Is this illegal?

[Amedeo602]

I have a computer I'm planning to sell. It's all ready to go, Win98SE preloaded and everything. I used my CD to install the OS and bought a license for Windows from an online vendor. Would it be illegal for me to burn a copy of my Win98 CD and put it with the license with a big note stating, "For backup purposes only. Installing on a second machine is a violation of the EULA . . . " or something of the sort?

[phendish]

I don't believe so, because it is for backup purpose anyway. Also, if the person is buying the computer as is, they are buying the software too. Second-hand, albeit, but they are still buying it.

Don't forget to give them the manual with the OEM code on the back!

[Pinky]

If you sell them the license, you can't provide them software (not legally at least)--the license only allows that copy to be run on that PC, but does not waive Microsoft's policies concerning making copies (which they do not permit 101% of the time).

[Amedeo602]

That's my point exactly. I could see either side of the coin. I think I'm just going to email M$ and ask them for permission (in writing of course). And if they don't like it, then I just don't mention anything about a Win CD when I sell the comp :)

[Crash893]

just copy the image on the hard drive and if the person that wants to buy it burns it let the fbi come after him

[Amedeo602]

say...that sounds like a good idea

too bad the system doesn't come with a CD-R...lol

[eobard]

Originally posted by Amedeo602
I think I'm just going to email M$ and ask them for permission

Don't forget to log in and let us know when you get out of debter's prison! You breathe one word of that to ms and I'm betting they'll have the feds, or at least their lawyers, all over you for ever and ever.

My 2 cents. (Canadian Pesos actually)

[CrystalMethod]

As a general rule with M$ products...
...if you have to ask, it's illegal. We almost got in real serious poop, where I work because, when we did our pre-installs. We never used to attach the little OEM sticker to the cases afterwards. Saves us the trouble of having to send entire panels to M$, if the got damaged in shipping somehow and RMA has to replace them. So we just used to leave the sticker on the Win package, do our pre-install, and ship the systems put like that. Found out about 2 months ago, an M$ rep saw a shipment of our stuff arrive at a store, and noticed that there were no stickers on the cases, even though Win was installed, albeit just a pre-install, but the rep didn't hesitate to call head office, and have a good talking to with the pres. of our company.

[el]

I have a sealed box with win98SE in it. it is the upgrade but you only need a copy of win3.1 or a win95cd to do a fresh install with it. PM me if you are interested in buying it to legalize your sale or to keep as your personal copy when you sell to the other person.

We can trade stuff if you are low on cash.

[Chronical]

I can help but read this and laugh. I find ppl who fret over pirated software funny. You name it I have a pirated copy of it. I have Office2k copied from a friend who'd copied it from the version the future shop he works at uses. I have win2k off the net. At least 20 copied games, and my entire cd wallet of music is burned cds. I dunno maybe I'm too layed back about the whole thing but I don't think the cops are gonna start going door to door anytime soon looking for ppl with pirated software.

Mind you you're selling it so that's a whole different ordeal. If you sell it to someone you know personally as an under the table kinda thing I wouldn't worry. But if you're puttin an ad in the buy and sell then you might wanna be a bit more careful. Why not just make a copy for yourself and give the buyer the original?

[Ebola]

Xeonetic you should keep that to yourself. I've had some stupid friends get busted for it.

anyways isobuster is a free program if you want to make an iso.

[M@€$†®Ö™]

Originally posted by Xeonetic
I can help but read this and laugh. I find ppl who fret over pirated software funny. You name it I have a pirated copy of it. I have Office2k copied from a friend who'd copied it from the version the future shop he works at uses. I have win2k off the net. At least 20 copied games, and my entire cd wallet of music is burned cds. I dunno maybe I'm too layed back about the whole thing but I don't think the cops are gonna start going door to door anytime soon looking for ppl with pirated software.

Mind you you're selling it so that's a whole different ordeal. If you sell it to someone you know personally as an under the table kinda thing I wouldn't worry. But if you're puttin an ad in the buy and sell then you might wanna be a bit more careful. Why not just make a copy for yourself and give the buyer the original?

You are very brave for sharing that. ! Party on ! :D

Maestro

[Chronical]

Busted how. Selling copies?

[Chronical]

I'd also just like to say that I find it HIGHLY doubtful that ANYONE on here own full liscences to all their programs.

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[Hookem]

Yeah I would have to say Microsoft is a pain in the rear end...Had a Compaq Aero Contura something or another...it came with Windows 3.0 so I went out and bought Windows 3.11 because it was supposed to be "da bomb" and I wanted all of the Compaq whistles and bells off...Any way I called Microsoft and starting raising hell with them because I wanted all that crap off and really got myself into some trouble...Guy I was talking to wanted my name, address, and told me that what I was doing was illegal...Told me that I could not legally buy an upgrade version of Windows and legally install it on the OEM version that came on the computer...I screamed and hollered and cussed and called him every name in the book...He hung up on me...So I kinda learned a lesson about all that business...Buy stand alone versions and register them with Microsoft but more importantly keep my mouth shut and never and I mean never call Microsoft unless you want to buy something...Man they are nice when you want to spend money with them...Smooth polite and pay the lady!!!

[Amedeo602]

Update:
I emailed M$ at their support and piracy emails. They both wanted to call their anti-piracy number. Sensing this as a trap, I decided to say (as many of you already have) to hell with M$. I haven't even advertised the system yet....lol

I'm not too worried about getting arrested or anything, but I'm gonna sell this so I'd like it to be legit. Judging from what most ppl know about comps, they wouldn't even know what an OS is. If I don't mention it, they probably won't either.

SpeeDj: Sorry that I started this. I sure wasn't expecting the biggest pirate in the country to post :rolleyes:

[R0BB23]

its illegal to burn copies of windows period
when it comes to selling it with computers i know this for a fact sorry.

[David]

Would it not be illegal to sell the pC without the windows CD?

[David]

*also*

is it not true that if you copy CDs in the UK illegally your just get your PC confiscated?

[R0BB23]

yes its legal to sell the computer without the software.

and most computer crimes such as hacking and other things only come with a small or large fien depending on the crime and you being banned from using a computer, thats almsot an always.

but normally its not permanent.

jail time is rarish but does happen a good amount but not usely for long.

but thats for the US probably simaliar in the UK.

P.S> in most crimes involving a computer they confinscate it as evidence so that almost always happens. NO you dont get it back its evidence and is put into storage.

once agian these are US laws.

[RedDeathDrinker]

Originally posted by penguinfreak
*also*

is it not true that if you copy CDs in the UK illegally your just get your PC confiscated?


The United Kingdom Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988 and the 1991 European Software Directive (91/250/EEC).

It says you may not copy, adapt or distribute a computer program in any way without the permission of the publisher. This includes:

making physical copies of the program
making electronic copies on your computer or in a local network
making copies from an interactive network such as the Internet

Permissions are granted only by a valid End User Licence Agreement (EULA)

The Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988 and the Trade Marks Act 1994

These acts:

enable authorities to prosecute offenders criminally
allow software developers to enforce their own rights in civil courts



If someone copies a computer program without the publisher's authorisation, or supplies an unauthorised copy to another person, they may face criminal or civil proceedings with serious penalties. Likewise, if a director, manager or officer of a company copies a computer program without authorisation, or supplies an unauthorised copy, they (the individual) and the company face prosecution.



It's pretty straightforward....

[R0BB23]

this one im sure not alot of us have thought about or know but, what happens to the person buying the illegal burned stuff.

[David]

the illegal stuff gets confiscated too, I think, as evidence for the case. You just have to make sure you dont buy illegal stuff..yout lookout.

[n2]

AHOY M8Y...
just sell them thar puter with windoze installed...

when they need a reformat... they
a.) come to you
b.) pay someone else

case closed.

most landlovers dont know how to reformat and reinstall properly anyhow.. alotta good the disk will do em'

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