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i just got my waterblock, can someone show me a pic of the inside of a TC-4? i cant find any searhing the forums or google....
these bards look awfuly small too, i thought i ordered 1/2" barbs
JFettig
08-10-04, 04:34 PM
go to d-tek customs and look at their pictures. basicly I think its 3/8" channels in a squaired N type pattern.(not diagonal)
Jon
their pics make it look almost as if the water has to travel in an N like pattern...my waterblock is the same, only the water doesnt have to travel in the N patter. it even has the copper coils...i'm working on uploading a pic, it should be at www.freewebs.com/como/wb.jpg in a few mins...
my freewebs is being dumb, hopefully my first attatchment worked.
greenman100
08-10-04, 08:34 PM
on a side note, since I don't really know the point of this thread
why did you get a TC-4?
money...my entire setup will cost my less than $120 when done.
I'm going into college, just got my licence, and dont have a job.
oh, and the point is...is that a tc-4 or not? it looks liek the channels are different.
WejRepus
08-10-04, 10:20 PM
looks like a tc-4 to me
HiProfile
08-10-04, 11:07 PM
It almost looks like a TC-4 with some material removed to make it 3 channels all connected on both ends. Did you order a TC-4 from Dtek, another individual, small website, etc? I don't seem to understand whats going on here either...
JFettig
08-11-04, 04:55 PM
that is weird, I think it could just be the picture that makes it look funny.
Jon
WejRepus
08-11-04, 04:59 PM
after really looking at the picture on the dtek site, i think that the appearance that it goes in a "N" shape is just because of the barb... this would be a lot easier if someone here had one
i'm sure someone does, its a common block...or so i was told.
MY block, as far as i can tell, does have some material removed. but it doesnt look like that, it looks liek it was made like that. I'll google some more...
JFettig
08-11-04, 08:43 PM
thats weird, can you take a strait down shot of it? and you did get your block from d-tek?
Jon
i diddnt get it from dtek, and i cant get another shot, i'm attempting to leaktest it (buy i cant gemy my tubing act together)
it is mising the channel seperators though, it has the 3 lines with the copper coils in it, and all 3 connect at the top and at the bottom.
Senater_Cache
08-12-04, 11:22 AM
What yiou have is either a different model TC-4 than Dtek advertises on their website via the pic or you have an imitation.
If you look closely at the TC-4 on Dtek.com, you will notice th outer channel walls pertruding inward some, to create a sort of flow direction around the corners.
From what I can tell in your pic, your TC-4 is just a box with two fins in it. No curved walls found like in the dtek lock.
I may be wrong....
BTW, that which you supplyed is a horrible picture. Get a decent camera before posting pics.
SenC
greenman: perhaps he purchased it because it is a good price and is still competitive in terms of performance? no offence, but whever i read your posts you always seem to come off as a jerk.
as far as not fiinding pictures, just use google.
"dtek tc4 review" click the first site, links to the ipkonfig review of the block.
it's a plexi-top so you can see the internal channels and has some nice macro shots too.
i'm assuming you have the rev 2, as revision one hasn't been around for about 2 years now.
the block performs well, i have it in my main rig at home. i idle at 9-10 above ambient, and load at 14 c. above room temperature.
i have an eheim 1250, mobile barton currently at 1.775 and 230 x 11. all this with a single chevette core and a low rpm 120.
so greenman, does that answer your question about why he bought the block? it performs well and is cheap. enough said.
pics of tc4 revision 2 (http://www.ipkonfig.com/Reviews/LiquidCooling/Dtek-TC-4Rev2)
money...my entire setup will cost my less than $120 when done.
I'm going into college, just got my licence, and dont have a job.
oh, and the point is...is that a tc-4 or not? it looks liek the channels are different.
My entire system is less than 120 (about 110 total) and I am using a MCW6002-A, really nice block, you shouldn't sacrafice the quality of your waterblock for a low budget system.
My entire system is less than 120 (about 110 total) and I am using a MCW6002-A, really nice block, you shouldn't sacrafice the quality of your waterblock for a low budget system.
please post the entire system you built. i kinda doubt you got a complete system for 120$.
also, all blocks test within 5 c and the tc4 is somewhere around the middle, so at best you are 2.5 c better, not to mention your block is only 3/8 right?
the tc4 is a high flow block that can work with a coldplate/tec, and is good used in a gpu/cpu setup. whereas that swiftech is restrictive.
all said, different cooling loops all have advantages and disadvantages, and one cannot be deemed "better" because diferent user require different options.
congrats on taking the "plunge" so to say, and keep us posted with your results!
:clap:
SureFoot
08-12-04, 04:34 PM
Well, i have a TC-4 and it has definitely a "N" shaped channel, with kind of "ribs" on the walls, and coil turbulators.
The block shown in the photo above is *not* a TC-4...
nikhsub1
08-12-04, 04:47 PM
Como where did you get that block?
"please post the entire system you built. i kinda doubt you got a complete system for 120$."
Well, first off, my entire setup is as follows.
Tubing- Mcmaster-carr tubing. About $10
WB- Fake TC-4 . About $20.
Pump-Maxijet 1200. About $30
Rad-'77 Bonneville. About $21
Clamps/barbs-home depot. $8 so far, estimated 10-15 total.
that comes to $89 so far, and not much more in hte near future. All prices include shipping.
I do belive my block is 3/8 :( its 1/2" OD from what i can tell, i plan on drilling/tapping it to 1/2" ID later, when i can afford the stuff i need.
"BTW, that which you supplyed is a horrible picture. Get a decent camera before posting pics."
No offense, but i happen to have NO money. that picture is using hte webcam i bartered for a year ago, a usb webcam. Sory i cant live up to your expectiations, i just got my first job today and i have a $1500 bill die in three days for college, and i need $600 in books in two weeks. i'm not exactly floating in money, why do you think my WC setup is so cheap?
i got the block at www.case-mod.com./ it is NOT labeld a tc-4, its called a "Black top waterblock" or something.
http://www.case-mod.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=2_49_54&products_id=797
"The block utilizes additional ribs in the channels along with copper turbulator coils to greatly increase water to copper surface area, water velocity, and turbulance; this makes pumps flow more efficiently."
Someone told me that was exclusive to the TC-4, before i bought it and i was asking if it was one.
"My entire system is less than 120 (about 110 total) and I am using a MCW6002-A, really nice block, you shouldn't sacrafice the quality of your waterblock for a low budget system."
And to that i say, if i couldnt get a block for under $40, watercooling simply woldnt be an option. At all.
greenman100
08-12-04, 06:31 PM
greenman: perhaps he purchased it because it is a good price and is still competitive in terms of performance? no offence, but whever i read your posts you always seem to come off as a jerk.
the block performs well, i have it in my main rig at home. i idle at 9-10 above ambient, and load at 14 c. above room temperature.
i have an eheim 1250, mobile barton currently at 1.775 and 230 x 11. all this with a single chevette core and a low rpm 120.
so greenman, does that answer your question about why he bought the block? it performs well and is cheap. enough said.
The MCW6000 is about $15 more than a TC-4, and
As for a $120 system:
WW block: $50
Via Aqua 1300: $15
2-341 HC: $30
Clearflex60: $10
650 CFM blower: $15
Cardboard shroud
There's $120 for ya.
look
a TC-4 is fine, but upgrading to a better block is one of the cheapest ways to get better temps. Spending $15 on a better pump or heatercore or fanswill not yield the same 2-3C changes you'd see from going to a TC-4 to a WW/TDX/MCW6000
as for me being a jerk, honestly, if you don't like it, change your settings to ignore me and my posts
greenman100
08-12-04, 06:34 PM
if your block's barbs are 1/2" OD, it will fit 1/2" ID tubing.....
will fit, yes. will restrict flow as well.
and i paid $20 shipped for my WB, and theres no way to get a via aqua here for $15. i paid $30 for my 1200, shipping is hard to get cheap to here.
and as for hte blower for $15, i'm doing this for a quiet computer, not a "quiet when compared to an air compressor" computer...i want to hear my hard drives over my cpu cooling.
and then i've put $89 into my WC system so far.
to think i paid about $65 (including shipping)for my sp-97 when i built this computer...and another $15 on TIM
"a TC-4 is fine, but upgrading to a better block is one of the cheapest ways to get better temps. Spending $15 on a better pump or heatercore or fanswill not yield the same 2-3C changes you'd see from going to a TC-4 to a WW/TDX/MCW6000"
$50 for a 2-3C drop is simply outragous in my mind. if i'm gonna sink $50, i'm looking for a solid 10-15C minimum. Apparently nobody here was ever poor.
greenman100
08-12-04, 07:06 PM
I don't really think you understand.....
1/2" OD barbs were MEANT for 1/2"ID tubing...anything else is risky, either stretching the tube, or not tight enough, resulting in a leak.
My blower is about as loud as the fan in my PSU. Remember your torin at 12v? I can hear my HDs. The blower is on a separate PSU, and when I turn the computer on (witht he blower already on) I hear the HDs wind up
my Via Aqua was $7 new +$7 shipping (drsfostersmith with coupon code)
it's not $50 for a 2-3C drop...it's $20, $20 more than your TC-4 would have gotten you a MCW6000.
whoever
08-12-04, 07:45 PM
hat to but in but where the hell do you get a via 1300 for $15?! I can't fin one for $25 as dtek is sol out and everything else cost more!
greenman100
08-12-04, 07:54 PM
like I said in the post RIGHT before yours:
$12 at drs foster smith = $5 coupon code = $7+shipping
whoever
08-12-04, 08:06 PM
i just cheked and there price is $17, wheres this cupon code?
greenman100
08-12-04, 08:16 PM
used to be $12
and there's a coupon code as you check out, before you pay, at least there used to be, it was something like "as seen on TV"
if not there should one in the watercooling stickies
no disrespect to you, welcome to the fooums and all, but do a search, man, the answers are here
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1/2" OD barbs were MEANT for 1/2"ID tubing...anything else is risky, either stretching the tube, or not tight enough, resulting in a leak."
yeah, i know. i'm using a 3/4" t fitting for a t line, this tube can stretch. I'm looking to stretch it, it makes a better fit. Besides, a 1/2" OD fitting is far too smal inside.
Back to the topic, this is getting to be an argument.
If this is not a TC-4, that answeres the question. End of desussion before it turns ugly...because i cant help but make clear my point of view.
my 1200 was $20, and $10 for shipping. diddnt find a coupon, so i paid $30.
and my torin at 12V was WAY to loud. thats why its dead now, i tried to quiet it. computers shouldnt make this much noise, i dont care how overclocked they are.
greenman100
08-12-04, 08:57 PM
I couldn't hear my torin at 12v, much less 7v
maybe yours was defective?
my girlfriend's Dell is signifigantly louder than my current computer
Senater_Cache
08-13-04, 12:56 AM
greenman: perhaps he purchased it because it is a good price and is still competitive in terms of performance? no offence, but whever i read your posts you always seem to come off as a jerk.
lol
"BTW, that which you supplyed is a horrible picture. Get a decent camera before posting pics.
I apologize for that...wasnt aware of your situation. However spending $120 or $89 or whateverTF , is a lot of money, I can get a one-way camera with digital support for $10 q Walgreens buddy. Maybe you should just relax a bit with comenting on my expectations and such.
Also my expectations for that setup of your are pretty respectable temps, however that crap TC-4 is going to hold you back. Having no money is no excuse for making badly researched purchasing decisions. Frankly put, you should have went for a better block. more of a long term investment block. TC-4 is already outdated. Even the lumpy channel Wb beats the living daylights outtta that TC-4 and would have cost you the less to reproduce.
SenC.
the tc-4 shouldnt hold be back much, theres not much difference between any block...theres only so much heat difference you can get with a copper block that has water running through it.
Besides, untill i can get a respectable pump, my waterflow setup will be rather resticted by other things, like the way i have to mount my pump, and the res its going ot have to be in. (i cannot get the pipe leak-free on the outlet, and thepumps design wont let it stay leak free for long...its gonna have to be submerged)
I Honestly think my waterblock was a good choice...especially for the price. i have $1 left now, and only a half tank of gas...any more spent i wouldnt have made it to an interview, and i would have a lot less than $1.
gotta keep in mind, this is a budget system. i couldnt even afford a gpu block!
Cyrix_2k
08-13-04, 02:00 PM
the tc-4 shouldnt hold be back much, theres not much difference between any block...theres only so much heat difference you can get with a copper block that has water running through it.
Besides, untill i can get a respectable pump, my waterflow setup will be rather resticted by other things, like the way i have to mount my pump, and the res its going ot have to be in. (i cannot get the pipe leak-free on the outlet, and thepumps design wont let it stay leak free for long...its gonna have to be submerged)
I Honestly think my waterblock was a good choice...especially for the price. i have $1 left now, and only a half tank of gas...any more spent i wouldnt have made it to an interview, and i would have a lot less than $1.
gotta keep in mind, this is a budget system. i couldnt even afford a gpu block!The TC-4 is still a very nice block, and will work wonders with the pump you selected. That pic of your TC-4 looks like it was modified... Hope it ok for you.
::edit:: Maybe your TC-4 is fine... I can't tell 'cause the pic I'm looking at has it's barbs blocking part of the internals... http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=21
the tc4 is an awesome block for the money, look at my sig.
i'm on a tc4 and have no problems, i can max out my mobile and still load at 50 celcius (~2730 and 2.0 volts).
overclocking has alot more to do with skill than buying the "right" stuff and just slapping it together.
jamesavery22
08-13-04, 02:10 PM
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I Honestly think my waterblock was a good choice...especially for the price. i have $1 left now, and only a half tank of gas...any more spent i wouldnt have made it to an interview, and i would have a lot less than $1.
gotta keep in mind, this is a budget system. i couldnt even afford a gpu block!
No offense but if I had 1$ to my name I wouldnt be worried about cooling a computer...
Atleast you are going to an interview though.
Cyrix_2k
08-13-04, 03:21 PM
No offense but if I had 1$ to my name I wouldnt be worried about cooling a computer...
Atleast you are going to an interview though.
I have -$40 to my name and I'm still (trying to...) buy(ing) stuff...
The TC-4 is fine. I've had this same chip cooled under multiple different loops including a tc-4 r2. My current setup beats my tc4 setup (keep in mind I changed the pump and rad also) by about 7c~. What did this achieve? A lower number in mbm and 0mhz :p. Of course this varies from system to system but sometimes 2-3c isn't worth an extra 20$.
"No offense but if I had 1$ to my name I wouldnt be worried about cooling a computer..."
LOL! actually i just found this cool thing at VIP for 99 cents...after scrounginf i found a nickle...anyways i havew a few pennys to my name now.
And the interview was monday, the second one was today, and my orientation is tuesday...woo, a job!
Oh, the 99 cent thing...its like a magnet on a retractable antennae type deal. 2' extended, pretty good magnet. good for the screws i keep dropping in the baseboard :-P
and my computer is idle at 40C right now, with an sp-97. i'm verry worried about cooling my computer!
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