"Hammer Hybrids" Ed Stroligo - 8/28/04

[deathstar13]

ok the initial article was basically read just for my general knowledge.
then ed hit apon useing that second agp slot for a 4gig Solid state hdd and i about flipped! im so happy i emailed him and im doing this post too.
this,if ever implemented would be about the biggest and best upgrade to hit the PC scene i can remember.
btw speed is everything to me.and yes i still believe raid0 is faster than single drives and im not gonna discuss that here.

here is what i sent ED:
hi ED.
i go by Deathstar13 in the oc.com forums just for referance.
but anyhow i read the article and you brought a smile a mile wide to my face!
i use intel 478/prescotts ATM. and see no reason to upgrade yet.
but ive been investing and continue to do so in the storage area for
space and speed.
i use 2X36gb raptors in raid0 now.
im adding 2x18GB scsi 15k scsi drives in raid0 for my OS part by part
due to cost.

so i think you see im willing and ready to spend money for speed in
the hard drive scene.
this new edition will cost me $500 minamum for 36gb of space but fast speeds.
now i look at 4GB of ram disk for $1000 and all i can say is "I WANT IT NOW!!"

ive been wanting this solid state ram drive ever since i jioned oc.com
forums 3 or 4 years ago when 4 GB cost about $5,000 then and even at
that wasnt great due to the pci bus bandwith.

ok so i know you didnt ask for a survey about upgrade times or
platforms like you somtimes do.

but if this board with 939 cpu and dual agp hit the market and
ability to run a 4gb solid state drive in the agp slot. id say it was
the best upgrade i ever made in my life!

push it, beg them, pray even i dont care what or how its done i want
this setup and i think you do to!

ok im gonna settledown and stop foaming at the mouth but really 4gb
SSD for $1000 may sound expensive to most but to me is a bargain. i
can see the memory makers making a bundle and costs really going down
after a bit of time.

ty don

[chillipants]

just a thought, they got this the wrong way round. It should be made as a smokin 939 mobo but able to use the agp slot for socket A\754 until 939 costs hit an afordable level.
just my 2 cents worth.

[JoT]

I had that same thought when I read the article. If it was like that, I might just buy.

[deathstar13]

just a thought, they got this the wrong way round. It should be made as a smokin 939 mobo but able to use the agp slot for socket A\754 until 939 costs hit an afordable level.
just my 2 cents worth.its useless to us in either 754 or 939 state when used on the agp as ed stated, the bandwith just isnt there.

make it a 939 mobo single socket and use the agp for Solid State Drive and then implement pci-e for graphics.

now this also isnt to say intel cant use dual 16x pci-e slots 1 for gfx and 1 for SSD

are me and ed the only ones who understand the value of SSD's?

i understand people wanting more cpu power and for later when cheaper prices arrive be able to use it then.
but cpu power doesnt give the speed increases a SSD system can deliver.

one day we will all look back and see just how dumb hard drives are and how slow they actually are.
the hdd has always been refered to as a record player that records,and it is.
we need out of the stone ages.and until we have SSD in effect faster systems just dont even make sense.everything is being slowed down,and bottlenecked at the hard drives.
storage still makes sense to keep on a hdd.



also just a little experiment:
do some tests and and run your main rig on a ata 66 5400rpm drive for 1 week,then swap it out.
replace it with 2-scsi 15k rpm raid0 drives and then tell me the "WHOLE SYSTEM" just seem to speed up by 5x.

that is the same exact feel you would get from a rig going from 2-scsi 15k rpm raid0 drives to a SSD and it would feel another 5X faster.

[JoT]

I understand the significance of SSD, but you missed our ideas. Rather than have a Socket A board with an extension for Hammer, have a Hammer board with an extension for Socket A. Would be much more fluid, IMO.

[deathstar13]

I understand the significance of SSD, but you missed our ideas. Rather than have a Socket A board with an extension for Hammer, have a Hammer board with an extension for Socket A. Would be much more fluid, IMO.yes i did and that does make sense. wouldnt be crippled as bad running a socket A in the agp slot and then pop a 939 in the normal cpu place.

but i have a feeling it isnt possible to run that way.i think somehow that "normal" cpu slot has to be occupied first and then the agp slot added with secondary cpu. especially with the A64 having the NB on-chip and the socket A needing one on the mobo.

but i dont see why it wouldnt work with a 754 in the agp and a 939 normal postion.

i just see much more potential to be gained as ed stated looking into the SSD possiblities.

[ogboot]

the whole design reminds me of a mac. at work we have terminals that have windows XP loaded on a flash card connected to an IDE interface, i've been trying to get one of those from our computer tech for months :D