how could u guys have 5+ rigs? what do u guys do w/ it?

[LandShark]

what do u guys do w/ all those toys u've listed??? especially TC & Chawken. u guys have more PC than some small company!! and most, if not all, of them ain't slow too!!

are those all urs? or at work? personal usage? just very curious.:D

i personally also have 3 machine at home. 2 r mine, and the PIII i built for my nephew and using it to crunch SETI too :D i thought 3 at home already, at least, average if not slightly above. but couldn't compare w/ u guys' "farm".

only wish i could have that much toys to play w/.........:D

[TC]

I run Seti on them - what else would you do with a computer :D Yes they're all mine at home, but I really don't use all of them for Seti. Some are just sitting around collecting dust, but once in a while I turn them on - mostly in the winter when cooling costs are down. Right now I'm only running the GHz+ systems in my signature, and my power bill is approaching $400. I'm actually thinking of selling the large servers. They just aren't practical anymore, unless you're using them in a real server role. The quad xeon is already sold.

As for having fun playing with them - when they're all overclocked you spend your spare time checking on them to see if they're running okay. I wouldn't call it fun anymore.

[BiLLyXkiNG]

Dude, most schools don't have those kinds of servers! Do you have a job?? What do you do??? You should start running a computer shop, TC HARDWARE. Not a bad idea. 400 a month for electric. I run my computer, my parents p200, and now that I broke my foot I can't run my 486 more anymore (steps and crutches don't mix lol) and my family runs TV's all the time and we always leave lights on all the time, we have 2 refrigeraters, central air, and our electric is sub$175. I can just imagine.

[chawken]

Originally posted by TC
I run Seti on them - what else would you do with a computer :D Yes they're all mine at home, but I really don't use all of them for Seti. Some are just sitting around collecting dust, but once in a while I turn them on - mostly in the winter when cooling costs are down. Right now I'm only running the GHz+ systems in my signature, and my power bill is approaching $400. I'm actually thinking of selling the large servers. They just aren't practical anymore, unless you're using them in a real server role. The quad xeon is already sold.

As for having fun playing with them - when they're all overclocked you spend your spare time checking on them to see if they're running okay. I wouldn't call it fun anymore.

I am also only running my machines that are GHz+. I have a collection that I don't have listed in my sig. As far as my power bill, I have 4 at home, and I took the rest to work with me. Even with the 4, the power bill is 350.00 - 400.00 (I live in the desert so a major portion of the bill is the A/C.)

But Tim, you can't call it fun?, checking on the rigs, making sure that your o/c is stable and sqeezing a little more out of them. I love that part - sqeezing a little more until it breaks, then backing off just enough that they run stable.

All my machines listed, also run Seti 24/7. Some are primary working computers, some are data storage machines - as backup to my primaries - but everything runs Seti.

[zoopa_man]

Hehehe My house is Quake 3 Arena central. Every time me and all my college buddies get bored we head over to my house for some killing. We also play some other network games but Q3 is our fav. All the other times the systems are used by my family for surfing the net, emai, chat, what ever they want. Also gives me some systems to practice my networking skills on :) Oh, we have four systems in our house.

[toomnymods]

I'm slowly approaching "mini Seti Farm" size, hehe ordered my 2 1.2 "MP" Palamino chips today from new egg should be here fri.. Cant wait to slap those guys in my new boxes I'm building.. Still need couple more things to complete the box but one should be running this weekend if all goes well.. :p So that will bump me up to 4 24/7 seti crunchers and 1 30-40% seti cruncher (my G/f's computer the Asus a7v133 W/pc133) All my systems are gonna be the Epox 8K7A's or the 8K7A+'s i don't have to worry about electricity, ROFLMWAO!! :D :p Uncle Sam is paying for that.. Just one more way for me to get what I think I should really be getting paid for 6 1/2 years of faithful service, lol After these two are completed I might get me a 1.4 ghz laptop.. Never know when you might have to go on a deployment :( :( 6 months at sea would kill me without a computer to play Diablo 2 and quake 3 etc..


Crunch ON!!!!

[TC]

Originally posted by BiLLyXkiNG
Dude, most schools don't have those kinds of servers! Do you have a job?? What do you do??? You should start running a computer shop, TC HARDWARE. Not a bad idea. 400 a month for electric. I run my computer, my parents p200, and now that I broke my foot I can't run my 486 more anymore (steps and crutches don't mix lol) and my family runs TV's all the time and we always leave lights on all the time, we have 2 refrigeraters, central air, and our electric is sub$175. I can just imagine.

Actually right now I don't have a job other than what I do on my own. I do sort of have a computer shop. Electricity has always been high down here. Last summer I lived in a one bedroom apartment, only had three computers, and my power bill was close to $300 a month then. I really expected our bill to be higher than it is now that we're in a house. I guess power has always been more expensive where I live. Summers are usually pretty brutal with temps sometimes well over 100 and humidity never below 70%. Cooling costs have always been high. This past winter our bill was less than $200, so the juice must be going to the AC now.

[chawken]

Originally posted by TC


Actually right now I don't have a job other than what I do on my own. I do sort of have a computer shop. Electricity has always been high down here. Last summer I lived in a one bedroom apartment, only had three computers, and my power bill was close to $300 a month then. I really expected our bill to be higher than it is now that we're in a house. I guess power has always been more expensive where I live. Summers are usually pretty brutal with temps sometimes well over 100 and humidity never below 70%. Cooling costs have always been high. This past winter our bill was less than $200, so the juice must be going to the AC now.

Your A/C is probably the cause. Our winter bills averaged about 60.00 per month - but the last couple of summer bills have been over 300.00. I complained a lot about So. Cal. Edison electric rates - but it seems as if yours are worse than ours. I live in the desert, so don't have much choice about running the A/C. What a killer.

[TC]

I figured people in California would be paying more with the energy shortage, but evidently not. Our house is just an average sized two-story brick. The air systems are split, one for up one for down. I used to have all of my computers upstairs and the AC up there was literally running all day long. I finally moved most of them to the basement where it stays cool during the summer. I think that alone cut $50 off our bill.

[BiLLyXkiNG]

My dad is the most frugal man in the world...and if we ever had an electric bill that high, we'd light candles for the rest of the year.

[TC]

I'm sure our bill would still be close to $300 if I wasn't running any computers. I can't do without AC. It's so nasty here that the second you walk outside your glasses fog up and you feel like you've been sitting in the bathroom with the hot water running for an hour. Some days I change clothes around lunch time just to get something dry on.

[BiLLyXkiNG]

Here in PA we get off and on temperatures...sometimes in the summer we get cold fronts from Canada when you have to turn the A/C off and rap yourself in an aphgan. The next night it'll be 95 degrees w/ 98% humidity. Here we actually need half decent meteorologists.

[[Oc]acaridans]

Ive noticed something in this thread...
in my apt I have 4 computers running 24/7, 2 workstations, game server, FTP server. With several deticated seti box's on the way..hehe :rolleyes:
(I gave my 5th to my mom when I moved out, but its still running seti 24/7)

Now I live just outside Boston MA on the 3rd floor and have run the A/C quite often this year...and my electric bill is still under $70 before the extra computers it was around $50...SO what is up with the electric prices?? I realize the west coast is more expensive but is it really that much or does everyone live in houses??

[TC]

Originally posted by [Oc]acaridans
SO what is up with the electric prices?? I realize the west coast is more expensive but is it really that much or does everyone live in houses??

Well I guess the cost per kw is just higher in some places. I don't have a bill handy or I would look and we could do a survey :) In my apartment I was on the top floor and my windows faced west. The insulation in the attic was minimal. The patio was concrete and tended to hold the heat picked up during the day. I never did put a curtain on the picture window, or whatever you call that half round thing - and that let the afternoon sun hit the black tile in the kitchen. Combine all of that with an undersized AC unit and it just ran all the time to keep the rooms at 75. Now we're in a house which is fairly well insulated, but it just costs a lot to cool 3000 sq feet when it's 95+ outside.

[[Oc]acaridans]

Well just dug out my bill

last month I used 372 KWH that cost me 61.14
that is 4 24/7 crunchers and the A/C, fridge and what ever lights the girl forgets to turn off. This is what the rates look like

[SleepyKat]

hmmm... I shut down just one of my computers last month and my electricity bill dropped about $50..... I would hate to see what it would be if I actually fired up all the boxes I have laying around.

[TC]

I used a few more kwh's than you, not that I'm bragging - wish I had your bill :)

http://www.digi-source.com/images/bill.jpg

[Jon]

1 dually P2 350 on Maxtium BXAD
1 VP6 w/twin P3 1GHz@1.13 (actually have the other 1GHz on the way)
1 DV6AA w/twin P3 700s
1 EPoX 8K7A+ w/1.4 @ 1.67 (gonna do more with some PC2700)
1 Soyo 7VCA P3 1GHz @ 1.13
1 Tyan Tsunami w/Celly 2 600
Compaq w/P2 350
NEC V133 w/P133

I like playin musical parts with these things the most but normally they just run SETI and I'll play DoD occasionally on my main rig or try some of the cool networking crap M$ throws out since I get all the development beta releases.

If something or anything can be done with them I'll get to it eventually...never get bored having them all humming along though.

[toomnymods]

Damn!! Tc... That's a crap load of KW hours.. The SeTI God's must be very hungry :eek: lol
Thank god "Uncle Sam" is paying for mine,lol About the only benefit of living in the barracks.. :p

Crunch On!!!!

[TC]

Originally posted by toomnymods
Damn!! Tc... That's a crap load of KW hours.. The SeTI God's must be very hungry :eek: lol
Thank god "Uncle Sam" is paying for mine,lol About the only benefit of living in the barracks.. :p

Crunch On!!!!

Time for my own power plant you think?

[luckywhitepaw]

Originally posted by TC


Actually right now I don't have a job other than what I do on my own. I do sort of have a computer shop. Electricity has always been high down here. Last summer I lived in a one bedroom apartment, only had three computers, and my power bill was close to $300 a month then. I really expected our bill to be higher than it is now that we're in a house. I guess power has always been more expensive where I live. Summers are usually pretty brutal with temps sometimes well over 100 and humidity never below 70%. Cooling costs have always been high. This past winter our bill was less than $200, so the juice must be going to the AC now.
Hey TC I can give you advice on how to lower your electricbill, I am a sertified H.V.A.C.R. Tech. Give me your a/c configuration and well will take it from there. I plan on cooling my cpu with a/c, I just have to calculate how many b.t.u.s my compressor will need for my system.:D

[ManOfKnight]

Originally posted by TC
I used a few more kwh's than you, not that I'm bragging - wish I had your bill :)

http://www.digi-source.com/images/bill.jpg

GEORGIA POWER!!!!...there is ur problem...man they messed me over left and right when i lived in Valdosta. I HATED paying 250 a month to cool my apartment and the temps in the apartment stayed around 80 during the summer....HOT HOT HOT, and all GP did was raise rates in the summer to make it worse

[chawken]

Originally posted by TC
I used a few more kwh's than you, not that I'm bragging - wish I had your bill :)

http://www.digi-source.com/images/bill.jpg


Boy, looking at your power bill - kw usage, my bill has you beat. In the month of July my power usage was 1758kw, and my bill was 358.00. Your usage was double mine for 7bucks less.
As a So. Cal Edison customer - we're paying about 20 cents a kilowatt.

[BiLLyXkiNG]

PA is only 7 cents a kilowatthour

[chawken]

Originally posted by BiLLyXkiNG
PA is only 7 cents a kilowatthour

Unfortunately we have a moron for a governor. He has us locked into long term contracts for power, at inflated prices - plus, his Public Utilities Commission is allowing rate increases to bail So.Cal.Edison out of bankruptcy. We end up paying twice - once through taxes, and once in inflated electric rates. These jerks at So.Cal.Edison want another 40% rate increase, so as they won't have to file for bankruptcy.

[BiLLyXkiNG]

here utilities and government must not conflict , there is some curruption but barely any. I guess that is why this part of the country's population is rapidly growing.

[TC]

Originally posted by luckywhitepaw

Hey TC I can give you advice on how to lower your electricbill, I am a sertified H.V.A.C.R. Tech. Give me your a/c configuration and well will take it from there. I plan on cooling my cpu with a/c, I just have to calculate how many b.t.u.s my compressor will need for my system.:D

What did you have in mind? I've got guages for 134a, but not R12, nor could I get that anyway.

[luckywhitepaw]

I'm not a very good overclocker yet, but as an a/c guy (as many people call me) I am an Ace. I will need the stats of your living enviroment, things like sq. ft. of your home what type of home(brick, wood) is it on bricks or a foundation. Also thou it is hard to believe, how well insulated your home is, from the walls, windows(how many and what type)and most important, the attic. Is the attic well ventillated?Is it well insullated? Most likely you are running an R-22 system that has the condensing unit seperated from the airhandler and Evaporator coil. Give me the brand and the model #s of the Condensing unit, Evaporator coil, and heater/airhandler(is it gas or electric?)With this info I can start doing my homework and give you an answer. Yet you are right, Electic companies have different rates but hey you can bring the usage down just like you can o.c. a computer. Oh a tip, back in 1993 I went to an Electric Company's seminar in Houston and the Techs there claimed that if you set your T-stat below 75F, for every degree below 75F, your light bill will increase by 15 %. So keep your T-stat no lower than 75F, people have a misconseption that the lower the T-stat is the cooler, wrong. You can even damage a system if the stat is lower than 60F, you flood the evap. coil and eventually kill your compressor.:eek:

[chawken]

Originally posted by BiLLyXkiNG
here utilities and government must not conflict , there is some curruption but barely any. I guess that is why this part of the country's population is rapidly growing.

Corruption - the head of the California Public Utilities Commission has large holdings in the Utility companies - as does other members of the PUC. Now, how the hell does the consumer get a fair shake if the PUC approves rate increases. Big conflict of interest. The worse part of this is, So.Cal.Edison claims to be bankrupt - but in Jan 2001 they transfered 3 billion dollars to their parent company, Edison International. A month later they started defaulting on the bills, stating they were broke.
This is off subject, but if the California government didn't have their heads up their rear orifice I could afford more machines running at home - More machines, more WU's to the team, faster path to number 1.

[TC]

Originally posted by luckywhitepaw
I'm not a very good overclocker yet, but as an a/c guy (as many people call me) I am an Ace. I will need the stats of your living enviroment, things like sq. ft. of your home what type of home(brick, wood) is it on bricks or a foundation. Also thou it is hard to believe, how well insulated your home is, from the walls, windows(how many and what type)and most important, the attic. Is the attic well ventillated?Is it well insullated? Most likely you are running an R-22 system that has the condensing unit seperated from the airhandler and Evaporator coil. Give me the brand and the model #s of the Condensing unit, Evaporator coil, and heater/airhandler(is it gas or electric?)With this info I can start doing my homework and give you an answer.

Well lets see, house is approx 3110 sq ft, exterior is all brick, sits on a poured concrete basement, quite a few large windows that are double pane, r19 in the walls, r30 in the attic with three large power ventilators set to turn on at 105, the air system is lennox elite #g24m, can't get to the coils without tearing all the foil tape off, the heat is gas, the 2 condensers are approx 30 feet from the evap in the basement for the downstairs air, and the other is maybe 35 feet from the evap in the attic for the upstairs air, both have digital thermostats, I'd go look at the condensers but it's pouring rain so if you need that I'll do it later. That’s about all I can think of now. Here’s a pic if that helps any. Oh, we set the temp to 74 during the day downstairs, and 71 at night. Upstairs stays at 75 all the time.

http://www.digi-source.com/images/house.jpg

[luckywhitepaw]

Originally posted by TC


Well lets see, house is approx 3110 sq ft, exterior is all brick, sits on a poured concrete basement, quite a few large windows that are double pane, r19 in the walls, r30 in the attic with three large power ventilators set to turn on at 105, the air system is lennox elite #g24m, can't get to the coils without tearing all the foil tape off, the heat is gas, the 2 condensers are approx 30 feet from the evap in the basement for the downstairs air, and the other is maybe 35 feet from the evap in the attic for the upstairs air, both have digital thermostats, I'd go look at the condensers but it's pouring rain so if you need that I'll do it later. That’s about all I can think of now. Here’s a pic if that helps any. Oh, we set the temp to 74 during the day downstairs, and 71 at night. Upstairs stays at 75 all the time.

http://www.digi-source.com/images/house.jpg
Well from the info. you gave me I can say that your home is verywell insullated and the concrete foundation is exellent. If your units were sized according to the sq.ft. then I would say that you have a combined tonage between 7 and 8 tons of cooling. The good thing is that you have 2 systems, that allows for better zonning. Are the T-stats progarmable? If they are then set them to your schedule. Example:set your T-stat that controles your bedrooms to 78F when you are asleep, 73F right before you wake up, and 80F when you are not home,also set it to 72F right before you come home.Now set the other T-stat at 80F at night and around 75F during the day. Both systems actually work together at getting the heatload out of your zones. A tip I learned from an old A/C Tech was to insulate between the 2x4s on your roof in the attic, this lowers the heatload in your attic which will lower your overall load. To keep the insulation in place, tack the insulation to the 2x4s and then put wiremesh over it. I know it sounds like work but it really works, it did for me. Also change your air-fillters once a month year-round, rinse-off your outdoor condensing coils once a month through-out the summer(make sure you kill the power first) Take a temp. drop across your evap. coils (Delta-Ts). To do this put a temp. probe before the evap. and record the reading then take a temp. after the evap. coil. The temp. drop is called your Delta-T, it should be between 17 degrees and 22 degrees if it is over 22 degrees then you have poor air-flow(collapsed return air duct, stopped up filters, or a dirty evap. coil. Do this and see what happens, a/c systems are like a combination lock just got to play with it to get the most out of it. Let me know how it goes and yeah give me the model #s of your units when you can o.k.:cool:

[luckywhitepaw]

Originally posted by chawken


Corruption - the head of the California Public Utilities Commission has large holdings in the Utility companies - as does other members of the PUC. Now, how the hell does the consumer get a fair shake if the PUC approves rate increases. Big conflict of interest. The worse part of this is, So.Cal.Edison claims to be bankrupt - but in Jan 2001 they transfered 3 billion dollars to their parent company, Edison International. A month later they started defaulting on the bills, stating they were broke.
This is off subject, but if the California government didn't have their heads up their rear orifice I could afford more machines running at home - More machines, more WU's to the team, faster path to number 1.
You got that right, If Tesla would have been allowed to finish his work we would have free world-wide wireless power. It was the Big Wigs that funded him that pulled the plug on him. We need someone to finish what that Unitarian started. Oh by the way I was watching the news the other day(rare to watch T.V.) and Pres. Foxx from Mexico was drawing up a deal with Inbreed George Bush about selling Mexican powersupplies to CA. talk about having their heads where the sun don't shine:rolleyes:

[TC]

Well it quit raining so I went out and took a look. There are two identical condensing units - Lennox 10ACB36-11P says on the label they take a 5 pound charge of r22. I took your advice and checked the delta over the evap and im getting about 20 degrees. I have to rinse the condensing units off fairly often because they're right next to the fence, and the dogs have pounded the ground into dust which gets sucked in all the time. I use 3m filtrete filters on both units and they get changed about once every two months. The thermostats are programmable for up to 4 different programs per day. Only thing I couldn't do is run the ac up to 78 at night - my fiance complains about it being hot as it is, and we run the cieling fan on high too. Can't fix everything :rolleyes:

[luckywhitepaw]

Acording to the #s you gave me it tells me that you have 2 3 ton condensing units now as for the evap. coils I can only guess that you either have 2 3 ton evaps. giving you a total of 6 total tons of air or you could have 2 4 ton evaps. (you can over size the evap. in a system to a aquire a 3.5 ton system) giving you 7 tons of air. Both would be good tonages. Try insulating between the rafters of your roof in your attic. As far as at night, well we can't win them all but try a differrent combo. throughout the day and compare your results. I can understand living in a humid enviroment, I lived in Houston, Tx. before and boy was it humid. As soon as I move to my new house I will be installing a system that would utilize my computer system or systems net. Also it will have a custom water sprayer that will be activated when the condensing unit turns on and the outdoor ambient temp. is above 90degrees. The sprayer would be filtterd, it will spray water on the cond. coils. Thus making it more efficient or as we say get a higher S.E.E.R. #.:cool:

[TC]

Well thanks for the suggestions. What exactly does the tonnage number mean as far as BTU's? I thought I once heard it originated from an old test that indicated the amount of energy required to melt a ton of ice in a 24hr period, but that sounded kind of odd.

[Basher]

very nice house!!!!!!:)

[TC]

Originally posted by Basher
very nice house!!!!!!:)

Thanks, we like it here. :)

[luckywhitepaw]

Originally posted by TC
Well thanks for the suggestions. What exactly does the tonnage number mean as far as BTU's? I thought I once heard it originated from an old test that indicated the amount of energy required to melt a ton of ice in a 24hr period, but that sounded kind of odd.
That is correct as far as what a ton is in relation to the cooling system, I know the formula for this equation is older than the Flintstones but it works.One ton is equal to 1200B.T.U.s and by the way that is a very nice house you have. How is the humidity level in the basement durring the day and how many systems are running at the time.:)

[TC]

Originally posted by luckywhitepaw

That is correct as far as what a ton is in relation to the cooling system, I know the formula for this equation is older than the Flintstones but it works.

The humidity in the basement is around 45% right now, and there are presently 9 systems running down there. We have a bit of a problem with moisture since we're on a hill. The builder dug a ditch around the outside of the basement walls that face uphill, filled it with stone and put in drain pipe. That seems to do a good job of catching the water runoff before it hits the slab, but there's still a LOT of moisture in the crawl space. We're probably going to put power ventilators down there.

Anyway I'm surprised I remembered that definition. After my dad quit flying he worked for Canadian Ice and Machine building skating rinks and other cooling related projects. He tried to pass along some of that stuff when I was younger, but I wasn't really interested. I got back into it about a year ago and built my own 134a cooling system to chill water that I was in turn cooling a peltier with. It was an extreme setup to say the least, but it worked great.

[luckywhitepaw]

Originally posted by TC


The humidity in the basement is around 45% right now, and there are presently 9 systems running down there. We have a bit of a problem with moisture since we're on a hill. The builder dug a ditch around the outside of the basement walls that face uphill, filled it with stone and put in drain pipe. That seems to do a good job of catching the water runoff before it hits the slab, but there's still a LOT of moisture in the crawl space. We're probably going to put power ventilators down there.

Anyway I'm surprised I remembered that definition. After my dad quit flying he worked for Canadian Ice and Machine building skating rinks and other cooling related projects. He tried to pass along some of that stuff when I was younger, but I wasn't really interested. I got back into it about a year ago and built my own 134a cooling system to chill water that I was in turn cooling a peltier with. It was an extreme setup to say the least, but it worked great.
Sorry about the type-o, 1 ton is equal to 12,000 B.T.U.s so your running 2 36,000 B.T.U.s which is good unless you have a lot of dead space in your house(like vaulted ceilings, ect.) Moisture is your computers worst enemy along with the heat it generates. Basements tend to be humid and if gone untreated, moldy. An a/c works by not cooling the area but by removing heat and humidity. If there is no supply and return air to your basement we have problems, ventilators will help the heat factor but we still have the humidity to deal with and that alone is a comp. killer. They make a portible a/c unit that you can roll around to cool comp. rooms, N.A.S.A uses them alot. Even a cheap window unit would help your basebent remove the humidity. Remember the condinsation that the evap.coil makes is really the humidity it removes from the air. By the way that water is cleaner than the water we drink but I would not advise it for it sits in the drain pan growing algee, plants grow faster and bigger with that water.
I looked at set-ups with a peltier and an a/c on the c.p.u., the thing with this is that you can't cycle the system because every time you satisfy the stat, the c.p.u. will build a large heat load quickly which is not good to flux. the temp so you have to run a hot by-pass line in the system. Tell me more about your 134a system and is it still running?

[TC]

There is no heat or cooling in the basement, but the humidity down there is lower than upstairs right now. Last check it was 60% upstairs. It's pretty hard to keep it down in the summer when it's 90% outside. I have a dehumidifier in the basement, but it doesn't seem to run very often, so I guess that's good. Last winter it was about 20% upstairs and down.

The water chiller still runs, but I'm not using it. I got around the hot bypass by using a timer on the compressor. By using a large resovoir of coolant I was able to incorporate some compensation. At the time I was only using a coppermine 600 chip, with a 72 watt tec. The loads were very light, and the compressor could remain off for 15 minutes before the cpu temp began to rise more than a few degrees. A friend of mine built a circuit that monitored the temp of the hot plate, and as the coolant warmed up the voltage to the tec was increased slightly to compensate. When the compressor cycled back on the voltage was decreased. This kept the cpu within a 5 degree temp range. Here are a couple pics from the testing stage. That was a pretty good overclock for an old Pentium 2.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jskinlaw/cooler.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~jskinlaw/screen.jpg

[luckywhitepaw]

Originally posted by TC
There is no heat or cooling in the basement, but the humidity down there is lower than upstairs right now. Last check it was 60% upstairs. It's pretty hard to keep it down in the summer when it's 90% outside. I have a dehumidifier in the basement, but it doesn't seem to run very often, so I guess that's good. Last winter it was about 20% upstairs and down.

The water chiller still runs, but I'm not using it. I got around the hot bypass by using a timer on the compressor. By using a large resovoir of coolant I was able to incorporate some compensation. At the time I was only using a coppermine 600 chip, with a 72 watt tec. The loads were very light, and the compressor could remain off for 15 minutes before the cpu temp began to rise more than a few degrees. A friend of mine built a circuit that monitored the temp of the hot plate, and as the coolant warmed up the voltage to the tec was increased slightly to compensate. When the compressor cycled back on the voltage was decreased. This kept the cpu within a 5 degree temp range. Here are a couple pics from the testing stage. That was a pretty good overclock for an old Pentium 2.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jskinlaw/cooler.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~jskinlaw/screen.jpg
That is an exellent cooling set-up, why did stop using it and not incorporated in a larger scale to cool you S.E.T.I. farm. Are you using more convinient cooling system now?:)

[TC]

Overclocking is so much easier now that you really don't need extreme cooling methods. It would take a lot of effort to build custom cooling setups for nearly a dozen computers. Condensation is also a problem when you're talking about tempertures of almost -100 degrees.

[luckywhitepaw]

Originally posted by TC
Overclocking is so much easier now that you really don't need extreme cooling methods. It would take a lot of effort to build custom cooling setups for nearly a dozen computers. Condensation is also a problem when you're talking about tempertures of almost -100 degrees.
What are you using for cooling now?

[TC]

Originally posted by luckywhitepaw

What are you using for cooling now?

Normal HSF - Alpha's and some Thermalright SK6.

[luckywhitepaw]

Well as for me I have the stock set-up of a heatsink/duct and single exhaust fan and the Sandra prog. says my mobo is 495F. Do you think this is right?

[TC]

Originally posted by luckywhitepaw
Well as for me I have the stock set-up of a heatsink/duct and single exhaust fan and the Sandra prog. says my mobo is 495F. Do you think this is right?

That's a hair on the high side :D Are you sure your case isn't a self cleaning oven ;)

[M@€$†®Ö™]

All I gotta say is I wish I could afford electric bills like that :) Nice house TC :)

Maestro

[M@€$†®Ö™]

Originally posted by TC


That's a hair on the high side :D Are you sure your case isn't a self cleaning oven ;)

Just spray Easy Off and you are Set :) LMAO !


Maestro

[Coolio]

lol bake cookies in your computer:p

[TC]

Originally posted by Maestro


Just spray Easy Off and you are Set :) LMAO !


Maestro

I suggest adding Pam for the grill to your set of maintenance tools :D

[luckywhitepaw]

Originally posted by TC


I suggest adding Pam for the grill to your set of maintenance tools :D
Yeah, a friend of mine asked if I had my system on the self-clean mode when I told him the temp. It can't be right or my C.P.U. and other chips would have turned to sand, as a matter of fact my C.P.U. temp. is between 89.6F-105.8F. I have also lost faith and no longer believe in hewlett packard ( notice no caps.), for some reason they wish not to disclose the correct info. on my system. For example: hp claims I have an Asus mobo but the Sandra prog. says different. Right about now the both show little help or different views. Now I know why so many overclockers spite the big companies, well any ideas? I believe the mobo is an hp board, I tried looking for clues like you had told me around my c.p.u. but found no info. help:(

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Damn I want some ! Goes to get cookies ! Crunch Crunch this WU is a bit tough on the teeth. :D

Maestro

[TC]

Originally posted by luckywhitepaw

Yeah, a friend of mine asked if I had my system on the self-clean mode when I told him the temp. It can't be right or my C.P.U. and other chips would have turned to sand, as a matter of fact my C.P.U. temp. is between 89.6F-105.8F. I have also lost faith and no longer believe in hewlett packard ( notice no caps.), for some reason they wish not to disclose the correct info. on my system. For example: hp claims I have an Asus mobo but the Sandra prog. says different. Right about now the both show little help or different views. Now I know why so many overclockers spite the big companies, well any ideas? I believe the mobo is an hp board, I tried looking for clues like you had told me around my c.p.u. but found no info. help:(

It may be manufactured by Asus, but it probably won't be exactly like one of their models you could buy over the counter. Oem stuff is usually customized in certain ways, so I doubt sandra or mbm and similar utilities will work properly with it.

[luckywhitepaw]

Originally posted by TC


It may be manufactured by Asus, but it probably won't be exactly like one of their models you could buy over the counter. Oem stuff is usually customized in certain ways, so I doubt sandra or mbm and similar utilities will work properly with it.
Can my system be salvaged, I hate that word let me rephrase myself. What can I do with my system without changing the mobo in order to preform like a real computer instead of a corporate rip-off? If the mobo must be changed then what is the best and only the best mobo on the market for my P4, should I go ahead and dual the c.p.u. while I'm at it? I don't mean to make you feel like a dictionary but I'm new at o.c. and I need info. from someone who knows about this, kind of like I know H.V.A.C.R. Ever since I started Crunching cookies, oops I meant W.U. I've been driven to take my system to the max, in a year or so I plan on not buying but building a few more systems and make my own computer brood. Until then I have to make this "Titanic" seaworthy:D All and any Ideas will be helpful.

[TC]

Originally posted by luckywhitepaw

Can my system be salvaged, I hate that word let me rephrase myself. What can I do with my system without changing the mobo in order to preform like a real computer instead of a corporate rip-off? If the mobo must be changed then what is the best and only the best mobo on the market for my P4, should I go ahead and dual the c.p.u. while I'm at it? I don't mean to make you feel like a dictionary but I'm new at o.c. and I need info. from someone who knows about this, kind of like I know H.V.A.C.R. Ever since I started Crunching cookies, oops I meant W.U. I've been driven to take my system to the max, in a year or so I plan on not buying but building a few more systems and make my own computer brood. Until then I have to make this "Titanic" seaworthy:D All and any Ideas will be helpful.

First off you have to understand the reason oem computers are not very adjustable. They're building something to be stable and reliable. They don't want people to be able to tinker with something they may not understand, then blame them or call for support when they screw something up. Their goal is to simply build a reliable box that can't be screwed with. You have to agree with them for the most part.

Second, you're a technical mechanical person just like most of us here. People who like to build and overclock computers tend to have similar mechanical ability and inclination. Having said that, you'll be able to build your own computers with a little homework. Once you get the basics down it's more like connecting the dots - just plug the cables together and go.

Finally - you can't build a dual P4 right now. The latest "xeon" is really little more than a dual capable P4, but the P4 you and I have is not dual capable. This is mostly marketing on behalf of Intel. Anyway I don't suggest building a dual system just for Seti. You might as well have two separate systems because Seti is not optimized for SMP (dual cpu processing). For the most part when you run two instances of Seti on a dual cpu macine it's no better, and sometimes worse than two separate machines with the same cpu. You often pay more for a dual setup than building two stand alone machines.

You'll pick up on the overclocking thing pretty easily. It's not hard to relate to cooling. It's a system where you need to balance one thing with another. You have to match a condensing unit with the capacity of the evaporator. You have to have the right amount of charge. Too little and you freeze up but have little capacity to move heat, too much and you flood the evap and the coolant cannot explode into a gas well enough to cool down and absord heat. These all relate in some way to FSB, and cpu speeds, plus every other little detail.

[luckywhitepaw]

You know T.C. I gave it alot of tought and you are right. Since I joined S.E.T.I. and Overclockers I have learned a lot from computers. I have always been into computers ever since the Comodore Vic 20 and 64, you know I had a Comodore 64 with a Spartan unit that made it compatible with the apple II. The system even had voice synth. and recognition, that was back in 1981 when RUN magazine was around and we had comuter bulliton board with simple phone modems. Things have changed alot and I always say we never stop learning unless we die and then we don't have to pay anymore taxes. I would like to refer to you when I run into a runt if you don't mind, after all we are all in it together right.:cool:

[TC]

Originally posted by luckywhitepaw
You know T.C. I gave it alot of tought and you are right. Since I joined S.E.T.I. and Overclockers I have learned a lot from computers. I have always been into computers ever since the Comodore Vic 20 and 64, you know I had a Comodore 64 with a Spartan unit that made it compatible with the apple II. The system even had voice synth. and recognition, that was back in 1981 when RUN magazine was around and we had comuter bulliton board with simple phone modems. Things have changed alot and I always say we never stop learning unless we die and then we don't have to pay anymore taxes. I would like to refer to you when I run into a runt if you don't mind, after all we are all in it together right.:cool:

Sure thing.