View Full Version : Switching from Intel to AMD - What surprises might I encounter?
Son of Orb
08-30-01, 06:21 PM
I just ordered an AMD 1.4ghz Tbird, 256MB of PC2100 DDR Ram, and a DFI AK76-SN mainboard. I haven't even received the new stuff and yet the surprises are already starting. I found out that the newest Athlon chips are real power hungry. I had to order a 400Watt powersupply that was AMD approved because everyone told me the 250 I had wouldn't cut it. When I upgrade I plan to keep my Geforce 2 Ultra and Soundblaster Live cards. My question to you, the informed members of overlockers.com, is what other surprises can I expect when I get the new system built? I've heard that some compatibility issues with certain video cards still exist and that sometimes the motheboards needs to be tweaked in order to get DDR ram to run at full speed. Anything you guys can add that will prepare me for the upgrade would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks.
oc jason
08-30-01, 07:17 PM
well first of all the prices are a good surprise, also no multiplier lock, and youll see that a AMD is way faster then the INtel even the 1.8gig is slower then the 1.4 youre gonna get
You now have a tiny furnace living inside your case. Treat it as such, or you will get burned. (Actually it will, and the scorch marks will prove it). What kind of heatsink are you getting?
Son of Orb
08-30-01, 09:16 PM
A Super Orb
in reply to your question.... you'll need a bigger/better h/f for your tbird, and....sometimes...a 300watt ps just isnt enough, for what your system has, so you might wanna get something slightly bigger.....
I know this isnt directly about the post...but IM ****ed!
god! I'm about to snap!!!!! why is evryone dising intel? "oh yeah amd cheaper, way fasterblah blah blah" god!!!! you are comparing the tbird to a p4..which right now I do have to agree sucks...but...you act like the p4..will always be slower?? Wait a little while and we will see, when the software companies invest in the p4, making their software exclusively for the p4..and say good bye tbird!!! I have both, and I'm not too biased, but when it comes to all these people saying this and that about intel...it just ****es me off!! they are more expensive, but they can get away with it.....people who really want the performance..will be glad to pay the extra buck for intel...I'm not saying amd is bad...(its my current work horse) who has the share of the market...who is more dominant......hmmm not amd..thats why intel has their prices soo high...but they are starting to drop a little..we are making progress here!
If it weren't for amd, intel would still have their prices super high.
Amd has forced them to bring prices down to a more reasonable level.
It's called competition.
Son of Orb
08-30-01, 09:51 PM
I ordered a 400 Watt AMD approved powersupply. That should be plenty right?
First I'd avoid all orbs like the plague they are. They're show sinks, not performers. If you want window dressing that can't take the heat (and therefore should definately get out of the kitchen) then get an orb, if you want something that works then I suggest getting an "ANYTHING BUT AN ORB".
Second, as per your title question, you can expect the common man to have trouble understanding your superior intellect.
Welcome to the next level, brother! :D
GuNRocK
08-30-01, 10:02 PM
I strongly oppose against the orb.....i dont care how much they say its good...its realy pure crap....if your not planning to overclock it get a Volcano II its supsoed to be able 1.5Ghz but i would recommend paying some money for a good one....look at tomshardware or overclockers.com the heatsinkfan round ups they do...u can find out what ones are good...
Cupdeez
08-30-01, 10:12 PM
AMD only has 2 problems heat and power but anything bigger then a 300 watt power supply is fine... the good thing about amd is that the DDR is way cheaper then the Rdram and it almost out does the Rdram.. the other thing is that the 1.4 is so cheap compaird to the 1.7 pen 4... for price and preformance you can't beat AMD right now... O'ya orbs do suck volcano II is good water cooling is better and injoy your new box
Hugo 59
08-30-01, 10:16 PM
Please for the love of God Man don't get the Orb:) There are a lot of good heatsinks out there but the orb I just wouldn't.
if money is a problem or anything atleast get the Golden Gate it is cheap and it provides great cooling
Forman will you read the verdict...
...Your honor, we find the orb cooler guilty of being an inferior product!
Very well, I hereby sentence all orbs to be scorned by the masses! Take them away bailiff.
No one I know of has a good opinion of orbs and for the record, I'm using a Volcano II which is made by the same company that makes orbs so it isn't a case of having a grudge against a certain manufacturer.
Son of Orb
08-30-01, 11:08 PM
All the parts are already ordered. The reason I got the Orb, as opposed to another cooler, is because I got the guy to throw it in. I read some reports on the super orb and none of them said it was the most exceptional nor did they say it was terrible. I don't plan on doing any overclocking. It's already running at 1.4ghz for goodness sakes. If it does the job thats all I care about.
Originally posted by Son of Orb
The reason I got the Orb, as opposed to another cooler, is because I got the guy to throw it in
And now may I suggest you throw it out. If it's free than at least it didn't cost you anything (as long as your chip doesn't fry under it). I'd watch the temps closely with more than one temp checking program just to be safe, if it's ok then hey, you got something for nothing! Otherwise at least you'll know that the orb won't do what you need done and you can put the money you saved on not paying for the orb into buying some other kind of sink and put the orb on your northbridge (will a SUPER orb fit people? I'm not sure).
Originally posted by Son of Orb
I don't plan on doing any overclocking
Ok, ok, ok, ok, ok, wait....
....hold on I think I get where he's coming from, wait....
....ahhh....
huh????? What? Who?
Well now I'm just lost about this.
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Originally posted by Son of Orb
All the parts are already ordered. The reason I got the Orb, as opposed to another cooler, is because I got the guy to throw it in. I read some reports on the super orb and none of them said it was the most exceptional nor did they say it was terrible. I don't plan on doing any overclocking. It's already running at 1.4ghz for goodness sakes. If it does the job thats all I care about.
I think the ORB might be able to keep your T-Bird from burning up, but your temps will be high. I still think you should get another cooler, because the ORB's are also known as CPU killer, because they have a very bad mounting system. I have killed a Duron, when I tried to mount a ORb. I know I'm not the only one who has chipped an AMD CPU with an ORB.
All I'm saying is don't kill your brand new CPU, because of a bad cooler, it's not worth it, believe me!
Cocytus
08-31-01, 06:38 AM
I have to agree with them on the orb. A buddy of mine broke his 1ghz t-bird when he was trying to mount it and about 2 seconds after that the orb took a short flight out of the third floor of his apartment.
Get rid of the orb, it chipped my Tbird 850, it still works thank god. But get an SK6, it lowered my temps by 10c, that's alot, just ask anyone here. I have a P4 and Tbird. Both are good in there own way. P4 will have apps written for, AMD will seem slower after that. But I just play games, so AMD runs my games better.
Originally posted by Son of Orb
A Super Orb
A superorb wont be able too cool ur 1.4g. Dont even try using it, since so many ppl have kille theyr cpus with it. Get a hsw like sk6, globalwin wbk38, cak38, swiftech or glaciator. Dont use any orbs on that.
Originally posted by arf325
in reply to your question.... you'll need a bigger/better h/f for your tbird, and....sometimes...a 300watt ps just isnt enough, for what your system has, so you might wanna get something slightly bigger.....
I know this isnt directly about the post...but IM ****ed!
god! I'm about to snap!!!!! why is evryone dising intel? "oh yeah amd cheaper, way fasterblah blah blah" god!!!! you are comparing the tbird to a p4..which right now I do have to agree sucks...but...you act like the p4..will always be slower?? Wait a little while and we will see, when the software companies invest in the p4, making their software exclusively for the p4..and say good bye tbird!!! I have both, and I'm not too biased, but when it comes to all these people saying this and that about intel...it just ****es me off!! they are more expensive, but they can get away with it.....people who really want the performance..will be glad to pay the extra buck for intel...I'm not saying amd is bad...(its my current work horse) who has the share of the market...who is more dominant......hmmm not amd..thats why intel has their prices soo high...but they are starting to drop a little..we are making progress here!
Why the he*l shouldnt he buy a tbird??? Faster, CHEAPER and more stable!! It dosen look like the intel 2ghz gonna be cheaper than an amd1.4 ever!! u will atleast a 2ghz p4 to get the same performance as a tbird!!
WHy should he wait on intel?? they have been more expensive for years now so why should they suddently get cheaper than tbird??
The palomino is out soon also which will again beat the CRAP out of any intel cpus out there.
ppl who are buying a less performance chip which is more expensive must be kinda stupid.
Sure im buying an intel if they were cheaper and faster than a tbird but they arent not even with aps that are optimized for it, they still arent faster.
The ghz numbers on the p4 is just to fool newbies, when they does less work pr cpu cycle than an athlon on the same clockspeed
Originally posted by Son of Orb
All the parts are already ordered. The reason I got the Orb, as opposed to another cooler, is because I got the guy to throw it in. I read some reports on the super orb and none of them said it was the most exceptional nor did they say it was terrible. I don't plan on doing any overclocking. It's already running at 1.4ghz for goodness sakes. If it does the job thats all I care about.
i dont think the superorb is even rated for 1.4ghz is it?? U will atlest get 50-60c with that thing
I actually think the SuperOrb is rated to 1.5GHz. I can't figure out how they can make themself say that! :rolleyes: There is NO way A Super Orb would be able to keep a T-Bird @1.5GHz at decent temps!
Son of Orb
08-31-01, 02:20 PM
Is the stock amd heatsink/fan for the 1.4 ghz tbirds better than the super orb?
I think the mounting system is better on a stock HS, but I don't think there is a big differ in performance.
MetalSiren
08-31-01, 06:43 PM
ORb's are terrible. I broke the tab off my mobo's socket when removing the "thing" :mad: .When I was done removing it the core had a small chip in it also :mad: .
wizardloader
08-31-01, 09:33 PM
How about the Dragon Orb 3? I read good things on Toms hardware nd other o/c sights
Nagorak
09-01-01, 01:05 AM
Crappy Via motherboards with poor QA and overall problems...
That's the only serious "surprise" you might encounter. Just go with an AMD board: problem solved.
Stanman
09-01-01, 01:41 AM
Ok, I am not an orb fan, but I did end up with a couple when it was all I could get that day. I have over 20 AXIA's running here folding 24/7 at 100 cpu usage and the orbs do the job ok, I have two of them running at 1500 and I had one that was running 1400 at 1.85v and by accident I knocked the wire for the bottom fan off and it ran an hour before I noticed it. Yeah it was hot, but it lived and is still running fine, so obviously it is good enough for someone running 1400 not oced. Lighten up on the guy. :rolleyes:
If it does the job thats all I care about.
Hmm A friend of mine had one on his Duron 750@850MHz and he reached temps of 63C. I think that's bad....
Originally posted by Stanman
Ok, I am not an orb fan, but I did end up with a couple when it was all I could get that day. I have over 20 AXIA's running here folding 24/7 at 100 cpu usage and the orbs do the job ok, I have two of them running at 1500 and I had one that was running 1400 at 1.85v and by accident I knocked the wire for the bottom fan off and it ran an hour before I noticed it. Yeah it was hot, but it lived and is still running fine, so obviously it is good enough for someone running 1400 not oced. Lighten up on the guy. :rolleyes:
But still its an high risk that he will crunch the core on that chip if he put an orb on.
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