My Twin Turbo H2O Project (MPS600's)

[AudiMan]

This all started off with a simple Maze4, Eheim 1250 and a Pro 120 HC with a single fan cooling a prescott. I was getting about 49-51°C Load. That was too high since my other Caprice cooled prescott was at about 34°C load. So I added a second HC in a push pull config shown as you can see at the back and replaced the Maze4 with a WhiteWater. The temps dropped to about 46-49 @ load. Still, I wasn't happy. I figured since the loop became more restrictive, I'll replace the eheim with an MCP600. Temps dropped to about 44-47 °C load. Then I went crazy and added a second MCP-600. Right now the load is at 40-42°C.

My ultimate goal is to have it never go over 40°C. When I have time, I will rearrange the tubing because I know that is what is holding me back right now. As for cosmetics,, I'll take care of the after.


http://members.shaw.ca/overclocking/Twin%20Turbo%20MCP600%20Rev1.jpg


The way I was planning on rearranging the tubing was to merge the outlets from the MCP600's into one tube, make them go through the HC's first, then to the waterblock. Then the two outlets from the waterblock will go into the MCP inlets.

[thorilan]

you might as well get a larger case and use 2 single pass cores

[AudiMan]

you might as well get a larger case and use 2 single pass cores

I know, too late for that though. I'll work with that I have.

[kiyoshilionz]

Damn, that's as messy as my aircooled setup!

But dual radiators + dual pumps sounds like a hell of a setup.

But one question about reducing temps - does it really change your overclock at all? I went from a 60cfm CPU fan to a Tornado, which can reduce the temperature nearly 6-8 degrees when it's on full blast (Like my old setup would be 47 at idle and now it's at 40-42 idle), but I still can't increase my overclock despite the fact that I can run more voltage b/c it's cooler....

[thorilan]

your oc is more than just your cpu

nb mosfets sb psu tolerances . what you have eating continious power vs spike start up power of spin up hard drive activity all determine oc character

[nikhsub1]

OK, either I am crazy or you have your setup done all wrong... first, you are going in the OUTLETS of the White Water which is proven to give a 3-5C worse result. Second, you are choking the inlets of the pumps with that T, third, you should run those pumps in SERIES.

[crimedog]

here's what I would do if i was you.

- flip the left pump so the inlet is pointing up, the outlet right (as per picture). The outlet would feed into the inlet of the right pump.
- connect that pump's outlet to the center barb of the WW.
- have one outlet from the WW go to each rad
- bring the rad outlets together with a Y adapter over the first pump's inlet
- find space for the t-line(s)

that should improve temps a lot
I wrote rads in parrallel because it would help tubing a lot, and should perform the same :)

[situman]

OK, either I am crazy or you have your setup done all wrong... first, you are going in the OUTLETS of the White Water which is proven to give a 3-5C worse result. Second, you are choking the inlets of the pumps with that T, third, you should run those pumps in SERIES.

yeah i was wondering the same thing when i saw that the entry point to the ww was at the two outlets. Plus u can save space by cutting out the harddrive cage man. Plus u can put a heater core on top of 4 pedestals on top of ur case and all u have to do is increase the tube length by a foot or so. That way instead of cooling the back heatercore with hot air from inside the case, u can cool it with cooler outside air. But definitely cut out the hard drive cage and give urself alot more room and get rid of the T by the pump inlets.

[felinusz]

First order of business is to buy yourself a full-tower case, it will make all the difference in effective routing, and making it all look clean and professional :)

What with currently using the outlets as inlets on your block, and the crowded route you have now, you should be able to easily get some very signifigant temperature drops out of a re-routed setup in a larger case, without elbows or kinks.

As for tubing, I found in my admittadly crowded circuit, that 1/2" ID Tygon or Clearflex60 with 1/8" walls doesn't cut it for a clean routing, and tight bends without kinks or elbows.

I'm using 1/2" ID, 1/16" walled Cearflex60 with those Swiftech Coolsleeves at the moment; it bends tighter than 1/8" walled Tygon without kinking, and helped with the routing a lot.

[jenkx]

Boy what a mess. I admire your will to make it work though. You do need a bigger case. With all that you have going on there I would bet that you could get load down to 39c if you reconfigured everything and put it in a bigger case.

[greenman100]

OK, either I am crazy or you have your setup done all wrong... first, you are going in the OUTLETS of the White Water which is proven to give a 3-5C worse result. Second, you are choking the inlets of the pumps with that T, third, you should run those pumps in SERIES.

yes

furthermore, you don't need 2 MCPs, for that setup.

You'd have been far better off to buy a full tower with what one of those MCPs cost.

educate yourself, THEN spend money

[greenman100]

also I hope those fans are both pulling cool air in.

[sandman001]

It doesn't really matter if they're pulling ir cool or warm air, he has the side panel off.

[AudiMan]

OK, either I am crazy or you have your setup done all wrong... first, you are going in the OUTLETS of the White Water which is proven to give a 3-5C worse result. Second, you are choking the inlets of the pumps with that T, third, you should run those pumps in SERIES.


No, I'm the crazy one. It's a huge mess now because I didn't have time to completely reconfigure the whole system. I was in a hurry so I just added the second pump as quickly as I could.

Either way, I'm going to completely reconfigure it when I have time.

The fans are sucking air out of the case, because I have two 120mm fans on my side panel blowing air in to cool the pumps and mobo/RAM/mosfets.

Thanks for the help and advice though guys :)

[situman]

2 mcp600s are definitely worth it. my current setup jumped by 4 or 5c once i turned one of my pumps off, but then again i have a full tower case and three waterblocks. Man spring up for a full tower case, u will love it. Im glad i did when i bought the PC75

[AudiMan]

I'm working with what I have. I'd rather keep a small case like this, but it's all a learning experience.

[AudiMan]

2 mcp600s are definitely worth it. my current setup jumped by 4 or 5c once i turned one of my pumps off, but then again i have a full tower case and three waterblocks. Man spring up for a full tower case, u will love it. Im glad i did when i bought the PC75


How did you connect the pumps exactly? Are they side by side or is one in the middle of the loop somewhere?

[greenman100]

No, I'm the crazy one. It's a huge mess now because I didn't have time to completely reconfigure the whole system. I was in a hurry so I just added the second pump as quickly as I could.

Either way, I'm going to completely reconfigure it when I have time.

The fans are sucking air out of the case, because I have two 120mm fans on my side panel blowing air in to cool the pumps and mobo/RAM/mosfets.

Thanks for the help and advice though guys :)


CPU's cooling is mroe important than pumps

set rad fans to pull cool air into case, set side panel fans to push out

actually try it both ways, I bet what I said gives lower temps, if given time ot reach equlibrium.

[greenman100]

2 mcp600s are definitely worth it. my current setup jumped by 4 or 5c once i turned one of my pumps off, but then again i have a full tower case and three waterblocks. Man spring up for a full tower case, u will love it. Im glad i did when i bought the PC75


that is partly because one of the pumps turned into restriction

my point was, with the money from one of those MCPs, he could have bought a bigger case with room to effectively route tubing.

it is said and done now....what needs to be done is a total reconfiguration of tubing, focusing on not choking the pump inlets, and plumbing the WW properly

[clocker2]

Where are these temps you're posting coming from?

[felinusz]

About the fans, I would keep them as they are. With lots of airflow coming in the case side panel, the motherboard and video card are getting plenty of airflow, and lots of turbulence. Having the heatercores blowing exhaust, using 'case air' doesn't actually hurt temperatures much, if at all, from the testing I've done anyways. With my top radiator I've found that an exhaust setup leaves me with better airflow, and the same water temperatures as with an intake setup.

Your rear radiator is getting nearly fresh air from the side-panel intake fans anyways, and I don't think an Intake setup on it would make any difference to your water temperatures, although it would certainly mess up the path of your airflow.

[greenman100]

About the fans, I would keep them as they are. With lots of airflow coming in the case side panel, the motherboard and video card are getting plenty of airflow, and lots of turbulence. Having the heatercores blowing exhaust, using 'case air' doesn't actually hurt temperatures much, if at all, from the testing I've done anyways. With my top radiator I've found that an exhaust setup leaves me with better airflow, and the same water temperatures as with an intake setup.

Your rear radiator is getting nearly fresh air from the side-panel intake fans anyways, and I don't think an Intake setup on it would make any difference to your water temperatures, although it would certainly mess up the path of your airflow.


how would it mess up the airflow?

only changing direction, not path (by much)

I, for one, know the air in my case is 5C hotter than ambient

do you want 5C hotter air passing through your rad? that's 5C hotter CPU, guaranteed

[AudiMan]

Reconfiguring and plumming right now. Will post back with pics in a few hours :)

[situman]

pump1 -rad-cpu-gpu-nb-pump2 - res-pump1

[jenkx]

Its always better to pull cool air through a rad than to push hot case air out through them. Good thing Audiman is reconfig'ing those hoses because those pumps were going to die soon.

[jenkx]

I think its good to stick with both pumps as well. But my friend, get a bigger case, even if you have to save $ till Christmas. It will look better because all your stuff will fit inside. And it will help your temps as you config those hoses for better flow.

[AudiMan]

How about this:

http://members.shaw.ca/overclocking/Twin%20Turbo%20MCP600%20Rev2.jpg

[phaeton]

it shuld wokr much better, what are your temps?

[AudiMan]

Same as previous setup. Still waiting for the air bubbles to clear out though.

[greenman100]

Now we're cooking with gas!

I'd move the T-lne to in between the two pumps, it will take forever to bleed in its current configuration.

Other than that, your temps should be 4C down now or more

[AudiMan]

Yeah, temps are about 4°C down from before including a bump up in voltage from 1.4875 to 1.5 and cpu is at 3415 MHz instead of 3360 MHz. :)

Thanks for the help guys.

My Eheim 1260 is coming next week, should I replace the two MCP600's with it?

EDIT: 41°C Full load @ 1.5 Vcore. 3415 MHz, with side panel on.

[klath]

Why did you get a 1260 after getting two MCP600? :eh?:

Also, I noticed that your two pumps doesn't seem stable at all. One side of the right pump is sitting on the raised edge on the bottom of the case while the other side is not and it doesn't seem like the left one is secured to anything. Good work on fixing the lines though. :thup:

[jenkx]

Looks much better now. And to stay under 41c max with a prescott is great!!! I might consider pricing a second MCP-600 soon. If you're still pushing hot case air out of the HC's instead of pulling cool air in through them try reversing the fans and see if it makes a difference. If not than put them back the way you have them now. I'm courious to know if it will make even more of a difference in temps if you pull in intsead of push out.

[Vengance_01]

Your inlets and outlets aare still wrong on your White water. The iddle is the inlet, and the two outer bards or for outlets. Change that and watch your temps drop :santa2:

[VballCoach]

Your inlets and outlets aare still wrong on your White water. The iddle is the inlet, and the two outer bards or for outlets. Change that and watch your temps drop :santa2:
?...look at his latest pic....everything is as it should be..sans the T-line

[AudiMan]

Why did you get a 1260 after getting two MCP600? :eh?:

Also, I noticed that your two pumps doesn't seem stable at all. One side of the right pump is sitting on the raised edge on the bottom of the case while the other side is not and it doesn't seem like the left one is secured to anything. Good work on fixing the lines though. :thup:

The 1260 is on order because I'm setting up another H20 Rig. I've got the tubes, the HC's, the waterblock etc. I just wanted to buy a pump that I've never used before,

Also about the pumps not being secured, I fixed that after the pic was taken. Everything is secured and running stable right now.

[AudiMan]

Your inlets and outlets aare still wrong on your White water. The iddle is the inlet, and the two outer bards or for outlets. Change that and watch your temps drop :santa2:

The outlets are going to the pump inlet, the moddle barb on the WW is getting the coolest water after going through both HC's.

[AudiMan]

Yeah these MCP600's sure are great pumps. Better than my Eheim 1250, that's forsure.

[fafnir]

are you running milk in them lines?

[AudiMan]

No, just the tiny little air bubbles make it look white.

[injustice]

Geez man i feel so sorry for u i registered a account here to help u.

1) By any chance is that tap water in taht setup?
2) No matter how much bubbles u have water dosent turn white.
3) Mabey ur clearflex is STAINED, VERY VERY VERY STAINED.
4) Invest in a single dual 12cm fan rad, ur case seems abit too small to fit all that in.

[AudiMan]

Geez man i feel so sorry for u i registered a account here to help u.

1) By any chance is that tap water in taht setup?
2) No matter how much bubbles u have water dosent turn white.
3) Mabey ur clearflex is STAINED, VERY VERY VERY STAINED.
4) Invest in a single dual 12cm fan rad, ur case seems abit too small to fit all that in.

1) No, it's distilled water with additives.
2) Apparently you're wrong,,not apparently,, obviously.
3) Don't look stained to me, the light touch of green/yellow is from the additive.
4) I have a Caprice HC already if you look at my sig. I'm not in it for best results - This is a hobby, remember? Experimenting is allowed.

http://members.shaw.ca/overclocking/Twin%20Turbo%20MCP600%20Rev2-Air.jpg

But anyway, thanks for registering and attempting to help.

[AudiMan]

How are these temps now that everything is set up properly? :)

http://members.shaw.ca/overclocking/Twin%20Turbo%20MCP600%20Rev2-temps.jpg


Time to push it now.

[ZachM]

Ahh, that's much better. Now I can sleep at night.:p The correct way looks a lot cleaner too.;)