best celly to oc on a bx board

[Trainwreck]

I have a intel warm springs bx mobo in a gateway with a pII450 I was thinking of using a iwill slocket card and a cellie because there isn't any user setings in cmos this way i can force 100 fsb any suggestions on the best cellie to use as far as OCing and stability at 100 fsb the multiplier is also automatic

[The Doors]

Hi Trainwreck, wellcome to the Forum,
you can choose a celreon 800, 850 & 900 that just works with a Fsb of 100Mhz or one of the P/// with the same bus, like 700, 800 or 850Mhz, but probably you wanna a celeron with Fsb@66Mhz and OC it rising the Fsb@100Mhz, in this case the chip are all in the range between 600 to 766Mhz to prefer in the stepping revision cC0 or cD0.

I hope it helps you ;-)

[Trainwreck]

Thanks that's what i want to do is use a 66mhz and force 100mhz with the slocket card what can i expect from a 600mhz and how can i tell what its running at also will it run to hot with a retail fan? or do you suggest something else

[The Doors]

Well, my C2 600 cB0 (not the best, better cD0 or cC0) works rock stable @907Mhz, but you need absolutly of a good cooler and a very thin layer of thermal paste, you can choose a GlobalWin Fop32 (cheaper, but cool) or an Alpha Pep66 (one of the best, especially for slotket mounting).
To OC it at the desidered freq. well, if you say that your Mobo is locked on Fsb@100Mhz you must only set the voltage of the chip setting properly the jumpers on the slotket.

[funnyperson1]

do research on the internet on the best cooler to get, for a slocket itll probly be the pep66, also you want to make sure you have increment from 66-133, because you dont know for sure if your cpu can handle 100fsb, you ll have to go slowly, you cant just pop it in and expect it to run, ive seen people get past a gig with those 600s, check the cpu database on the main page, thatll give you a good idea

[Trainwreck]

don't have the option of slowly uping the fsb gateway auto detects the fsb it will run 66mhz or 100mhz the iwill slocket has a jumper to force the mobo to defult at 100mhz its all or nothing

[The Doors]

I remember that on the Asus slotket, and probably on many others, you must set what kind of chip are you using, a Cellie or a P///, but I don't know if it affect directly the Fsb settings into Bios.
are you sure that there isn't any kind of settings into Bios or Jumpers on Mobo to set the Fsb?

[Trainwreck]

yes i'm positive i have a 300 pII a 350 PII AND A 450 pIII WHEN I install them they all get auto detected and come up in bios and are unchangeable the intel bios page talks of a maint mode with adjustments but the gateway maint mode does not give me any adjustments . What would happen if I flashed the intel bios on to my gateway ??

[The Doors]

Well, a bios upgrade generally helps but not in this case, Intel's Mobo are known for no users settings.
Just to be sure take a look to the Mobo, if you're lucky you'll found a Jumper to set Autodetect or Manual, but I think that is very very difficult :-)
The other way you've is to take a P/// with Fsb@100Mhz like a 750 and forget OC.

[The Doors]

What's the code of your Mobo? I wanna take a look to the Intel manual....

[Trainwreck]

GATEWAY PART #4000446 INTEL PART #AA 719570-206
THE BOARD IS A WARM SPRINGS 440BX

[The Doors]

Uhmm, on the intel website nothing about this code,
plz can you read the string directly on the Mobo, is an alphanumeric code on a blank label, must be in the middle of the Pci slot, if I remember right, or if you cannot open your Box use Sisoft Sandra and take a look into the section called 'Mobo information'.

[Trainwreck]

wHAT IS SIS SOFT SANDRA

[The Doors]

It's a program that reports a lot of info on your system: Cpu, Mobo, Drives, network.....with informative modules, benchmarks and many others..... it's a must.
Take a look into ZDnet.com or where you prefer, it's sheraware ;-)

[Trainwreck]

ftp://download.intel.com/design/motherbd/oem/70258701.pdf
THIS THE MOBO MANUEL FOR INTEL
http://www.gateway.com/support/techdocs/references/motherboard/4w4sb0x0/4w4sb0x0.shtml
GATEWAY MOBO MANUEL

[The Doors]

take a look to this info token with the link that you gave me:

System Jumper
The system configuration jumper block (J7B1) requires a single jumper to set the configuration mode for the Setup program. This allows for all motherboard configuration to be done in Setup, including processor speed and bus frequency. Do not move this jumper with the system power on.

System Configuration Jumper Settings

Normal Mode
This mode is for normal computer booting and operations. Connect pins 1 and 2 with a jumper to enable the mode. The BIOS uses the current bus/processor frequency ratio, configuration information, and passwords to boot the computer. Access to the Setup program can be restricted using a supervisor or user password. In normal mode, the BIOS attempts an automatic recovery if the configuration information in flash memory is corrupted.

Configure Mode
This mode is for configuring the processor speed and clearing passwords. Connect pins 2 and 3 with a jumper to enable the mode. In this mode, Setup automatically executes after the POST runs, and no password is required. Setup provides the maintenance menu with options for setting the processor speed and clearing passwords . All other Setup screens are also available. Configure mode uses the default BIOS settings for booting, not the current user or supervisor settings. The default settings include the lowest bus/processor frequency ratio the processor supports. When the computer is rebooted, Setup uses the original user and supervisor settings with the exception of the options that were changed. For the configuration changes to take effect after exiting the Setup program, power down the computer, set the configuration jumper to normal mode and boot the computer. In configure mode, the BIOS attempts an automatic recovery if the configuration information in flash memory is corrupted.

And this is a picture of the jumper

[The Doors]

But here bad news:

The 4000608 motherboard does not support processors 2507072 and 2507074 or any other Coppermine processors.

This motherboard supports one Pentium II/III processor. The processor's Voltage Identification (VID) pins automatically program the voltage regulator on the motherboard to the required processor voltage. The motherboard currently supports processors that are compliant with the VRM 8.2 DC-DC Converter Design Guidelines document. This is the specification that defines DC-to-DC converters to meet the power requirements of the Intel Pentium II processor and future microprocessors.

I don't know if a Bios upgrade can help, I'm going to take a more depth view....

[Trainwreck]

http://www.ceres.dti.ne.jp/~isato/gw_mb.html
THIS IS A JAPANESE SITE BUT SCROLL DOWN ALMOST TO THE BOTTOM FIND INFO ON THE WS 440BX GATEWAY BOARD
# 4000446 DOWMLOADED SISSOFT WILL LET YOU KNOW

[Trainwreck]

yEA That's what it says but when I do it there isn't any adjustments my bios is there latest verision

[The Doors]

You say that setting the jumpers on Mobo and rebooting, you cannot insert into the 'Configure Mode' the speed of your chip setting the Fsb and the Multiplier?

This is really strange....

[The Doors]

I'm coming back from the other link that you gave me (the japanese site) it seems to supports all the flavours of P/// but not Celeron, it sounds really strange, why not Cellie, I don't understant, have similar voltages and the mobo supports Fsb@66Mhz, why they say's that aren't supported????

[The Doors]

Well, setting the Jumper J7B1 on pin 2 and 3, after the Post runs, Setup runs automatically, The maintenace menù is displayed.
and here you can configure the speed of your chip setting the fsb & the multiplier.
This is what say's the users manual token from Intel about your Mobo WS440BX, I don't know really what other say.

[Trainwreck]

don't know gateway support said up to a cellie 550 is supported another support guy said any pII or pIII, conflicting answer to same question from gateway

[The Doors]

It's my first time, never I heared of a Mobo that supports only P// & P/// and not Celerons.

Do you have a friend with a Celeron to try? for me must works!

[Trainwreck]

going to try 600 cellie anyway i think it will work thanks for your help also for the sisoft info wow alot to get to know

[The Doors]

You're wellcome Trainwreck :D

[Snarkey]

I used an Asus slocket and a cell566. Asus p2b-f board. Core through the slocket at 1.85 and I've been running @953 for 6 months with no problems. Stock cpu fan and 2 case fans, one high one low. FSB at 112-I just don't feel gutzy enough to kick the power up as I have no way of really knowing the cpu temp because of the slocket. Don't laugh. When I was testing it I just put my finger on the sink and back of the slocket. Real precision. Anyway, it works. I did take a temp probe that I use at work (A/C work) and stick it in the fins. Holds at 98f. Anyway, it's working. Hope it helps.