D

He is looking at the "msi 875" motherboard. How is that a blanket question? http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-130-452&depa=0

Like I said, not all onboard sound is bad. I am not making a blanket statement if i say it depends on the motherboard, because it does. What you are saying is akin to saying that all white people are thieves. Are all white's thieves? Certainly not. Are SOME whites theives? Absolutely. Would I be making a blanket statement if someone asked me if all white people were thieves and I responded "it DEPENDS on the person"?

Wouldnt you agree that the Realtek featured on the MSI board is better than say a generic ac97 onboard device? I don't think that the Realtek is BAD. All onboard audio is not bad, so making a statement saying that all onboard sound is bad is wrong, unless of course that is your opinion, which you did not state it as one...

Compared to the Audigy2 ZS, the inclusion of both coaxial digital and optical audio outputs put the Soyo Dragon's "sound quality" in the same league, or better in the case that it can be interfaced with a consumer level reciever digitally in my opinion. I PERSONALLY see more value in the onboard Dragon sound over the Audigy.

The original poster's question was, "has onboard sound gotten any better". And the answer is IT DEPENDS. It depends on what motherboard you have.

Get it now?

Azzkiller

06-11-04, 10:28 PM

Krowa 02:

The onboard sound on the MSI board you listed would probably work great. Do you plan on using its analog or digital audio outputs? Are you going to be using speakers or headphones, or both?

X86Dude

06-11-04, 11:08 PM

He is looking at the "msi 875" motherboard. How is that a blanket question?
He (?) said----> Im looking at the msi 875 mobo
The title of the thread is----> "Has onboard sound gotten any better?"
Blanket enough for you? ;)
I removed the link for clarity and because I also understood what he motherboard he was talking about.

Like I said, not all onboard sound is bad. I am not making a blanket statement if i say it depends on the motherboard, because it does.

If I say?
Excuse me?
If I say all onboard audio sucks, because it does, does that make it so?
Absofreakinglutly not.
You are offering little more then a subjective opinion and as such you are not even close to creating a foundation from which you can make that type of a statement.
Please show me your opinions are correct and leave the argumentative crap out of your replies. There is no need to turn every reply you post into a flame war because of the way your type them.

What you are saying is akin to saying that all white people are thieves. Are all white's thieves? Certainly not. Are SOME whites theives? Absolutely. Would I be making a blanket statement if someone asked me if all white people were thieves and I responded "it DEPENDS on the person"?
Umm ...... how is this analogy relevant here?
It does nothing but serve as a way for you to try to make a point ... that point is understood. I do not have reading comprehension problems so lets keep the self serving, rhetorical, analogies out of this discussion. OK?

Wouldnt you agree that the Realtek featured on the MSI board is better than say a generic ac97 onboard device?
Six of one a half a dozen of another.
The Realtek solution is nothing more then an AC97 interface.
To answer your question. No.

I don't think that the Realtek is BAD.
I do for a number of reasons.
The first is personal experience with the buggy drivers. And the second is the poor sound quality (compared to an Audigy2).

All onboard audio is not bad, so making a statement saying that all onboard sound is bad is wrong, unless of course that is your opinion, which you did not state it as one...

Feel free to take anything I do not offer proof of as an opinion.

Compared to the Audigy2 ZS, the inclusion of both coaxial digital and optical audio outputs put the Soyo Dragon's "sound quality" in the same league, or better in the case that it can be interfaced with a consumer level reciever digitally in my opinion. I PERSONALLY see more value in the onboard Dragon sound over the Audigy.
Other then the fact that the Audigy does indeed feature a coaxial SPDIF port on the back plate I have no problem with you offering your opinion as to how or why the onboard audio included in the Dragon was better then the Audigy.
Let me just say that I personally see more value in a product that does not depend on the host system to process audio data.

The original poster's question was, "has onboard sound gotten any better." And the answer is IT DEPENDS. It depends on what motherboard you have.
Nope.
It still sucks when compared to a sound card that features hardware acceleration of 3D audio.
Isn't the whole point here improving performance?
The Audigy2 doesn't like the higher FSB speeds this person gets when he overclocks his system Vs an integrated solution that relies on the hosts system for processing data?
Catch 22 if I ever saw one..... do I reduce the FSB or switch to a CPU dependent solution that has the same negative effect on performance?

Get it now?
I always had it..... :D
Do you got it now?
lol

Azzkiller

06-12-04, 12:09 AM

He (?) said---->
The title of the thread is----> "Has onboard sound gotten any better?"
Blanket enough for you? ;)
I removed the link for clarity and because I also understood what he motherboard he was talking about.

I wouldnt consider the thread title the question unless his post was completely blank, especially when he asked about that motherboard. At any rate, please explain this response:

Had the author of this thread asked for information about a specific product I would have been more then happy to offer a detailed reply"

Really? So you dont consider the MSI board a SPECIFIC product? Did you even bother to read his post, or just the title?

If I say?
Excuse me?
If I say all onboard audio sucks, because it does, does that make it so?
Absofreakinglutly not.
You are offering little more then a subjective opinion and as such you are not even close to creating a foundation from which you can make that type of a statement.
Please show me your opinions are correct and leave the argumentative crap out of your replies. There is no need to turn every reply you post into a flame war because of the way your type them.

My "opinion" as you call it is correct because there is no possible way you have analyzed every onboard sound card that has been produced. If you have, then I admit I'm wrong. Therefore you have no way to judge EVERY soundcard with a blanket statement by saying onboard sound is crap. Saying it depends isnt a blanket statement. I havent heard every onboard soundcard, I cant account for all the variables. It is VAGUE, yes, but it certainly isnt a blanket statement. Unless you can say for sure that there is no possible way that any factor associated with any onboard sound is better than aftermarket then it is a FACT that onboard sound is better in some way. Therefore it does depend, and all onboard sound does not suck, as it beats something on aftermarket. Since he didnt specify, we will never know.

Umm ...... how is this analogy relevant here?
It does nothing but serve as a way for you to try to make a point ... that point is understood. I do not have reading comprehension problems so lets keep the self serving, rhetorical, analogies out of this discussion. OK?

I used it because it illustrates my point. You wouldnt call me out if I said that in response to someone's post saying my response was a blanket statement, now would you? If you want to get philisophical, then perhaps you could say "it depends" is an opinion when talking about something GENERAL. I'll admit I can't "prove" it for sure. I can't believe anyone would literally take it as such though.

Six of one a half a dozen of another.
The Realtek solution is nothing more then an AC97 interface.
To answer your question. No.

Perhaps I should have been more clear on what I called a generic ac97 device, huh? ;)

I do for a number of reasons.
The first is personal experience with the buggy drivers. And the second is the poor sound quality (compared to an Audigy2).

Good reasons. What do you think about it's digital output section? Does it sound bad too?

Feel free to take anything I do not offer proof of as an opinion.

How is one supposed to know if something is indeed a fact or opinion unless you qualify it as such? Simply not showing any proof along with a statement doesnt mean it isnt a fact.

Other then the fact that the Audigy does indeed feature a coaxial SPDIF port on the back plate I have no problem with you offering your opinion as to how or why the onboard audio included in the Dragon was better then the Audigy.
Let me just say that I personally see more value in a product that does not depend on the host system to process audio data.

1. An adaptor isnt required to use the SPDIF port on the Dragon
2. Dragon sound was esentially free since it came with the motherboard (I would have bought it with or without the audio onboard and paid the same price)
3. Optical audio output for more flexibility
4. Does not feature the sampling problems associated with running the Audigy with a 44.1khz output
5. Digital audio inputs (im not sure if the audigy has this though)
6. Software isnt bloated
7. Dont really care about cpu cycles used (its low enough for me). Even a framerate hit of 10 percent in a game would be barely perceptable to me.

Nope.
It still sucks when compared to a sound card that features hardware acceleration of 3D audio.
Isn't the whole point here improving performance?
The Audigy2 doesn't like the higher FSB speeds this person gets when he overclocks his system Vs an integrated solution that relies on the hosts system for processing data?
Catch 22 if I ever saw one..... do I reduce the FSB or switch to a CPU dependent solution that has the same negative effect on performance?

So all onboard sound does not feature 3d acceleration? Audio obviously isnt all about performance. How is it a catch22? You already said all onboard sound sucks. Therefore, the audigy is obviously the winner unless it sucks as well. Remember a blanket statement is all encompassing. There is no way onboard sound can win as per your statement.

I always had it..... :D
Do you got it now?
lol

Apparantly I dont?

X86Dude

06-12-04, 12:34 AM

Bla bla bla.... we are getting nowhere fast here.

You know the best part about banging your head against the wall?
When you stop it feels good. ;)

JigPu

06-12-04, 12:59 AM

Bla bla bla.... we are getting nowhere fast here.

You know the best part about banging your head against the wall?
When you stop it feels good. ;)
As much as I hate to compliment the starter of the rants (...since they should never have started...), what X86Dude says is 100% right. :) Arguing over the semantics of the phrase "blanket statement" and other issues should be done either through PMs, or in it's own thread. Only comments/suggestions pertaining specifically to the questions posted by Krowa (like the 2nd half of both of your rants) should be in here.

As for my own little blanket statement (;)), onboard sound does still suck. If what X86 and Azzkiller posted is true about the MSI board using and AC97 Realtek solution, I'd definatly it's bad. I don't know anything about Realtek specifically, but AC97 (in general) sucks.

JigPu

Azzkiller

06-12-04, 01:38 AM

As much as I hate to compliment the starter of the rants (...since they should never have started...), what X86Dude says is 100% right. :) Arguing over the semantics of the phrase "blanket statement" and other issues should be done either through PMs, or in it's own thread. Only comments/suggestions pertaining specifically to the questions posted by Krowa (like the 2nd half of both of your rants) should be in here.

I agree in principle JigPu, but who is going to make a thread called "I love ac97" And then list the reasons and hope people start a meaningfull conversation? I hoped the people who felt THD was a good spec for measuring reciever performance would discuss it with me in my thread, but that didnt happen.

As for my own little blanket statement (;)), onboard sound does still suck. If what X86 and Azzkiller posted is true about the MSI board using and AC97 Realtek solution, I'd definatly it's bad. I don't know anything about Realtek specifically, but AC97 (in general) sucks.

JigPu

I guess thats your opinion.

james.miller

06-13-04, 04:22 AM

FrostByte

06-13-04, 08:15 PM

I just installed a DFI Ultra Infinity rev A+ & it has SoundStorm. Its fantastic. No way am I puttin an add on card in & have to deal w/ THOSE driver issues. Thanks DFI

Albuquerque

06-14-04, 11:45 AM

Azzkiller

06-14-04, 06:39 PM

ooo deja vu...

All on-board sound thus far is rubbish bar the soundstorm. The realteks on your dragon ARE ac97 parts, so how you can call them better (to any real degree) than any other ac97 equiped board is a mystery. My nf7-s (soundstorm) uses those realtek650's for the analogue conversion stage and quite honestly it is appauling, certainly almost as bad as my k7s5a. Thank god for digital outputs eh?

telling him he can uses the digital ouput is fine and dandy and i agree - quality would be much improved. But you must also tell him that he will only get 2 channel stereo from that digital port unless he's watching a movie. He if wants multi channel gaming then he will HAVE to use those analogue ports. Now with the added cpu utilization, limited EAX support and general all-round poorer quality, it doesn't look quite as atractive anymore:(

No I'm going out on a limb here, but he currently has an audigy2 ZS. Something tells me he choose that card for gaming....

Seeing how I don't care about surround sound gaming performance, the ac97 part didnt bother me. Seeing how everyone is different, maybe you could concide that while ac97 to me is fine, to you its terrible? Is that ok with you? None of your arguement made ac97 any less apealing to me. how do you even know Krowa 02 plans on utilizing eax or positional sound? Creative is probably the most popular consumer aftermarket sound card manufacturer.

Oh that sounds familiar. Remember our little argument azzkiller? difference is, i CAN prove it. That's a double standard right there azzkiller. The words pot, kettle and black come to mind.

What are you arguing now? Are you still refering to the sony earbuds with the +/-3dB 6hz-23khz response? If so, please do show me the proof, and i'll admit I was wrong.

And how can you PROVE something like "it depends" is an opinion, when the question is vague? Who do you agree with james.miller? Is "it depends" a blanket statement or what?

james.miller

06-14-04, 06:52 PM

Not all onboard sound sucks on Intel systems!

Howabout an M-Audio Revolution 7.1 card built in? Likely they best SQ in the current business, even to include the Audigy series. Take a look at my motherboard; Albatron PX865PE Pro II. Comes with:

Envy24HT 7.1 Audio (exact same stuff in the M-Audio Revolution)
CSA Gig Ethernet (no PCI bandwidth used )
Dual BIOS (no unrecoverable bios flashes, ever!)
PATA RAID and SATA RAID (not everyone bought SATA drives)
Voice Genie (beep codes are for 486 motherboards )
8 x USB 2.0, 2 x Firewire ( >400mbit pwnz j00! )
PAT-alike for 865 chipset
Active all-copper northbridge cooler
Certified and warrantied PrescHott support

All for like $130 or less brand new. I've owned several of these boards now; all were great. Had one running 284FSB with a 2.4C (sold it), got another one now running 248FSB on my current setup. Great boards, great price, great sound, great features, etc etc.

oooh forgot about that one :thup: yup, that pretty much kills 'em dead as far as analogue otuputs go. If ultimate audio quality's the goal then thats the way to go, short of going for another seperace audio card lol.

Seeing how I don't care about surround sound gaming performance, the ac97 part didnt bother me.
The problem is azzkiller is that it this isnt your thread. it's not you asking the questions, it's not you wanting the best from their on-board sound.
maybe you could concide that while ac97 to me is fine, to you its terrible? Is that ok with you? None of your arguement made ac97 any less apealing to me.
and i never said otherwise. To you it may well be fine. To us who want the best for our money, or who spend time listening to the extent that the difference in quality is a nusence or down right appauling - ac97 is far from enough. At the end of the day your choice is your choice - nothing wrong with that :thup:. However that said, if that IS your choice, then mabey you aren't the best person to give him advice? I dont know - i'll leave that up to you.

Creative is probably the most popular consumer aftermarket sound card manufacturer
For a good reason, and no it isnt their 2 channel stereo quality or there drivers which frankly are sub par. It's their gaming performance first and formost.

No I'm going out on a limb here, but he currently has an audigy2 ZS. Something tells me he choose that card for gaming....
Remember that isnt set in stone...hence the "going out on a limb" part. It was an asumption on my part, and given the circumstances a perfectly good one IMO. People buy creative audigy's because they are THE best gaming cards, azzkiller. I dont think you can deny that:)

Azzkiller

06-14-04, 07:32 PM

The problem is azzkiller is that it this isnt your thread. it's not you asking the questions, it's not you wanting the best from their on-board sound.

Yes, but he hasnt specified exactly what he needs, so we have to assume. Just like you assumed that he was a gamer because he uses an Audigy ZS. He hasnt specified anything in particular about his sound needs. Therefore any guess is a good one IMO.

and i never said otherwise. To you it may well be fine. To us who want the best for our money, or who spend time listening to the extent that the difference in quality is a nusence or down right appauling - ac97 is far from enough. At the end of the day your choice is your choice - nothing wrong with that :thup:. However that said, if that IS your choice, then mabey you aren't the best person to give him advice? I dont know - i'll leave that up to you.

Best for your money? Listening for quality? Well that is your opinion too, because I find some ac97's to be quite capable - even for quality listening. But I agree, there are a lot of bad sound devices out there. Ironically, considering onboard sound is free, wouldnt you say it is the best for your money? I use a Maudio audiophile 2496 as my souncard. Is that good enough for your exquisite tastes to allow me to make reccomendations? Or do I have to spend over 200 dollars on a soundcard to be up to your uber audiophile standards? What "high end" audiophile card do you listen with? What did you say earlier? Pot calling kettle black?

Remember that isnt set in stone...hence the "going out on a limb" part. It was an asumption on my part, and given the circumstances a perfectly good one IMO. People buy creative audigy's because they are THE best gaming cards, azzkiller. I dont think you can deny that:)

Yes, just as I am going out on a limb reccomending all the stuff I did. I have no way to tell for sure. I never said your assumption is bad.

Sure most people would agree (myself included) that strictly for games, the Audigy's where it's at. But I'm sure there is someone out there that would disagree.....

stratcatprowlin

06-14-04, 08:31 PM

Out of all the onboard sounds i've heard I think they suck too.Including the analog soundstorm.I found them lacking in clarity and noisy in general.
Of course I never heard every single one but the ones that I did sucked for sure.

So no,I dont think its gotten better

Albuquerque

06-14-04, 09:12 PM

I'm tellin ya, the ol' Envy24HT chipset in the Albatron board is pretty badass in Analog mode IMO..

X86Dude

06-15-04, 03:54 AM

I'm tellin ya, the ol' Envy24HT chipset in the Albatron board is pretty badass in Analog mode IMO..
Had they not chosen to cripple it with the VT1616 codec I would be inclined to agree with you. :beer:

james.miller

06-15-04, 05:52 AM

You're babbling again azzkiller so much so i'm not going to answer you 'questions'*. Who in the world cares about your m-audio soundcard? what does that have to do with this thread? why do you INSIST on arguing worthless and irrelivent points? all good questions, but answer them in PM - not here.

*i will answer one though.
Or do I have to spend over 200 dollars on a soundcard to be up to your uber audiophile standards? What "high end" audiophile card do you listen with? What did you say earlier? Pot calling kettle black?
Why so defensive? who said i use a high end audiphile card? where do you keep pulling this nonsence from?

FYI, i'm using the digital output form my soundstorm. its not hard to work out what ive got - all you had to do was read my sig, but again you argue for the sake of arguing. Now how on earth can you think i'm the one setting the double standards?

remember azzkiller - answers in a PM only please.

Had they not chosen to cripple it with the VT1616 codec I would be inclined to agree with you.
Yeah it's a shame that. Still the best in terms of raw analogue quality from an on-board solution anyway, though of course they dont quite measure up to the Envy24HT soundcards.

It's far to say that a digital hookup is going to be roughly the same across the entire range of on-board solutions (bar soundstorm) so really its only the analogue side that can easily be improved on.

Out of all the onboard sounds i've heard I think they suck too.Including the analog soundstorm.I found them lacking in clarity and noisy in general.
Of course I never heard every single one but the ones that I did sucked for sure.

So no,I dont think its gotten better

Oh i can agree with that lol. ive been using the digitl out so long i forgot just how bad the analgoue outputs were on my nf7-s. shocking, absolutely shocking.

Azzkiller

06-15-04, 11:11 AM

james.miller, I'm defensive because you claim this: "However that said, if that IS your choice, then mabey you aren't the best person to give him advice?"

If you want to keep it to PM's why did you start arguing with me off-topic in this thread in the first place?

stratcatprowlin

06-15-04, 03:55 PM

I cant believe you guys are gonna carry this argument over from the other thread.
The two of you need to stop this nonsense.

He said she said is not an excuse.

FrostByte

06-15-04, 05:19 PM

What was the question?
BTW i updated the mb sound drivers thu windows update & now my SoundStorm panel is dead. Can I reinstall orig driver over the updated?

zabomb4163

06-15-04, 05:47 PM

[QUOTE=Albuquerque][b][size=4]

Envy24HT 7.1 Audio (exact same stuff in the M-Audio Revolution)
QUOTE]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-170-111&depa=0
http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Albatron_PX865PE_Pro_II_1.html

VIA VT1720 Evny24PT. not 24HT. at according to newegg and review sites. still a better chipset than most. just not an HT (best audio chipset on the market for quality in my opinion)

Azzkiller

06-15-04, 06:11 PM

I cant believe you guys are gonna carry this argument over from the other thread.
The two of you need to stop this nonsense.

He said she said is not an excuse.

I will stop :)

itim100

06-21-04, 10:50 AM

I consider my self to be an audiophile. My "crappy" headphones are $150 sony's.

I would like to offer my opinion on the onboard sound issue based on my experience with onbard sound from an ECS K7AMA, 3 Asus A7n8X deluxes, an Abit NF7-S and an original Audigy. The Asus' and the Abit use the Soundstorm onboard sound. The ECS is just pretty much an example of the crappiest sound solution you can get.

From what I have seen/heard, the ONLY solution with acceptable analog sound quality was the Audigy, due to excellent DACs. Everything else is subpar in that area, but the Soundstorms have good digital out, and the performance is decent enough. MIDI support is basically useless.

I would say, yes, the onboard sounds of late are better, (the soundstorm has acceptable analog quality for speakers and many onboard sound solutions support surround sound and often digital interfaces) but not good enough for headphone listening. I think it is simply too hard to remove noise from DACs on a humongous multipurpose motherboard. The solution is to find a standalone DAC and runn it between your digital out on the mobo and your analog device(s). Or find an audigy. You can get excellent free alternative drivers for the Audigy series, but game and midi support still is in development (they work, just not very well). Then again, most onboard sound i think is like the ECS', where if you move the mouse you can hear it through your speakers/headphones (lol). I think even the soundstorm does some of that if you turn it up enough.

I wonder what I would think of the boards that some say have uunnusually good sound quality. I certainly am not impressed by the Soundstorms, however.

Wasn't there even a motherboard that had a tube-based onboard sound solution? How did that turn out? That certainly could be seen as a step in the right direction if done right.

X86Dude

06-21-04, 01:40 PM

Wasn't there even a motherboard that had a tube-based onboard sound solution?
Yes, there was.

How did that turn out?
Crap in = crap out.
They (Aopen) used the Realtek ALC650 codec with this system...... need i say any more?

corrosion231

06-21-04, 02:35 PM

I trust x86 to know more about any of this than any of you, so im trusting him based on what he's been saying.

theELVISCERATOR

06-21-04, 05:11 PM

Im using an audigy 2 ZS, and I cant overclock cause of it, it dosent like 5:4 ratio with an fsb of 250. I fixed it once but I couldnt fix it a 2nd time. Aside from that im fed up with my mobo (abit ic7) and I am in the market for a new mobo. A friend of mine has a decent onboard sound on his new p4 board but I dont have a clue what it is. Im looking at the msi 875 mobo, but I dont know how well the audio performs.

Anyone know about this stuff?

you have lots of issues it seems with all your hw,
ic7 is one of best ocing boards ever made.
I have same board and soundcard and can run over 250 fsb 1-1 5-4 whatever.
prob your slot selection for card, try another slot with the zs and dont forget to disable any and all onboard hw you arent using.

zabomb4163

06-21-04, 11:29 PM

I trust x86 to know more about any of this than any of you, so im trusting him based on what he's been saying.

ok?