Which one should i buy?

[Newguy123]

Hello,

I just wanted to hear some peoples opinions on this,

I am in the middle of deciding which one to buy, a AMD 1.4gig CPU or a water cooling system? And could someone recommend me a good and cheap water cooling system if possible? with the whole setup so all i need to do is hook it up and add water.

Thanks

Newguy123

[train22]

even the premaid kits aren't that easy, you have to know how it works so you can customize it to fit your case, that's why you didn't buy a dell isn't it? So you would be in controll of what goes inside the case... and anyway all the watercooling kits have flaws, some are good but expensive, you should really learn what it is and how it's done, then you'll be able to buy your own parts which will work much better. You should also know that HSF may sometimes be better than watercooling. You need to think about a lot of aspects here, sometimes temps won't go down at all, somtimes they will go down 5C more, many dependencies.

[Richard]

If you want a turn-key watercooling system you're going to end up spending a pretty penny.

One thing about watercooling is it isn't something to go into lightly. Once the novelty of it wears off you'll still be left with an older CPU. Watercooling, IMO, is something that you should only do if you: a) have a distinct need (ex: noise, peltier) b) are willing to spend the time/money to do it right.

For what it's worth, a good heatsink like the Thermalright SK-6 will allow a 1.4 GHz Tbird to realize its potential. You'll definitely have to deal with more noise per MHz than you would with watercooling, but the cost is much less. Not to mention space requirements.

Assuming I haven't completely turned you off to watercooling I suggest at the very least selecting a good waterblock. DangerDen has some of the best. Of course, they also offer complete kits as well (sans case.) If you're looking for a complete all-in-one kit Swifttech has some great kits as well. (Pricey.)

http://www.dangerden.com/
http://www.swiftnets.com/

If there's one thing I'd like to emphasize is that you shouldn't try to go too cheap with watercooling. Things like pumps, radiators, blocks, may seem expensive at first, but they're doubly so if you have to purchase a better one because your first one craps out or proves to be inadequate for the job.

[Newguy123]

Thanks for the feedback guys,

I have a peltier laying around here i havent used it because i have heard that it can cause debre or something like that and make water. I have a AlphaPal 6035 heatsink and fan. My CPU is at 50C about 55Full load but thats not overclocked. When you mean A. noise you mentioned peltier. Meaning that if i get that peltier to run in my system i would get good cooling results along with less noise.?
Can someone give a good run down on what all i would need to do to get that peltier working.
How safe is it to run a peltier? And how would i stop it from getting that debre into the CPU so i dont get water in there to fry it?

Thanks

Newguy123

[Richard]

When I mentioned noise & peltier I meant to say that there are multiple valid reasons for going the watercooled route. Not necessarily that the two go hand in hand.

Hmm... The peltier thing is a whole new ball-game. That introduces a lot more complexity in building a rig. Especially, when combining it with an AMD CPU. There are several factors that need to be taken into consideration.

My advice is to forget about the peltier for the time being.

Assuming you do get the watercooling going successfully. Then you can start thinking about adding a peltier into the mix. Something to keep in mind is that peltiers don't make an appreciable difference in overclocking AMD Tbird CPUs. Take the Kryotech (phase change cooling) system for example. Kryotech is selling 1.866 GHz Tbird rigs. Now this is with a very expensive cooler that Kryotech is getting those results. For much much less money you can air-cool a Tbird and get 1.6-1.7 GHz pretty reliably. With watercooling you have a very good chance of 1.6-1.7 GHz.

Now let's assume you want to go the peltier route. First of all, if you're planning on using a Tbird CPU you're looking at a very large peltier (likely larger than the one you currently have). This usually means you'll need to add another rather expensive power supply into the mix. Depending on the type of peltier you'll probably be looking at $100 or more for just the power supply.

Next, condensation is indeed an issue when using peltiers. If you go below ambient temperatures condensation is an issue. Proper insulation is paramount. Not just to prevent condensation, but also to get the maximum from your peltier.

Ultimately, you'll end up spending more to go the peltier route than if you just went ahead and ponied up the cash for a VapoChill system or Kryotech system. I know there are people that will disagree with that, but I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt. The real kicker is that chaces are you won't be able to get the same performance as the Vapochill or Kryotech unit.

Yes, I am a party-pooper. :(

Now. Having said all those things about peltiers I must be honest that they are fun to play with. I just want you to understand what you're up against. Many people have successfully integrated peltiers into their Tbird rigs. (Many have failed as well.)


Originally posted by Newguy123
Thanks for the feedback guys,

I have a peltier laying around here i havent used it because i have heard that it can cause debre or something like that and make water. I have a AlphaPal 6035 heatsink and fan. My CPU is at 50C about 55Full load but thats not overclocked. When you mean A. noise you mentioned peltier. Meaning that if i get that peltier to run in my system i would get good cooling results along with less noise.?
Can someone give a good run down on what all i would need to do to get that peltier working.
How safe is it to run a peltier? And how would i stop it from getting that debre into the CPU so i dont get water in there to fry it?

Thanks

Newguy123

[Newguy123]

I am not sure of how big the peltier is that is on my desk but i can give you some numbers and maybe you might know how man watts it is. Its a Melcor PT8-12-40, P/N 70600-45-01. What side of the Peltier goes onto the die of the cpu is it the Writing side facing the cpu and the blank side up touching the Heatsink?

Do all Peltiers work on AMD or do you need to get a certain size?

I live in a pretty dry climate in CA.

Newguy123

[Richard]

Here's your TEC listed on Melcor's site.
It appears to be a 72 watt.

http://www.melcor.com/ptseries.htm

Unfortunately, you really won't be doing much good with a 72 watt peltier on a Tbird CPU. It's likely that you'd end up just creating a very inefficient heatsink. Your temps would be worse than if you'd just left the peltier out of the picture.

When dealing with monster CPUs you need monster peltiers. 120+ watts are the entry fee for Tbirds. You can run peltiers in a series, but we start running into space constraints and sheer cost effectiveness. Like I mentioned previously, you have to weigh how much better an overclock you're getting for all this money and effort.

If you still want to pursue peltiers as an option. Might I suggest http://www.tedist.com/ They have some monster peltiers that you might be interested in.

Take note that you'll need a power supply capable of powering these bad boys.




Originally posted by Newguy123
I am not sure of how big the peltier is that is on my desk but i can give you some numbers and maybe you might know how man watts it is. Its a Melcor PT8-12-40, P/N 70600-45-01. What side of the Peltier goes onto the die of the cpu is it the Writing side facing the cpu and the blank side up touching the Heatsink?

Do all Peltiers work on AMD or do you need to get a certain size?

I live in a pretty dry climate in CA.

Newguy123

[Newguy123]

I have a 800mhz Tbrid with a asus A7V mobo i did that voltage mod works pretty well. I cannot get my computer to post at 900 or 950 for some reason but when i bump it up to 10.0X multiplyer it works just fine but runs Way too hot thats why i was thinking of trying out this peltier. So you say 75 watts is not enough for a 800mhz at 1.93vcore because my heatsink and fan alone do a pretty nice job during the winter but now its summer and its way to hot to keep it at that vcore and have the temps stay at 50c. My power supply is a 300 watt power supply.

I have a old 250watt power supply just hanging around do you think i can just plug that in and not connect it to anything and just strip the wires off one of the cables and run the peltier off that or does it need to be on the same system that the power supply is being ran off.?

Thanks for the info

Newguy123