Official submission qualifications: Game tests or Full tests?

[Maxvla]

This poll is to determine how official scores will be submitted to the OC3dmark team.

Game tests:

A bencher must only complete the 4 game tests (low and high where they apply) without error in order to qualify for submission. The pros to this are testing takes far less time.

Full tests:

A bencher must complete all tests including the game tests and feature tests in order to qualify for submission. The pros to this are marginal stability insurance for rigs on the verge of failure.

Currently we are using the Full tests option, but would like to see how everyone feels about this. Please make your selection and if possible post why you chose that option.

[deathstar13]

full tests for me.
i want max fps but only if stable and just game tests do that.

then again if your doing world record setting then most will opt for game only.

[Maxvla]

i chose game tests as testing time is cut in half and stability concerns really aren't justified. its rather rare for me to fail in the features section if i make it through the game tests. i think the benefit of halving the testing time outweighs the slight stability gain if you can really call it that.

[sandman001]

Game tests, they're the mostdemanding and they cut the time in half.

No real reason to run the other tests unless you're troubleshooting.

[Silver]

Game tests. I can appreciate deathstars contention for stbility, etc but I am also a realist and the fact of the matter is that our 3DTEAM has all but died due to this constraint. Many visit here but are posting their scores under other site names due to the ease of testing and how rapidly settings can be changed and testing redone/completed. We are definately not represented to the extent that we should be at the ORB nor do we have the active participation here. There is also the case in 2001 whereby scores may be run on the game test then the core/ram pulled down a tad for the rest of the testing. This kind of negates the purpose of full tests. We should go to game tests only though full tests would still be an option for the individual. No score would be denied due to running full tests.

[Bobtod]

Game test only for me when I bench, you can get twice as many benchies in the same time. This is essential if we're gonna try and challenge for a front page slot in our different classes.

Go OC3dmark team!!

If the vote goes game tests only, will OC3dmark team change the rules?

bt

EDIT: I hear ya deathstar13 about stability. Personaly I never bother benchmarking my normal gaming setup, I run with AA/AF + best IQ etc so my score would always suck.

[d]g[ts]

Game test was my vote. First reason is that running all the test doesn't prove that your system is stable. It just means you can run for 10 minutes before it crashes. Second reason is. The full test rule is why many people no longer bench for the Overclockers team. they learn lots from here, then go to where the high scores come from. Leaving our community behind. Third reason is that after these people leave they start to avertise other forums not ours. Which will not help us grow anymore. Kinda like we are just a stepping stone to other levels. Which we are not.

We have other teams that want to be competetive, and strong, so why let the 3D mark team go down.

[deathstar13]

hey guys not to defend my voting but i do agree with everyone that in order to get the 3dmark team going we need game only testing,even tho i prefer the full tests myself its just a personal thing.

i can jion many teams out there right now. but i dont want to and always belonged to oc.com3dmark team and darn proud of it :)

if i can help in any way of getting anything done pls ask.
sometimes i take a few months off pc's at a time but i always come back.just mandatory breaks for my head :)

[Z YA LTR]

I voted for just the game tests. I would really love to see everyone get competitive.

--Josh

[Sentential]

Game tests, cuz I *always* forget to do the rest of them

[Maxvla]

how long shall we leave this poll up until we are satisfied it is the desire of all interested parties?

[d]g[ts]

My initial thoughts. when tinkering with poll idea with Silver was about 2 weeks.
However how would we go about getting an official Change? None of the listed team leaders have been active in this forum, of the official team thread since about february. Leaving the team basicaly leaderless to make official change.

[Maxvla]

well if they aren't here, we'll just have to elect a new leader and change it ourselves :)

[d]g[ts]

Anything to keep the team moving on :thup:

[Z YA LTR]

well if they aren't here, we'll just have to elect a new leader and change it ourselves :)

My thoughts exactly!
:attn:
--Josh

[theELVISCERATOR]

I vote full tests but will submit to majority rule.

[Steelpuma]

I vote full tests but will submit to majority rule.

I agree. I'm worried that people with extremly unstable systems will benchmark 5 or 10 times untill 3Dmark games test won't crash, then submit these unrealistic scores. At least with Full tests, you know that the score is 'honest'.

[Bobtod]

I agree. I'm worried that people with extremly unstable systems will benchmark 5 or 10 times untill 3Dmark games test won't crash, then submit these unrealistic scores. At least with Full tests, you know that the score is 'honest'.

go and tell that to Oppainter and Macci and the like. The top scores they submit are on rigs that are stable for long enough to run the tests, that's what you've got to do to be at the top.

If you want to break records you have to push things to their limits.

Do you think the 100m sprint is false because they wouldn't be able to run at that speed for a mile?

Is drag racing false because they can only run at that speed for a few seconds?

Ok, so you can loop 3dmark for 24 hours to test your system for stability but at the end of the day it's a benchmark and if you can do some tweeks to increase your score, that's what it's all about!

If we (oc3dmark) want to challenge the top guys then we can't do it with one arm tied benhind our backs, we've got to bench with the rules others set to have a chance.

bt

[Maxvla]

I agree. I'm worried that people with extremly unstable systems will benchmark 5 or 10 times untill 3Dmark games test won't crash, then submit these unrealistic scores. At least with Full tests, you know that the score is 'honest'.
but thats just it. its not more honest because you can run all the game tests at full overclock and then drop your oc for the feature tests because you can run the tests 1 at a time.

[Bobtod]

but thats just it. its not more honest because you can run all the game tests at full overclock and then drop your oc for the feature tests because you can run the tests 1 at a time.

Exactly! This is what I was getting at in another thread. I was saying you could 'cheat' your way round the rules, making them completely useless, all they will achieve is make your benching times longer.

The current Oc3dmark rules will force me to either 'cheat' with my top scores or submit them for another team. I don't want to do either TBH, this is my home, I like this forum and want our team up at the top of the ORB.

I think maybe people are getting confused over the difference between stability and benchmarking. My rig is 24hours prime95 stable at my daily/gaming speeds, I wouldn't have it any other way. But, when I'm benching stability is only needed for 20 mins, running 1 game test after another with a few minutes for things to cool down again.

Like with most rules, they can be broken easily, you will never know if someones run was artifact free or if they ran the same clocks for all tests. So by not having any rules (except having OC3DmarkTeam in your name), nobody can 'cheat' and nobody gets upset.

bt

[d]g[ts]

The truth is that it doesn't take much stability to complete 3Dmark test. And with that fact, it's very hard to compete with others that go with Orb submitions only.
We are here to score high. Not to prove we have stable rigs, and competing with 3dmark still does not, and won't (with present 3dmark test) prove your system is stable. If stability was our goal we would be comparing our longest prime95 runs (not a lot of fun in that)
The point of changing the rule is to keep people with overclockers. with testing being about stability we loose our best to teams that are about scoring. which in turn leaves us with less competition, and less interest in the team, and even OC forums in general.

At least with active score threads in this section we are generating more interest here. which is badly needed. However we need to keep this level up.
The way it has been in this section is dead. no post for days, peoples problems not being solved, and these people that need help go elsewhere. Again leaving OC forums behind. Making a simple change can help bring interest back, members back, and make our team something to be proud of.

Sorry for small rant. just some feelings.

[walldow]

i like the full test myself! i take pride in nowing i can run all test totaly stable and still beat out the other guy that is maxed out and having trouble just getting threw the game test! :cool:

not to mention i like seeing what the other guy realy has under the hood. just running a couple game test doesnt show me sqaut!

as for the vote! doesnt realy matter to me becuase i will run all test anyway! i like power slamming people like that! ;)

and as fare as being competition you can still run just game test and tag it with the OC 3DMark Team logo! most people are searching the ORB for the highest scores! and not our web sight!

so if its that big of a deal why dont you just add the search option to our 3dmark team data base! "game test" or "full test" and make the submissions valid iether way! this way everyone is saticfide?

[Silver]

Walldow, I surely can appreciate and respect the integrity involved in full test runs. The problem is that there is virtually no activity in the thread due to basically lack of participation. The full test run guys/gals (?) just aren't actively participating and to take the high ground is just resulting in non participation as well as lack of recognition at the orb of this site and its' members abilities. So the real question is how do we get this thread and its' team members from signing at the ORB under another site and participating actively in other sites vid card threads. If we leave it the way it is then we really are saying lets not participate, thus leaving vid card benching for other oc sites. We have a lack of participation. This would be an indicator to me that we are doing it wrong and must change or drop it. I surely do not mean to offend anyone and in most things am not a big follow the leader type but when faced with reality then my direction must change or failure is imminent. I can state that my fastest SuperPi is not 24 hour stable. I suspect that in most cases this is true. After all the guy ahead of me is beating me by just a tad and I know with a little more push I can catch him. I am not sure that the competing community has not redefined oc'ing as a measurement of how far the system can be pushed vs how far it can be pushed reliably. As mentioned above one does not see much heavy load long term competitive testing. We all operate normally at reliable oc'ed speeds however to find the max competative level we push beyond long term reliable to find the max mechanical short term speed. Hopefully thus defining the ultimate for a given architecture/design.

[Jimbob7]

A vote for game tests only :D

[Maxvla]

this poll hasn't been active for the last couple days so i think its safe to assume everyone that is interested has voted.

to that end i call this poll closed with the result of 'Game tests only' becoming official submission qualifications.

now, this does not mean we will not accept full test scores. if you feel you need to run all of them then please go ahead.

i think this is a positive step for the team. hope to see more results posted and more activity. see ya round :)

[walldow]

i think this is a positive step for the team. hope to see more results posted and more activity. see ya round :)


got one question? whos doing the updates on the team database? i have submitted a 6k score for 3dmark 2003 on my 5700 ultra, 3 times in the last couple months and its never been poasted on the teams database? i have posted on the team forum here, about updates and get no repliese from the higher ups? kato was in charge of the updates but seems no one has herd from him as of late?

[Maxvla]

got one question? whos doing the updates on the team database? i have submitted a 6k score for 3dmark 2003 on my 5700 ultra, 3 times in the last couple months and its never been poasted on the teams database? i have posted on the team forum here, about updates and get no repliese from the higher ups? kato was in charge of the updates but seems no one has herd from him as of late?
nobody is updating the team site. we have threads now since none of us have access to the site or have much knowledge in making a site like that.

D]g[ts and I have taken leadership for now to get the team back together. If anyone more qualified or talented than myself comes along that wants to lead the team i will step down. I don't really have alot of background since my stance towards 3dmark varies regularly, but i can't stand to see the team so far down like it is.

[walldow]

nobody is updating the team site. we have threads now since none of us have access to the site or have much knowledge in making a site like that.

D]g[ts and I have taken leadership for now to get the team back together. If anyone more qualified or talented than myself comes along that wants to lead the team i will step down. I don't really have alot of background since my stance towards 3dmark varies regularly, but i can't stand to see the team so far down like it is.


thats better finaly got a strate answer from sombody! as for the team i think change is good. with out change things get statgnent! i have always been thankfull to team members. OC has been my home for the last 2 years and i have ben asked more than once! to go to The Xtremesytems 3dteam but as i told them OC is my home every one here has always been more than happy to help or support me in anyway possable! therefore i try to do the same and support and represent the team to the best of my abbility. not only in high 3dmark scores but also recruting new and interested people that are just learning the satisfaction of overclocking! its not all about high scores its about friendship and a sence of community! glad to have people like you and D]g[ts and silver around to pick us up when things are looking down!

thanks :beer:

[d]g[ts]

thats better finaly got a strate answer from sombody! as for the team i think change is good. with out change things get statgnent! i have always been thankfull to team members. OC has been my home for the last 2 years and i have ben asked more than once! to go to The Xtremesytems 3dteam but as i told them OC is my home every one here has always been more than happy to help or support me in anyway possable! therefore i try to do the same and support and represent the team to the best of my abbility. not only in high 3dmark scores but also recruting new and interested people that are just learning the satisfaction of overclocking! its not all about high scores its about friendship and a sence of community! glad to have people like you and D]g[ts and silver around to pick us up when things are looking down!

thanks :beer:
Maxvala, Silver, and I are glad to have loyal experienced people like you here too. This needs Help ATM and we just wanna give it the kickstart it needs.

Thanks for the loyalty, and patience. It's been a rough couple months around this section, but things are looking up.

[Silver]

Sorry to have been out of touch for the last couple of days. Dual core box is up and testing however all comes down again probably tommorow. Will be up and down for the next couple of days while converting over to the 320w tec. Waldow, good to see you around. We can surely use all the help we can get. Take Care Guys.