Arctic Silver2 = No change from the white stuff

[Bakkteria]

Yep, followed the instructions to the letter and...drumroll... I have the exact same temps as with the radio shack thermal compound. I don't know why I get suckered by the friggin bandwagon. Glad I only paid 5 bucks for this stuff. At least it's not worse than the radio shack stuff. So, 2 degrees decrease huh people? Yeah, whatever. Waited for the miraculous 48 hour cure and it's the same. Yes. it's the real stuff, yes, it's paper thin, yes the golden gate is lapped, no it's not "contaminated". I may seem kinda ****ed. Well, it's because when I get suckered by the "sounds too good to be true" stuff I wanna kick myself. Why didn't I listen to Kyle? PIII 700@933 1.8v 78F mobo and 77F Cpu at idle now. Yeah, Radio Shack was the same. Don't bother with all the excuses of how I must have screwed it up. Gimme a "G" for gullible. :rolleyes:

[Richard]

Sounds to me like you just did a very good job.

Expensive Thermal Compound isn't going to work miracles. You'll mostly see a benefit of thermal compound in a worst case scenario. Something like a poorly machined heatsink combined with a high wattage CPU.

Besides, is it really that big of a loss? It's not like it's $5 an application. If you bought a tube of ASII you probably have enough compound for years to come.

[Bakkteria]

wood71 I don't give a rat's @ss what you call me. I do think some people are FOS when it comes to making spectacular claims about miracle products. It could be that I'm tired from loading sound for 3doors down all day. I could become irrational. Temps are now 80Fmobo 78Fcpu. Well, yeah that aint bad. But it aint better. Love, peace and stuffs.

[bdf24]

Yeah, I've always steered away from buying AS or ASII as well. But finally broke down and got some. My temps did'nt change one degree either. Oh well, At least I know I've got good cooling all around though.

[train22]

calm down people, this stuff isn't the best anymore anyways, and I dunno where you read about ASII being a whole lot better. It's only suppose to be 1C better than tha Radio Shack stuff and it's not a rule written in stone but just what most peolpe got. Did any1 try the nano-stuff? That stuff is damn expensive

[Bakkteria]

Originally posted by train22
calm down people, this stuff isn't the best anymore anyways, and I dunno where you read about ASII being a whole lot better. It's only suppose to be 1C better than tha Radio Shack stuff and it's not a rule written in stone but just what most peolpe got. Did any1 try the nano-stuff? That stuff is damn expensive

"...2 to 7 degrees centigrade lower CPU core temperatures than other thermal compounds." Well that is from the AS website. Do I really need to paste some from message boards and "reviews"?

[Colin]

Bakkteria - Intel processors go into a true idle state. You won't see any difference between generic white goop and Artic Silver until the processor is under load.

[jbell]

Ok who really cares? so your not happy with it... there are plaenty of other 'fish' in the sea. have fun fishing and cut back on those beers. We are all here to learn not to bicker and claw at each other.

[Mord-Sith]

LoL its getting a little to [H]ot in here for me. You guys are coming realy close to personal attacks. Would71 you know better, step back like an adult and let him throw a tantrum.

Bakkteria dont you think it would be a much better idea to complain to the manufacturer then to blame a forum? It would have been much better to write up a valid complaint so others who might be interested in this product steer clear of it. Instead you voice you opinion in a hostile maner towards people that could possible help you.

[train22]

Bakkteria can you please take your whines to the "Gripes and Moans" section?
Don't take this as an offense or anything, I'm sure you are just having a bad day or somthing.

ps.. I dunno your income but how much will 5 bucks hurt you?

[Colin]

Bakkteria - You never responded to the idle temp issue. Think of it this way. You have a Corvette and a Hundai. Which one is faster? Assuming automatic transmissions, take your foot off the brake and let them idle away. Which one is faster? You are not going to know unless you test them at full throttle. The same goes for thermal compounds and CPUs.

jbell - John Bell? Welcome to the forums!

[Paiynn]

I've used AS a handful of times, sometimes the temps drop a degree or 2, sometimes they don't. BFD, I'll continue to use it.

[Newbie_Doo]

Allright boys, time to chill. There are to be no personal attacks here. Everybody, take a deep breath, OK?

I have done some editing to this thread. Please keep it civil. If your post is changed or missing, blame me. Keep it on point, and not personal, and everybody will be just fine.

Anthony

[Hookem]

Well Bakkteria you should have gotten the Antec Artic Silver...supposed to lower your CPU temps by 100% and is only 12.00.....LOL just KIDDING !!!!! Well atleast reading this thread has been intresting to say the very least:mad: :rolleyes: :D

[Hookem]

Make that Antec Reference Silver Compound.....and drum roll please...you really need one of those chicks that's on the price is right to fondle it while its being described...made with 99% pure micronized silver to transfer heat from you processor...75 to 80% silver content by weight...extended temperature limits -60 to 170c...thermal conductivity 8.2 W/m K...thermal resistance 0.0022 C/W...all this with negiligible electrical conductivity...and for the bargin basment price of only 9.95...NOW that's the ole dog and pony show...And its a nice pretty silver color and everything !!!
In the imortal words of Jimi Hendrix "you cant believe everything you hear and see now.... can you ???

[Naeleros]

Why didn't I listen to Kyle? PIII 700@933 1.8v 78F mobo and 77F Cpu at idle now. Yeah, Radio Shack was the same. Don't bother with all the excuses of how I must have screwed it up. Gimme a "G" for gullible.

What are you testing your temperatures with? If I had to guess.. I would say you are using the sensor in your mobo socket? If so.. you can throw out everything you think you have figured out up till here. Those onboard sensors are certainly not reliable enough to depend on.

You might be thinking that you would see an improvement in your core temperature if there was one anyway, right? Using a socket sensor? Nope.. not necessarily. Keep in mind.. socket sensors only check the air temperature of the area just below the core... they don't actually check the core.

I'm not sure what type of sensors P3's use .. but.. I'm just guessing its similar to my TBird. If you want to read more about TBird sensors .. check out Swiftech's site. It should be able to explain the problems with those sensors.

James

p.s. Feel free to jump and scream/flame if I am mistaken about the way you are checking your temps.. or if its different for P3's. Won't make me feel a bit worse.. and might make you feel better :)

[dimmreaper]

As Colin has state, you have to test under full load.

But also, heatsink compond makes the biggest difference in "high differential" situations, such as those that occure with smokin hot 50W+ CPUs, or with peltiers. A 30W Intel CPU hardly calls for good heatsink compound, and as such I never use it on Intel CPUs.

[docJ]

To get the best results from anything, all the parts must work
at peak performance. I did not get the best results form AS2,
until I lapped my HS. Found it was not flat! After lapping, I got
a 2C drop in temp from lapping and 3C from AS2. Not bad for
a total of 1hr of work.

[Hookem]

By lapping do you mean taking Clove automotive valve lapping compound...you know that grey pasty looking stuff in the little green can with course on one side and fine on the other...taking a piece of glass with and applying lapping compound on the glass and then lapping the contact area of the heatsink...We used to do this to the cylinder heads on dirt bikes...If not could you please explain "lapping"

[Random Nonsense]

The lapping everyone is on about here isnt proper lapping (or at least how i understand it) what they are doing is sanding the bottom of the heatsink to make sure its a very flat surface, using very fine sandpaper. Ideally the die of the CPU should also have this done to it, but i believe its quite likely you can break it by doing that.... anyone with 1st hand experiance explain it better?

[jbell]

colin - no man it is JOE bell and thank you - this is a very interesting place!

[Mord-Sith]

Originally posted by Random Nonsense
The lapping everyone is on about here isnt proper lapping (or at least how i understand it) what they are doing is sanding the bottom of the heatsink to make sure its a very flat surface, using very fine sandpaper. Ideally the die of the CPU should also have this done to it, but i believe its quite likely you can break it by doing that.... anyone with 1st hand experiance explain it better?

You pretty much nailed it. I dont do it to make sure my HSF is flat I just do it to make it smoother.

[docJ]

Flatness is as important as smoothness. If it is not flat you could
have high spots which could have air gaps or thicker heatsink
compound, which will lower the thermal conductivity of the interface.

[Hookem]

Well the "lapping" procedure I reffered to will assure you of having a absolutely flat surface...After milling the head we would further finish the head surface using the glass and lapping compound...If you want an absolutely flat surface this procedure will work very well...:D

[Bakkteria]

Well this just sucks. Not only do I have to eat my words but I owe some apologies. It took nearly a week to see a difference but wow what a drop. I'm seeing nearly 10 degrees F lower temps. I mean I actually had to check and make sure my thermistor was in the right spot. Idle is now 87F mobo and 82F cpu. At load 95F mobo and 95F Cpu. Actually my mobo temps are higher than before due to the Golden Gate putting out so much more heat. With the shack stuff it was typically Cpu= 10 Degrees over mobo temp at load. Now the temps are equal at load. Instead of a 48 hour set-in mine took a week to see the improvements. Next the vid card is getting some of this stuff.

[Colin]

Sucks? Sounds like good news to me. Glad it's working for your and that you are man enough to post the facts. Thanks for the report.

[Crazy Jayhawk]

Originally posted by Would71
I am sensing a personal agenda at work here.. (no, not my own, either) !

Shocking... like peeing on your motherboard. :p

Don't mind me. I finally got my computer fixed and so I'm a bit giddy.

[Colin]

I think the good news near the end of this thread deserves a bump.

[Nevin]

Bakkteria,

Now you know why I hate tests where they put on one compound for 20 minutes then another compound for 20 minutes.

The break-in on Arctic Silver II can be dramatic and short term tests miss it.

Nevin
Arctic Silver, Inc.

[Bakkteria]

Truly you should change "up to 48 hours" to "at least 48 hours".