Celeron 766 (11,5*66) or Celeron 800 (8*100)?¿?

[Clam]

hi freaks.

i've got a challenge for you:

Celeron 766 (11,5*66) or Celeron 800 (8*100)?¿?

i've got the Asus CUBX mainboard and it works fine with 133mhz FSB although it is written out with 100mhz FSB. 140mhz FSB is too much.

my cooling-system is ok i think. my pc has got a fan in the front that blows fresh air between the two hdds into the interior, a slot fan that blows air out of the pc, a 400w power supply that works with two fans and the golden orb for my p3 coppermine @ 600mhz.

but 600mhz is too lousy and i want to overclock one of these two celerons over 1ghz.

so... which is the better one for this :mad: ?
what the hell is cC0 and cD0 and does my mainboard support this? i never heard of cC0 and cD0.

thanks ahead!

Clam

[Zuck Gou :)]

Freaks?


The 800 is much better, get it.

cC0 and cD0 are steppings. They're both good with the 800 so it doesn't really matter which one you get.

cD0 is newer so you might try for that.

[Zuck Gou :)]

Doh, and a Golden Orb is crap. Go get a better heatsink before you overclock.

[Mr B]

Go with the 800. The multiplier on the 766 is way, way too high to overclock with ANY chance at success.

[Clam]

ok guys.

thanks a lot. i'll try to run the celeron 800mhz step by step up to 1068 (8*133mhz). that shoult be the top of my dreams.

my ram or my mainboard doesn't want to run fine with 140mhz FSB.... but i think 133mhz FSB is enough for mainboard and ram that shoult go with 100mhz FSB :)

stay tuning,

Clam

[TUK101]

I bought the celeron 800 with 100fsb, and it is an awesome chip, and OC's really well. I as well had the golden orb and it is junk for OC'ing. It worked great on my 500 celeron, but on the 800 it just didn't cut it. I am waiting to recieve my new heatsink and fan that I bought through a link in the cooling section for 20 bucks. I would suggest that you try to find the link and order a good hsf as well.

[TUK101]

Originally posted by TUK101
I bought the celeron 800 with 100fsb, and it is an awesome chip, and OC's really well. I as well had the golden orb and it is junk for OC'ing. It worked great on my 500 celeron, but on the 800 it just didn't cut it. I am waiting to recieve my new heatsink and fan that I bought through a link in the cooling section for 20 bucks. I would suggest that you try to find the link and order a good hsf as well. Also, check out my query that I asked just that question on cco, and cdo. It is just above this one.

[Clam]

that are bad news :(
but i also have some good news :)

soon i will have arround 300$ to spend on.

so... new question: what would you do with 300$?

1) buy the celeron2 766 (11,5*66mhz) and a watercooling-system like this (http://www.pc-cooling.de/senfu/se005.htm its an offer from a german company) and try to :mad: the celeron to 1ghz, 1,15ghz or 1,44ghz or something in this region? i think this watercooling system is build for future that means that i can use this for p4 or whatever will come.

2)buy the celeron2 800 (8*100mhz), a new heatsink, try to :mad: the celeron to 1ghz and spend the rest of the money on.... whatever... girls?

3)buy a new mainboars and a amd thunderbird with 1ghz? but then this have to work with my golden orb!

so. remember that i've "just" 128mb ram and a geforce(1) videocard!

[The Overclocker]

freaks? oh, you have a point, er... what was that golden orb thing you said?

[Clam]

the golden orb is a heatsink from thermaltake...

i think it is a pretty good one but it seems to me that there are guys out there who've not the same opinion as me...

here is a picture of it: http://www.crazydave.com/images/productCoolerSocket7p1.gif

Clam

[theflyingrat]

The Golden Orb was a pretty decent cooler for the K6-2/PPGA Celeron and even lower Cellies and PIIIs, but it lacks the ability to move air that many newer coolers has. It also lacks the mass in metal to absorb a lot of heat that faster CPUs put out.

It's not like you're going to need water cooling for any Celeron - sure, it would be nice to keep the temps to a minimum, but newer Celerons just don't get that hot - around 30C idle and maybe 40 at full load, if you're being REALLY mean to it and feeding it like 2 volts or something. I'm not going to attempt to talk you out of it, though, since it would be crazy fun to play with, but it does take a lot of time, sometimes a lot of money, and careful attention to detail - fixing leaks, getting all the air out of the lines, etc. If you're mechanically adpet, go for it! And it is a good point that you could transfer it to a faster system when you want to do this! :)

For $20, a GlobalWin WBK38 can be had - sure it sounds like a lawnmower, but they are very, very effective, especially considering their price. The only real drawbacks to these that i've found are the classic GlobalWin finger-killer heat sink clips (for your own sake, use a screwdriver!) and the Delta black-label airplane motor finger-grinding 38CFM fan. Don't forget the Arctic Silver!

[Zuck Gou :)]

I think the biggest problem with the GORB is that it has no metal on the middle right on top of the core. They place the fan there. The core is obviously the hottest part so it needs copper or alum to take the heat.

[Clam]

ok. lets summarize what i've learnt:

1) golden orb was once a glory knight but now you it only is fine to keep cool the flexes. => a new one has to be sign up

2) watercooling is something for patient mechanical talented freaks that are addicted to fumble and have enough time and nerves(hope this list is correctly translated from my mind). well.... just say something for me.

but is it able to cool down a celeron that burns like hellfire?

means...

766mhz (11,5*66mhz)
866mhz (11,5*75mhz)
966mhz (11,5*83,3mhz)
1150mhz (11,5*100mhz)
1266mhz (11,5*110mhz)
1380mhz (11,5*120mhz)
1426mhz (11,5*124mhz)
1530mhz (11,5*133mhz)
(there are even steps for the FSB among them)

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

or what shall i do with this circa 300$??

i need an investment adviser :D

Clam

[Mr B]

Ok, here's how to spend $300....

1) Get the C800. Honestly, the mulitplier on that 766 will haunt you. Pretty much guarranteed NOT to overclock well. Seriously. Other than that, go for a 566, 600 or 633. The 667 thru 766 just have far too high a multiplier to work with.

2) Take the Gorb, and throw it as far away from your PC as you can. Again, seriously. These things work ok, as long as you are NOT going to overclock your rig. You intend to. Don't use a Gorb. There's not enough metal to carry away the heat. Don't even DREAM of trying to mount a Gorb on an AMD chip. It'll burn up in a very short time. If you're mounting the Celeron in a slotket, and using a slot 1 mobo, put it into a Soltek SL02A++, Iwill II, Asus II or MSI Master 2.0 slotket (avoid the Abit !!!, as they have a reputation for stability issues), and get an Alpha PEP66T for a heatsink/fan. This unit is designed for slotket applications, and I have one running on a P/// 700E right now. I never hit 40C running this hsf.

I had this heatsink on my Celeron 600 a while ago (before I got the P///) It replaced a Gorb. Just by replacing the Gorb w/ the PEP66T, I dropped 8C off of my cpu temp at idle , a bit more than that under load , rarely hit 38C (if ever), and was able to overclock the chip 4 FSB faster (I went from C600 @ 1008, to 1053MHz).

Just by changing from a Gorb to the Alpha. Nothing else was changed.

If you've got a s370 mobo instead of a slot 1, go for one of the GlobalWin FOP series. Good stuff, these...

Ok, there's about $125 or so gone of your inital $300. Spend the next $100 to 125.00 on either a GeForce 2 MX400 or Raedon with 64MB onboard. (CompUSA has them both for $129 right now... you might find one on sale or with rebate cheaper, too.

BestBuy has had 128MB PC133 sticks for $30, with a $10 rebate for the last month. Get one. This'll kick you up to 256MB, which is perfect.

Hope this makes sense of what you were asking initally. Get good quality stuff the first time around, and you won't be dissappointed trying to get inferior components to work the way you want them to.

Good luck!!

Mr B

[Clam]

ok...
i try to make a list with all thinks. it will be in DM (german marks) because i'm from germany and ... yeah... i'm idle :)
budget:620DM

alpha PAL 6035 MFC (high speed) 79DM (89DM) (slocket 370 mainboard)
celeron 800 (8*100mhz) 169,90DM
256mb ram (infineon) 99,90DM

so that will make 348,80DM (358,80DM)
that will leave me with 271,20DM for delivery costs (i think this is going to be arround 50DM... very expensive in germany)

then next month i will get to this 220DM circa 300DM and so i will have enough money for a good videocard.

i've bought the ASUS V6600 DDR Deluxe and it was broken. i still wait and hope that i will get a new one... therefor i don't want to buy a new one and the old one wasn't used, yet.

but there is still one question: will my old 128mb ram (pc100) work with the 256mb (pc133)?? i'm not really sure about that but i think so.

Clam

[Mad Butter]

You think you can only get it to a gig. Who fooled you. A gig is your dream?? Try 1,200 easily. I have the best heatsink and fan out there which is the sk-6 heat sink and the delta fan option. If you dont mind noise get that fan, i got my 800 celeron up to 1,300 and i am still going. i can go higher i just want to let the system burn in for a month or so.


-evan.


if you have any questions, e-mail me at greenwalk50@hotmail.com

[ChadP]

As they said, the 800 is _much_ better... with a cD0 you should be able to get 1066. Intel only sells cD0 1100's so the stepping change is important.

A 766 would oc to 1150@100mhz FSB which is way to shaky, even with a cD0. And even if you could 800@1066 is going to be faster anyway.