Intel delays next Pentium 4 chip

[way2ez4u]

So, they talking about Northwoods or Prescotts?

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/business/9283505.htm
Intel delays next Pentium 4 chip

MATTHEW FORDAHL
Associated Press


SAN JOSE, Calif. - In the latest misstep for the world's largest chip maker, Intel Corp. said a faster version of its flagship Pentium 4 microprocessor will not be available by the end of the year as previously promised.

The Santa Clara-based company told PC makers this week that the 4-gigahertz chip will not ship until the first quarter of 2005. Currently, the fastest model runs at 3.6 gigahertz.

"We felt by adjusting the schedule for the products, we could better meet our customers' volume requirements and their high expectations," said Intel spokeswoman Laura Anderson on Friday. She declined to elaborate on the reason for the delay.

It's been a rough year for Intel products even though profits nearly doubled in the second quarter and it's on track to set record sales in the current quarter.

Its current Pentium 4, unveiled in February, has been criticized for not raising the performance bar over previous processors.

In May, it canceled the next-generation Pentium 4 so that it could focus on more promising technologies. In June, a manufacturing glitch forced a small recall of chipsets, which handle communications between the processor and the rest of the system.

In July, it said design problems would delay the release of mobile computer chipset dubbed Alviso until next year. And it said better-than-expected performance in manufacturing of Pentium 4s resulted in an inventory buildup.

Last week, chief executive Craig Barrett sent a message to all employees urging them to "focus intensely on actions and attitudes that will continue Intel's strong track record."

Barrett also said he spoke "bluntly and directly" to senior managers about the problems.

"There are many reasons for these (product delays and manufacturing issues), but in the end the reasons don't matter because the result is less-satisfied customers and a less-successful Intel," he wrote. "I believe, as you do, that this is not the Intel we all know and that it is not acceptable."

Still, Intel's financial performance is strong. In the second quarter, profits nearly doubled to nearly $1.8 billion and sales rose to $8.05 billion. In the current quarter, Intel would set its all-time sales record if it meets the midpoint its revenue forecast.

Shares of Intel rose 14 cents to $24.38 in afternoon trading Friday on the Nasdaq Stock Market.

[batboy]

They are talking about the Prescott. Looks like Intel is still having trouble working out the bugs. The 3.8 Prescott LBA775 was due to be released sometime around October... along with the new E0 stepping... so it sounds like we can forget about that now. Dang, first quarter 2005 seems like a long time.

[AudiMan]

That stinks. On the bright side, I won't be spending as much money :)

[theMonster]

Where's Intel's 64 bit chip??? In development as a half-assed 48 bit P4 that'll read and emulate the 64bit instruction set. What a Joke!!! :bang head

So much for them going "in a different direction than AMD" and not using the same 64bit instruction set :burn:

So, they can't get 64bit desktop processors right so they'll just try to rocket clock speeds up to 7 or 8 ghz on the 32bit and 48bit-quasi 64bit "new" P4. :rolleyes:

HEY INTEL!!! Name recognition can only take you so far and I think your time may be up! :cry:

Message from AMD to Intel: "Now all your base are belong to us" :D

[Quailane]

"We felt by adjusting the schedule for the products, we could better meet our customers' volume requirements and their high expectations," said Intel spokeswoman Laura Anderson on Friday.

What a bunch of crap. To meet customers' high expectations, you don't delay a so-so product even more months!

[batboy]

Monster, nice immature thread crap. I see by your siggy you have a Barton mobile on the way. Sorry, but all three of my Intel rigs will still outperform your brand new system. By the way, it won't be 64 bit either. What a joke.

[NookieN]

Where's Intel's 64 bit chip??? In development as a half-assed 48 bit P4 that'll read and emulate the 64bit instruction set.

AMD's chips have exactly the same limitation. The Opterons/A64s have 40-bit physical addressing and 48-bit virtual addressing. The Opteron/A64 also emulates its own instruction set. No x86 chip in 9+ years has directly executed x86 instructions. Both AMD and Intel chips break down those instructions into simpler internal operations -- so they are both emulating x86, 64-bit or not.

So much for them going "in a different direction than AMD" and not using the same 64bit instruction set

Intel has by no means abandonned their Itanium line. Even so, you should be happy that they are going to support x86-64 since that will greatly speed its adoption by the market.

So, they can't get 64bit desktop processors right so they'll just try to rocket clock speeds up to 7 or 8 ghz on the 32bit and 48bit-quasi 64bit "new" P4.

Clearly they're not going to get to 8Ghz when they're having trouble reaching 4Ghz now.

AMD certainly has some performance advantages over comparable Intel chips at the moment. If you want to talk trash about Intel there's plenty of opportunity. However you should try to gain at least some understanding of the technical issues first.

[AudiMan]

Monster, nice immature thread crap. I see by your siggy you have a Barton mobile on the way. Sorry, but all three of my Intel rigs will still outperform your brand new system. By the way, it won't be 64 bit either. What a joke.


All Monter's rig, are belong to Batboy.

What happen?

[Kuroimaho]

I think it would have been the best if you simply ignore him.
Seems Intel does very well financially although they did not have any significant performance increase for a year.
So even if "all Intel's bases belong to AMD" they still can't increase their marketshare which makes AMD's sales dept worse then Intel's engineers ;)

64Bit ? Um yes maybe next year by now we will see real use of it but nonetheless it must be a warm feeling that your CPU is 64bit.

@theMonster Just wondering if AMD makes faster 64bit CPU's than Intel, why XPs sell better than the 64 bit wonders ? ;)

[way2ez4u]

To me, it would be nice to buy a 478 mobo that supported pciX this year. I don't plan on making any substantial upgrades until there is significant performance increases from what I have.

[Evilsizer]

anyone read this one too?
link: http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/07/29/HNintelpentium4push_1

Here is something i have been thinking about, am i the only one who see some possiblities here for desktop donthans sooner then expected?
well i saw this on the inquirer which got me thinking that above, 91x chipset for P-M's. Would this mean that if the P-M goes to the new LGA socket that we already have mobos now that can use it? they will need a micro code update in bios but then just saw we assume the pin layout it the same if they go to LGA
link: http://www.theinquirer.net/Default.aspx?article=17053

Faster donathans by the end of the year! Wait 2MB's of l2 cache :drool:
link: http://www.theinquirer.net/Default.aspx?article=16777

[theMonster]

@theMonster Just wondering if AMD makes faster 64bit CPU's than Intel, why XPs sell better than the 64 bit wonders ? $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Clearly they're not going to get to 8Ghz when they're having trouble reaching 4Ghz now
er, uh, that was meant to be sarcasm

Sorry, but all three of my Intel rigs will still outperform your brand new system maybe a little after mines OCed to 3.0ghz, but your's cost 3x as much too. Oh, it's not a "new system" just a new CPU.

AMD's sales dept worse then Intel's engineers: True, the PR dept is worse than sales too

[hUMANbEATbOX]

maybe a little after mines OCed to 3.0ghz, but your's cost 3x as much too. Oh, it's not a "new system" just a new CPU.


whoever told you you had a snowballs chance in hell of hitting 3.0 was sorely mistaken. i hope you spent the money you "saved" on a nice prommie setup, you are going to need it to even see 2.8 i would think.

[batboy]

LMAO... good one Audiman and well said Nookie. Nice links, Evil (although the first one didn't work for me).


The Pentium M architecture continues to rule the roost as a notebook architecture and AMD still has a way to go before it catches up, with Intel running this show with a rod of iron.

Going into the Intel CPU section and bashing them is like stirring up a hornets' nest, huh?

Monster, according to newegg.com your new mobile is about 1/2 the price of a P-4, not 1/3 like you claimed. As for hitting 3 gig, good luck. It ain't happening on air. So, by the time you spend the cash for a Prommy, your system will cost 3X what a P-4 does... and you'll still get whipped.

[theMonster]

will do 2.7-2.8 air cooled --confirmed by many--, was just rounding to 3. Not gonna water cool. I've got me a $$ and time saver here until 64-bit prices drop and apps are coded for it. I just got a new CPU, if I were to go 64bit then I'd need RAM, mobo too and that's too much $$$ when 64bit is not needed until another 2+ years.

[theMonster]

I'm ending this argument now by saying that performance to $$ ratio. Intel=ripoff. If Intels were price competititve to AMD, I'd buy one because they tend to run cooler. It's your cash, so do what you want with it, end of discussion -- G'night mates.

[batboy]

will do 2.7-2.8 air cooled --confirmed by many--, was just rounding to 3.

Cool! That means I get to round my rigs up to 4 gig.

I've got me a $$ and time saver here until 64-bit prices drop and apps are coded for it. I just got a new CPU, if I were to go 64bit then I'd need RAM, mobo too and that's too much $$$ when 64bit is not needed until another 2+ years.

Hey, very good point, he's actually making very good sense now. If the P-4 is a rip-off, then so is the A64 because they cost the same. Plus, he can just upgrade CPU and have a good bang for the buck. The Barton mobile is a good overclocker and a great bargain for the price. But, the P-4 still beats 'em. The funny thing is, he's admitting the 64 bit won't be needed for another couple of years. Didn't he start out making fun of Intel for not having 64 bit yet? We still wuv ya, Monster. You're all right.

[Evilsizer]

I'm ending this argument now by saying that performance to $$ ratio. Intel=ripoff. If Intels were price competititve to AMD, I'd buy one because they tend to run cooler. It's your cash, so do what you want with it, end of discussion -- G'night mates.


well you should have never posted in here in the first place, cause there would have been no argument! :)

[batboy]

Sure, he's allowed to post here. That's not a problem. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But... if you talk the talk, you have to also walk the walk.

[Evilsizer]

yes i know he is but its one thing to make comment about the post but another to start a flame. as well as bring up something thats not even going to be needed for 2+years, just seems kinda retarted in and of itself. he does how ever remind me of a clanmate that was telling me a a64 3400+ would kill my 3.0c even overclocked. he posted some anatech review and then i posted my aquamark scores :attn: and he had nothing to say to them.... so it was kinda funny...
anyway :beer:

[batboy]

Yes, the AMD boys read the reviews comparing a stock AMD to a stock Intel, then jump to the false conclusion that overclocked to overclocked must have the same results. They sometimes don't realize how much the Intel quad pumped bus and dual channel RAM will scale up when overclocked, especially if you have good RAM that will run at high DDR speeds too. Let's not get too cocky though, the newer overclocked A64's are going to give us a good run for our money.

[Evilsizer]

that is true but arent they still being made at the .13micron? if so that would put out a lot of heat and be somewhat unstable... im not getting cocky was just showing him the true power of the p4 when overclocked... there are so many systems that are out there that would eat mine for lunch *looks at batboys sig* :drool: now we are starting to get off topic....

what do yall think about the P-m though and the links i posted?

[adelphia83]

The Barton mobile is a good overclocker and a great bargain for the price. But, the P-4 still beats 'em.

YOUR P-4 still beats them. You cannot make that statement about every P4, because what are they clocking to on average with decent air cooling? Certainly not 3.9ghz.

A sub-100$ 2600+ Mobile XP, and you can bank on hitting 2.5ghz every time. In real world performance, this should equate to a substantially overclocked P4, give or take depending on application. Somebody going the XP-M route just saved themselves 70$. It's up to the buyer to decide if that 70$ is worth the tradeoff in performance in certain areas compared to a P4.

A 75$ Nforce2 U400 motherboard is all that's needed to push the XP-M to the top. = More $ in the pocket.

I do not see how you can justify the extra cost of the P4. When you put the P4's pricing into perspective, you can get a faster A64 system for the same price (even with overclocking).. Of course, if all P4's were hitting 3.9ghz, well then I'd believe your story. Until then, it's exactly that.

[Indyxc1]

It seems there maybe another reason Intel delayed the chip.

Seems their currently technology is generating enormous profit. Why end production of a technology that is generating so much money? The PC market has always been this way in a sense. Technology progresses only as fast as the profit remains high.

[way2ez4u]

YOUR P-4 still beats them. You cannot make that statement about every P4, because what are they clocking to on average with decent air cooling? Certainly not 3.9ghz.

A sub-100$ 2600+ Mobile XP, and you can bank on hitting 2.5ghz every time. In real world performance, this should equate to a substantially overclocked P4, give or take depending on application. Somebody going the XP-M route just saved themselves 70$. It's up to the buyer to decide if that 70$ is worth the tradeoff in performance in certain areas compared to a P4.

A 75$ Nforce2 U400 motherboard is all that's needed to push the XP-M to the top. = More $ in the pocket.

I do not see how you can justify the extra cost of the P4. When you put the P4's pricing into perspective, you can get a faster A64 system for the same price (even with overclocking).. Of course, if all P4's were hitting 3.9ghz, well then I'd believe your story. Until then, it's exactly that.

To me I relate it to foreign and domestic cars. Intel cpus tend to hold there resale value better than AMD cpus. Many times you can buy a brand new intel chip and use it for a little while and sell it (on ebay for example) close to what you paid for it. AMD chips tend to loose their value faster after you buy them.
Just my observation.

[KeepItCool101]

just think of it this way.. maybe you can have this with a brand new mobo with PCI-E and DDR2 D:

[falltime]

WHAT ARE WE ARGUING ABOUT??? I have and love my p4, and I just recommended to my friend that he buy an a64 3200+. I think its best to keep an open mind and keep things in perspective. I video edit, he plays games. My business partner has a a64 3500+ and we both rendered the same 32 second clip with several effects in Premiere Pro (optimized for HT), honestly, there was a very noticeable difference (in my favor), and working around in premiere pro/after effects/vegas video generally seems to a little more seamless on my machine. However Farcry does have a slightly higher FPS on his machine ...... either way, so what???? both are great cpus. that’s my 2 pennies.

[Imperial]

The past month or two hasn't been very good for Intel.:(