Kingston HyperX BH-5 still in stock?

[jlo56]

thats what these folks are saying....

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=techotherhardware&Number=4387115&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1&vc=1

apparently compuvest.com has Kingston PC3200 HyperX BH-5 2x512mb...for $199 :D (edit its now $220...looks like they caught on :-/ )

looks from some of the benchies in that forum it may very well be real BH5

[Reefa_Madness]

thats what these folks are saying....

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=techmobocpu&Number=4387115&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1&vc=1

apparently compuvest.com has Kingston PC3200 HyperX BH-5 2x512mb...for $199 :D

looks from some of the benchies in that forum it may very well be real BH5

Yes, they do. And they also have non "A" KHX PC3500, plus the "A" version of both of these are really good prices. I linked to this vendor yesterday in the PQI thread to let people in on this. As of early Wednesday evening (East Coast) they had 25 dual kits of the bh-5 based PC3200 still in stock. I verified the Kingston product code with the sales rep at that time.

Based on the benchies and everything we know about Kingston's product codes, these are in fact old stock KHX with bh-5 ram that this vendor is "liquidating". Little do they know what they are holding in their shelves.

Here is a link to the actual product.

http://www.compuvest.com/Description.jsp?ItemID=108441

[Catalan]

Do the KHX3500 clock better than the KHX3200?

[Reefa_Madness]

Does the 3500 clock better than the 3200?

I've only read one review on the 3500 that I can remember and I did pretty good. There is a little more disagreement as to whether or not the non "A" 3500 has bh-5 or not, where there is no disagreement that the non "A" 3200 is bh-5.

The logic would suggest that the 3500 has been binned to at least run 216 at the lower voltage, but beyond that I don't know that you can really say. The 3500 is selling for about $210 so it is "dirt" cheap as well.

[Catalan]

Disagreement if the 3500 is bh-5? Have some recieved non bh-5?

[Reefa_Madness]

Disagreement if the 3500 is bh-5? Have some recieved non bh-5?

Yes, there has been some reported non "A" PC3500 not being bh-5, but no disagreement that, like the PC3200, the "A" version is not bh-5.

In reading through threads here and in other sites, every so often this discussion about the chips in the 3500 comes up. There is some question as to whether the bh-5 has a rated voltage of 2.5v vs 2.6v and a couple of other "differences" that I don't recall right now. It (non "A" 3500) is probably bh-5 as well, but I don't have 100% confidence level, like I do with non "A" KHX PC3200.

[Catalan]

Well bh-5 for about $200 is a steal IMO, I'll probably purchase some next week a long with my WC if it's still available.

[Reefa_Madness]

This is one of those situations where I honestly don't think there will be any left in a week. They sold out the first batch, and the next batch of 50 was received yesterday, by late afternoon/early evening East Coast time, the stock was 25. There was still stock this morning but I don't know how much is left. You could follow the link and then call them at the number on their site and inquire as to how much they have left and whether any more is due. Somebody has a stock of this stuff that they are selling, without a clue as to what it is worth to guys like us. A gig of Mushkin was selling on eBay for a "buy it now" price of $350 last night. Granted, Mushkin is a "preferred" brand, but still...$200 for a gig...what a deal, if you can feed it the voltage, otherwise, you are probably better off buying TCCD ram. Of course, $200 for the ram, $50 for a Booster and for $250 and the right board and you are good to go.

Well bh-5 for about $200 is a steal IMO, I'll probably purchase some next week a long with my WC if it's still available.

[BigStan]

apparently compuvest.com has Kingston PC3200 HyperX BH-5 2x512mb...for $199 :D
OK I just order some of this. Well see how it stacks up to the TCCD when I get it next week.

[musk]

I just ordered some but it will take a while to get to canada eh!

musk

[BigStan]

Reading through that thread over at futuremark, I'm betting they sold them out. I'm going to call over there in a little while and see what I can find out.

[Catalan]

Well I don't mind if they sell out I still have my KHX3000 bh-5 chips :D

[krag]

I just ordered myself a gig of this stuff....nice find jlo56! We'll see hoe these beauties do with my OCZ mem booster!!!! :clap:

[HousERaT]

I look forward to reading you folks reviews on this stuff.....

[BigStan]

9:15am CST I just called them and they said they have 24 left and that mine will ship out today.

[krag]

9:15am CST I just called them and they said they have 24 left and that mine will ship out today.

He shoots....he score....the crowd goes wild!!!!!! :eek: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Mine should get to me pretty quickly since I live in the same state.

[HousERaT]

o.k. so does anyone know where to get a OCZ ram booster for cheap? ;)

[pershoot]

the KHX3500K2 they have in stock is winbond CH-5 chips. the original KHX3500 (without K2) is BH-5, which they dont have.

the BH-5 that they had was KHX3200K2. i also ordered a set from them 2 days ago. its in shipping currently. will reply back, when mine come in.

[pershoot]

booster.. newegg ~45USD

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-998-301&depa=0

[HousERaT]

booster.. newegg ~45USD

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-998-301&depa=0


coo.... that's better than svc.com :D

[julianba]

Yes! Just ordrered 1gb khx3200k2 :attn:


The kingston pc3500 is most likely ch5 :-/

[Twister1234]

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6706603652&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

my new kingston bh-5 -.- ebay,but ok-i hope

[HousERaT]

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6706603652&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

my new kingston bh-5 -.- ebay,but ok-i hope

Isn't it supposed to have khx3200k2 on the sticker?

[pershoot]

If it is KHX3200K2, it will have that stamp on the spreader.

[pershoot]

also, remember to set at least 2.7Vdimm b4 u shut down to pop the sticks in. you can then lower to 2.6 with 8rdavcore for testing. i really dont feel 2x512 of BH-5 (and bh-6 def. not), will run @ 2.6Vdimm, 200, 2-2-2, on nF2-AMD.

[nocturnal714]

anyone know if this is a stand up vendor? i looked at reseller ratings and they don't seem to be to reliable. most people said they sell refurbished goods. can someone clarify this because i would love to get some of this ram for this price. ;)

[pershoot]

we shall see:)

i saw some mixed reviews on the web like yourself. if this is refurb.. as long as it hits the high note at 3.2vdimm, haha.

[BigStan]

anyone know if this is a stand up vendor? i looked at reseller ratings and they don't seem to be to reliable. most people said they sell refurbished goods. can someone clarify this because i would love to get some of this ram for this price. ;)
Anyway you slice and dice this, it's a high risk deal. That company may/may not be any good and the mem may/may not be BH-5. You run the same risk trying to buy BH-5 off of Ebay or from a stranger in a forum. I'm an idiot risk taker so I ordered some. You need to decide what your comfort level is. Good Luck! To you, to me, and whoever else decides to try this mem.

[mata2974]

Their life time rating is like 4.04 :eek: and one guy was saying they sold him an

evaluation hard drive, that did not even have a warranty, that was even verified by

maxtor, so thse guys could be crooks in sheep's clothing, I mean BH-5 clothing.......I

am on the fence on this one......

[HousERaT]

the drama continues..... will the OCForums memory squad strike gold again?..... will they get burned this time?..... this an other exciting stories next time on......

As the Memory Burns!!!!!! :D

[nocturnal714]

lol...stay tuned! :p

[Odie812]

Ha... the price went up $21 from the original $199.

I think we're caught :)

Odie

[aldamon]

Ha... the price went up $21 from the original $199.

I think we're caught :)

Odie

LOL. They've still leaving about $80 on the table. Glad I bought early this morning.

[HousERaT]

didn't take long for them to raise the price..... good thing I got mine this morning:) (It's all Reefa's fault, he gave me his disease)..... I'm gonna be super pissed if this isn't BH-5. I sure hope this isn't a scam..... :-/

[Reefa_Madness]

didn't take long for them to raise the price..... good thing I got mine this morning:) (It's all Reefa's fault, he gave me his disease)..... I'm gonna be super pissed if this isn't BH-5. I sure hope this isn't a scam..... :-/

I told you it was contagious, but did you listen? No, you had to sit there an expose yourself to it then brag how you were immune. Now you've got it, too.

Seriously folks, has anyone read the thread at futuremar? It was 28 pages long this morning. Some of the guys have already received it and tested, but not many. The concern about refurb seems valid, as one of the guys received it, not in the typical Kingston black dual-pack case, but in clear single pack cases, others have received them in the normal packaging. They are advertised as "New" so there might have to be some bitching going on if these are refurbs.

On the other hand, if they are refurbs and don't work well and need to be returned to Kingston this could open up some interesting possibilities. What is the only comparable product currently available from Kingston? Their TCCD based ram is all I know of. That would not be a total loss, would it?

As for the PC3500, I tend to believe that it is probably the ch-5 based ram, but how can you guys know for sure as they have both the "A" and the non "A" versions listed. Is there something else that is tipping you off as to what chips it uses?

One last thing. The "K" in the product code is for the dual pack or Kit, hence the "K". The ebay purchase above was for single sticks so it would not have the "K" in the product code.

[Clevor]

Yes, I got stuff from them before. Some stuff was OK, but a Diamond MX400 card was defective. As I tried the card out after 8 months, I could not get a refund.

I bought a Tekram U80 SCSI controller card, and they advertised it as a return. The $$$ SCSI cable was missing, but they sent me one. The card proved defective, but I did not make a big deal as Tekram replaced it no problem under warrantee with a new card. I got the card for $80 at the time and it was selling $175 retail.

The other stuff I got from them was OK.

Also keep in mind a lot of lower binned BH-5 and BH-6 was being used in the 2003 stuff being marketed by manufacturers. This stuff might be bottom-of-the-barrel stuff, or maybe it's a lost lot from the vintage year of 2002 :p. Who knows. Best way is take the spreaders off and see if it is BH-5 and what the manufacture date is.

[HousERaT]

I told you it was contagious, but did you listen? No, you had to sit there an expose yourself to it then brag how you were immune. Now you've got it, too.

me hard headed..... me not learn the first time..... me need therapy! <and a second job> :p

[HousERaT]

Also keep in mind a lot of lower binned BH-5 and BH-6 was being used in the 2003 stuff being marketed by manufacturers. This stuff might be bottom-of-the-barrel stuff, or maybe it's a lost lot from the vintage year of 2002 :p. Who knows. Best way is take the spreaders off and see if it is BH-5 and what the manufacture date is.

anyone got a snapshot of what I'm looking for when these mini radiators get here?

[Clevor]

anyone got a snapshot of what I'm looking for when these mini radiators get here?

See what the ICs say on them. It will say Winbond BH-5, than something like 0334, which means week 34 of 2003.

Good luck!

[Gautam]

Good luck guys, I got my BH5 for just $194, with 2 day shipping no less... :D

This stuff is still THE choice for memory for hard core enthusiasts. Nothing, and I mean nothing, holds timings as tight as them. No Micron, no Samsung, no nothing. Pump em with enough volts, and BH5 is unstoppable. The worst BH5 still did around 230 2-2-2 with 3.3v, IIRC.

[Reefa_Madness]

anyone got a snapshot of what I'm looking for when these mini radiators get here?

Here you go, as a picture is worth a thousand words, so they say.

http://pub.lorenz.bei.t-online.de/DDRChips/DDR.htm

[HousERaT]

Here you go, as a picture is worth a thousand words, so they say.

http://pub.lorenz.bei.t-online.de/DDRChips/DDR.htm


thank you sir.... I'm sure that will come in handy later on in the future.... :D

[Reefa_Madness]

[QUOTE=HousERaT]thank you sir.... I'm sure that will come in handy later on in the future.... :D[/QUOT

Yeah, that is a worthwhile site to bookmark. Did you go back up one level? Its the same site that has the list of ram modules with Winbond chips. I've linked it below.

http://pub.lorenz.bei.t-online.de/marsramworld.htm

It also has info on which rebranded Kingston chips are the Winbond ICs.

[Reefa_Madness]

Yes, I got stuff from them before. Some stuff was OK, but a Diamond MX400 card was defective. As I tried the card out after 8 months, I could not get a refund.



You mean that I am not the only one that buys stuff and then shelves it for about 6 months or more? I've got a room that looks like it could be a retail PC parts outlet.

[HousERaT]

You mean that I am not the only one that buys stuff and then shelves it for about 6 months or more? I've got a room that looks like it could be a retail PC parts outlet.


O.k. how good are your prices.... and shipping? I might need some parts.... :p

[Reefa_Madness]

O.k. how good are your prices.... and shipping? I might need some parts.... :p

I bet you I have it in "stock". :)

[aldamon]

Also keep in mind a lot of lower binned BH-5 and BH-6 was being used in the 2003 stuff being marketed by manufacturers. This stuff might be bottom-of-the-barrel stuff, or maybe it's a lost lot from the vintage year of 2002 :p. Who knows. Best way is take the spreaders off and see if it is BH-5 and what the manufacture date is.

Like that will matter on Ebay. LOL. :santa: in September. $

[Tat]

O.k. how good are your prices.... and shipping? I might need some parts.... :p
LOL. me second of that :)

[DirtMerchant]

Damn I want some, but it sounds too good to be true. Can someone post a link to the results of people who bought these?

[Reefa_Madness]

Damn I want some, but it sounds too good to be true. Can someone post a link to the results of people who bought these?

More and more it appears that these might be refurbs. Use caution, this purchase appears to come with a higher than normal risk. If the sticks don't do 200 @ 2-2-2-6 using 2.6v, then you RMA to Kingston for new stuff (TCCD chips?), but what if they max at 205 @ 2-2-2-6, using 3.2v, then your screwed. The link below is to the original thread at FM where all this originated.

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=techotherhardware&Number=4387115&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=32&vc=1

[mata2974]

From that thread it appears these guys are playing dirty tricks, some dual packs have been unmatched, and some got CH-5 chips, if this turns out to be true, what a shame...........

[Reefa_Madness]

Ignore the ch-5 posts for now. If you look at the pictures, they clearly show the purported ch-5 ram to be KHX PC3500. I don't know why no one picked up on that...it just jumped out at me.

The rest of the comments bear monitoring. Some results have been good, but before anyone else purchases, you might want to follow this FM thread a little longer.

From that thread it appears these guys are playing dirty tricks, some dual packs have been unmatched, and some got CH-5 chips, if this turns out to be true, what a shame...........

[Ub3r-L33ch]

Those of you that ordered did you get an email confirmation? I ordered some but havent recieved an email confirmation yet. I ordered them yesterday morning (9-23). Are they still in stock?

[HousERaT]

Those of you that ordered did you get an email confirmation? I ordered some but havent recieved an email confirmation yet. I ordered them yesterday morning (9-23). Are they still in stock?

"This message is to inform you that we have received your on-line order and that your order is currently in process.
Please review your order information in case you need to make any changes. If you have any questions about your order please contact us via email info@compuvest.com (order number required) or by phone: (425) 738-4091."

Perhaps they want to get an extra $20 out of you?

[HousERaT]

The more I read over @ FM the less I like about this...... Guess we won't really know the deal until we start testing.

[BigStan]

Ignore the ch-5 posts for now. If you look at the pictures, they clearly show the purported ch-5 ram to be KHX PC3500. I don't know why no one picked up on that...it just jumped out at me.

The rest of the comments bear monitoring. Some results have been good, but before anyone else purchases, you might want to follow this FM thread a little longer.
I thought it was covered here (or somewhere) pretty early that there was a high probability that the 3500 chip were CH-5. There were some early batch2 of the CH-5 and BH-5 3500 that all had the same numbers. I bought the 3200 mem because it looked to me that it was most likely to be BH-5.

[HousERaT]

I thought it was covered here (or somewhere) pretty early that there was a high probability that the 3500 chip were CH-5. There were some early batch2 of the CH-5 and BH-5 3500 that all had the same numbers. I bought the 3200 mem because it looked to me that it was most likely to be BH-5.

Well the reports from FM is that the ram (pc3200) is BH-5, but more than likely they are refurbs and some people are having less than stellar results with the ram received so far..... Maybe they are isolated inccidents but it seems to be happening to more than just one person.

[situman]

From what I read over there, the packaging isnt too proper. Not what I would call confidence inspiring.

[BigStan]

...and the waiting game begins....suspense builds.. :drool: ..who is gonna get ripped off.. :bang head ... and who is going to get good sticks.. :beer:

[HousERaT]

well the odds are "most" people will get good sticks but there will be some pissed people.... although I don't wish that on anyone let's just hope they belong to another forum..... ;)

[aldamon]

LOL. I think this site is a little more credible than FM. The culture and posting style over there is bizarre to say the least. Let's wait and see what we get before panicking. I have three sets on the way and I'm certainly not panicking. The potential for profit far outweighs the risks in this case. Hell, even if none of the RAM works, there IS a return policy. It's not like we'll get stuck with a 100% loss.

[BigStan]

let's just hope they belong to another forum.....
:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

[HousERaT]

LOL. I think this site is a little more credible than FM. The culture and posting style over there is bizarre to say the least. Let's wait and see what we get before panicking. I have three sets on the way and I'm certainly not panicking. The potential for profit far outweighs the risks in this case. Hell, even if none of the RAM works, there IS a return policy. It's not like we'll get stuck with a 100% loss.


LOL, sounds like someone wants to get paid.....:)

[aldamon]

No doubt. My upgrade this summer was expensive.

[krag]

I sent a email this morning to Compuvest asking about my order and this is what they sent me 5 min. ago.....

""Dear Mr. Neet,

Your order shipped yesterday at 4:30 PM via UPS Ground. Your order
conformation number is "gonnagetbh-5suckas". *edited for maximum hype* ;)

There is a good chance that you will receive it today. Thank you for
shopping at Compuvest.

Best regards,

Chuck O'Brien
chuck@compuvest.com""

[BigStan]

Way to go krag. Hope you get it today. Be nice to see some good benchies with it.

[Twister1234]

my ebay buy is bh-5(priming atm at 240 fsb-cpc enabled@3,3 vdimm 11-2-2-2)

[Reefa_Madness]

I thought it was covered here (or somewhere) pretty early that there was a high probability that the 3500 chip were CH-5. There were some early batch2 of the CH-5 and BH-5 3500 that all had the same numbers. I bought the 3200 mem because it looked to me that it was most likely to be BH-5.

You are right, the question of whether the 3500 is bh-5 or ch-5 was covered earlier, however, I was referring to a post over at FM where one of the guys posted that he had removed the spreader and his ram was ch-5, the thing was that he showed the spreaders for PC3500, yet everyone was talking about it like it was the PC3200.

By the way, I rec'd a tracking number yesterday.

[Ub3r-L33ch]

How long did it take you to recieve your tracking number? I called and said my order has shipped but they dont have a tracking order yet.

[julianba]

I foolishly bought a gig of the khxpc3500 in january off the newegg refurbs for about $180 thinking it was bh5, but it topped out at about 225 2-2-2-11. Not bad for $180, but not quite what I was looking for. I never checked but I assume it was ch5. It's ok I sold it off at a slight profit :)

[Froz]

what does http://www.lacc.com/product.asp?pf_id=KHX3200K21G that mean, generic or not? that buy now button is busted but the add to cart from here http://www.lacc.com/search_detail.asp?dept_id=84-005&sp=KHX3200K21G&sp_flag=0 works

[HousERaT]

this guy over at FM just recieved his mail package of five (5) gigs of this stuff.... I'm sure he's gonna pick through that ram like ripe fruit.

[Ub3r-L33ch]

That link of L A Computer Center shows the same P/N as the memory from Compuvest. Is this another site with BH-5?

[Reefa_Madness]

I ran across this at FM on Tuesday, while looking for some info on one of their benchies. I went back and forth until Wednesday evening (East Coast) and then I ordered by phone. The guy I spoke to said it would ship that day. This would have been around 2:00 p.m. out in WA. Later that same Wednesday evening (my time) I received notice of the tracking number. Has anyone else ordered via phone? That may have sped things up.

How long did it take you to recieve your tracking number? I called and said my order has shipped but they dont have a tracking order yet.

[Reefa_Madness]

That link of L A Computer Center shows the same P/N as the memory from Compuvest. Is this another site with BH-5?

It is the correct parts number, so if they have it listed correctly, then you would have to go with the assumption that it is bh-5.

New or refurb is a whole different question.

Where is all this stuff coming from? If it hard to believe that it would be from Kingston, as you would think that they would just hang on to the ICs for future RMA purposes, unless that is, they just figure that they just swap out the ram with TCCD ram.

[HousERaT]

my memory has been shipped, won't be here till friday so by them I'm sure I'll have heard all the news..... good thing I'm in no hurry.

[Reefa_Madness]

One of the guys at FM that ordered the 10 sticks, rene, has tested his and all but one was able to hit 240, the last one didn't work well at all.

There is also a thread over there on the Kingston warranty which might be worth looking at and maybe you guys can share your experiences.

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=techotherhardware&Number=4406875&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1&vc=1

[HousERaT]

Lifetime warranty = Life of the production run? Hmmmmmm.... never heard that before.

[Reefa_Madness]

Lifetime warranty = Life of the production run? Hmmmmmm.... never heard that before.

I have read that in the GEIL warranty info, they actually state that very same thing, that life = production life.

I read the Kingston warranty info and saw no such thing (similar language). I could have just missed it, though. They did state (in the FAQ) that in the event the product was no longer available, they could repair or send a refurb. I was hoping some people with actual experience with Kingston could help us clarify things.

[HousERaT]

nothing conclusive yet..... some people claim great luck with Kingston service dept while others say the same ole thing about refer to the dealer you got them from.... yada yada yada.... the folks over at FM are really chatting it up about this stuff.

[Reefa_Madness]

nothing conclusive yet..... some people claim great luck with Kingston service dept while others say the same ole thing about refer to the dealer you got them from.... yada yada yada.... the folks over at FM are really chatting it up about this stuff.

You made a comment which was really appropriate. There is a lot of "chat", but not much actually being said. Very little substance has been my opinion.

What I mean, is for example, how many posts have been made discussing whether this ram's default voltage should be 2.5v or 2.6v, when most of us already know that we're going to run it at 3.0 plus if we want to make it go. Just stuff like that, just "chat". Of the 40 plus pages, there are only about 5 pages worth of real info, at most.

[HousERaT]

You made a comment which was really appropriate. There is a lot of "chat", but not much actually being said. Very little substance has been my opinion.

lol.... well what it boils down to is most peeps don't have their ram yet so all they can really do is talk about "what-ifs" until they receive their orders. Can't say I blame them..... every once in a while something informative comes out.

[Reefa_Madness]

I made a small edit before you posted, but it was mostly "chat", no real substance, in my opinion. :)

[aldamon]

"Jason's" pics are tight. My BH-5 is on the way! I'm starting to think I'll keep one set and sell my 3700EB since it has been discontinued. Hmmm. Decisions.

[julianba]

Tracking number recieved, shipped on the 24th, please god let it be bh5.

[Reefa_Madness]

Tracking number recieved, shipped on the 24th, please god let it be bh5.

All of the guys that have gotten theirs over at FM have received bh-5, I believe so that should not be a concern. The only question left to be answered is whether they perform as expected or not.

[krag]

Tracking number recieved, shipped on the 24th, please god let it be bh5.

Mine gets here tomorrow! :drool: I'll post my results as soon as the UPS guy drops it off.

[Reefa_Madness]

Mine gets here tomorrow! :drool: I'll post my results as soon as the UPS guy drops it off.

Looking forward to that. I'm in Florida so I'll have to wait until almost the end of this week before I get it.

[DirtMerchant]

This RAM is sick. Guys over at Akiba got a P4 up to 6Ghz!!!!!! with this RAM. Good lord.

Take a look http://www.akiba-pc.com/news.php

[krag]

This RAM is sick. Guys over at Akiba got a P4 up to 6Ghz!!!!!! with this RAM. Good lord.

Take a look http://www.akiba-pc.com/news.php

Link no-worky. Hmmmmm, I need more info before I can believe that BH-5 can do that. ;)

[HousERaT]

This RAM is sick. Guys over at Akiba got a P4 up to 6Ghz!!!!!! with this RAM. Good lord.

Take a look http://www.akiba-pc.com/news.php

linkie is dead..... 6 gigs is great but stable would be nice... ;)

[Strykar]

Ordering mine tomorrow, hopefully it's still in stock..

[Reefa_Madness]

linkie is dead..... 6 gigs is great but stable would be nice... ;)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=548038#post548038

"Screenshot" record, not bench stable.

It still looks good! :)

[BigStan]

I sent a note to "Paul" on the Managers link. I noted to him that several ppl at FM were commenting that they were not receiving match pairs and the packaging refelected "refurbs" as opposed to "New" mem. He sent me back an email that said if I experienced any probelms I could send them back for a full refund. I'm assuming he is commiting to waiving the restocking fee if there is a problem with them. That would be nice. I hate restocking fees.

[krag]

I still haven't gotten mine yet! It says "out for delivery" on the UPS tracking. I have been waiting all day for the UPS truck to pull up to my house...man this is killing me! :rolleyes:

[krag]

I have good news and bad news!

THe good....the ups guy dropped off my 1 gig KHX 3200

The bad...it looks like mismatched sticks.

I might have 1x512mb of BH-5 and another of CH-6. One stick is USA and th eother China.......

[HousERaT]

I'm interested to see how far I can take them at 2-2-2-11 with 2.9v? I know that's just getting started for BH-5 but I'm still curious.... I won't get mine until Friday. Perhaps I'll get a ddr booster between now and then.

I think even the china sticks are still BH-5.

[krag]

Wahhooooooo!

I lifted the corner of the heatspreader on the "China" stick and it is BH-5!!!

Here are the codes....

Windbond
340WF
W942508BH-5


SAaaaweet!!

[Clevor]

Ah, week 40 of 2003. At least that one is BH-5.

From the looks of the PCB, the USA stick is BH-5. Let us know what ya find.

[HousERaT]

Finally a OCForums person with this ram.... since we know both sticks are BH-5 how bout some benchmarks.... you've had those things now a whole 30 minutes.... we want benchmarks.... :D

[krag]

THe codes for the USA stick are....

Windbond
316WE
W942508BH-5


Very nice!!!! wOOOOOOt!

A gig of BH-5 for $200 YEAH!!!!!

I need to go to the store for some grub but when I get back I'll start running it thru the torture!!

I have a OCZ mem booster all caged up and ready to be unleashed! Muuhhahahahahahahahahah :burn:

[Reefa_Madness]

I have good news and bad news!

THe good....the ups guy dropped off my 1 gig KHX 3200

The bad...it looks like mismatched sticks.

I might have 1x512mb of BH-5 and another of CH-6. One stick is USA and th eother China.......

What's with the black "X" on the upper right hand corner of the China stick?

[krag]

What's with the black "X" on the upper right hand corner of the China stick?

I don't know, I thought it was very suspicious looking myself. It may mean that the stick was refurbished.

Ok last post before benchies...I'm gonna install some blue LED feet on my Lian and the Booster & mem. So give me a couple minuites.

[Strykar]

Sweet, im so anxious :P

[jlo56]

got mine last fri
tested some during the weekend
each stick able to hit 220mhz (DDR440) 2-2-2-6 at just 2.85V on my asus P4C800-E
memtest stable for 5 passes
pretty decent so far, no? :D
(btw both sticks were made in good ol USA :) )

runs a bit better than my Mushkin PC3500 Level 2 bh5 at 2.85V

[Reefa_Madness]

got mine last fri
tested some during the weekend
each stick able to hit 220mhz (DDR440) 2-2-2-6 at just 2.85V on my asus P4C800-E
memtest stable for 5 passes
pretty decent so far, no? :D
(btw both sticks were made in good ol USA :) )

runs a bit better than my Mushkin PC3500 Level 2 bh5 at 2.85V

That is a nice start for sure. I've been testing some PQI 2x256 on a almost stock NF7 and had hit 219 @ 2-2-2-11 with 2.9v and just for grins I threw in a pair of 2x256 KHX PC3200 with BH-5. These are now running 228 @ 2-2-2-11 with 2.9v. They failed to post at 230 with those timings and voltage so I'm pretty close to their 2-2-2 max on this board, but still, better than the Samsung TCCD chips. For all the people proclaiming that the King was dead, look again, bh-5 is still kicking.

[krag]

MAN! My MSI Neo2 Plat 939 mobo just died on me!!!!! This is the 2nd MSI board to die on me in 3 weeks and the last. I will never use a MSI board again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right now I'm on m y laptop....its nice to have a wireless network at home!!


But I have plan "B"....I can slap together my backup rig, which is a 3.0c asus P4C800-E Deluxe.....so...bear with me some more!

[mata2974]

MSI makes crappy mobos (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=330686)

[Reefa_Madness]

MAN! My MSI Neo2 Plat 939 mobo just died on me!!!!! This is the 2nd MSI board to die on me in 3 weeks and the last. I will never use a MSI board again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right now I'm on m y laptop....its nice to have a wireless network at home!!


But I have plan "B"....I can slap together my backup rig, which is a 3.0c asus P4C800-E Deluxe.....so...bear with me some more!

Not bad for a backup rig.

[Reefa_Madness]

Well, after it failed to boot at 230 I cleared CMOS, loaded Optomized Settings and then later reset everything. I must have set something differently because right now those 2x256 are passing Memtest86+ at 230 with 2-2-2-11 timings. You've just got to love bh-5.


Edit:
This board does not like high fsb. Its run 235 with TCCD, but at 2.5-3-3-11. With the PQI TCCD the best it could do with 2-2-2-11 timings was 219, so the 230 with the bh-5 KHX is a major improvement. I did some stability testing at 225 and all went well. I'll let it run Memtest all night at 230 and then tomorrow do some stability testing here before trying to stretch it out some more. I am using tictac's D26 Manta Ray XT BIOS CPC ON by the way. It will be interesting to see what it does with the 512 sticks, once they get here.

[krag]

I am installing xp right now and have the 2x512 bh-5 at 2-2-2-5 @200fsb on the install..won't be long now. I even have a smd grabber volt mod waiting to slap it with 3.3v!!!

I am gonna go over to the egg and pick up a Asus VIA 939 mobo

[Reefa_Madness]

Just a little update.

Well, my 2x256 KHX 3200 kit (not part of this CompuVest purchase, but something to talk about until the shipments arrive) is just humming away at 233 with timings still at 2-2-2-11 and 2.9v to the ram, which on this board is the limit. Unless the Booster gets mounted, that is. I tested for stability at 230, with 3DMark01, Aquamark, SuperPi and Prime95. This was after running Memtest86+ full loops for almost 8 hours so we'll call that stable. I'll play with these until the 512 sticks get here, then I'll be able to compare results, as well as to the PQI ram.

[HousERaT]

Just a little update.

Well, my 2x256 KHX 3200 kit (not part of this CompuVest purchase, but something to talk about until the shipments arrive) is just humming away at 233 with timings still at 2-2-2-11 and 2.9v to the ram, which on this board is the limit. Unless the Booster gets mounted, that is. I tested for stability at 230, with 3DMark01, Aquamark, SuperPi and Prime95. This was after running Memtest86+ full loops for almost 8 hours so we'll call that stable. I'll play with these until the 512 sticks get here, then I'll be able to compare results, as well as to the PQI ram.

Now my mouth is watering..... I can't wait to see what my gig will do... Friday can't get here soon enough... :-/

[krag]

Man bros, I am way bummed! I am having problems getting my backup rig to run. I think its the crappy PSU I have, I'll pickup another one today and try that. I feel like I'm cursed or something. I bought a nice backup psu here in the classifieds for occasions just like this and the guy asssured me he would include the 20 to 24 pin atx connector but he lied...that was a week ago and still no PM's. I hope someone else will get thier ram today and post soem benchies....sorry to let you fellas down. :(

[HousERaT]

Man bros, I am way bummed! I am having problems getting my backup rig to run. I think its the crappy PSU I have, I'll pickup another one today and try that. I feel like I'm cursed or something. I bought a nice backup psu here in the classifieds for occasions just like this and the guy asssured me he would include the 20 to 24 pin atx connector but he lied...that was a week ago and still no PM's. I hope someone else will get thier ram today and post soem benchies....sorry to let you fellas down. :(

Sorry to hear that Krag.... good thing you live near a good store.... :D
Those darn classifieds.... I tell ya.... just can't trust um... j/k:p

[aldamon]

Does this company have an unlimited supply of BH-5? LOL.

I might have 1x512mb of BH-5 and another of CH-6. One stick is USA and th eother China.......

I'm glad the nonsense has subsided. These sticks are guaranteed to be BH-5.

[DirtMerchant]

DAmnit I wish I had 200 bills to drop. I'd get some of this stuff. Man I'm jealous. I would love to see what this stuff could do with my new 3.2E and a OCZ Booster. :(

[Strykar]

Can someone get me a rough idea of what the shipping would be to NC? Im getting a friend to order this for me and am depositing the money in his account... orderiing in about 40 minutes..

[Catalan]

Hmm, I hope the ram is still available when pay day comes around...

[Strykar]

Hmm, I hope the ram is still available when pay day comes around...


/looks in wallet...

I think i need 3 gigs... :P

Too bad mobos dont have 6 slots... :(

[aldamon]

Can someone get me a rough idea of what the shipping would be to NC? Im getting a friend to order this for me and am depositing the money in his account... orderiing in about 40 minutes..

I live in NC. Three-day select to NC was $18.46 for three sets. So figure $18.46 or less. You should be able to determine the exact amount on the Compuvest Web site.

[Catalan]

I have the money to buy a few gigs, I just like to wait since I'm cheap :P

[krag]

Ok, I bounced my bogus PSU off the floor and then reinstalled it and it works!!!!!! TAA-Kaaaaahh! :D

I tried 2.85v with 220fsb and it was no-go

I hooked up my smd grabber v-dimm mod and slapped it with 3.2v. I tried 235fsb and no go.

So I bummped it down to 225fsb and adjusted the RAS to CAS delay to 3 instead of 2 cause Itel dual channel is harder on ram than AMD and walla!

Scope...i think i can get it higher now so I'll try in a second.

Feast yer beady eyes bros....

[krag]

well, I couldn't get anything above 225fsb with 3.28v on the smd grabber mod. So I whipped out the OCZ mem booster and gave it 3.7v but I still could not get above 225fsb, even with relaxed timings of 2.5-3-3-6. Maybe its th ePSU? Maybe it'll do better in my AMD 939 rig???

[aldamon]

Could be a lot of things krag. Have you tried the 3700EB in this system to compare results? The planets have to align to get high HTTs with an A64, a gig of RAM and tight timings. You should definitely try the 939 rig.

How is your 3700EB doing? Mine is doing 243 2.5-2-2-10-1T at 3.1V which is the 1:1 limit of my setup.

[Strykar]

Ive got a gig coming my way.... currently waiting on the rest of my parts to be released on the market... :-/

[Reefa_Madness]

DAmnit I wish I had 200 bills to drop. I'd get some of this stuff. Man I'm jealous. I would love to see what this stuff could do with my new 3.2E and a OCZ Booster. :(

You'd have to tie it down or it would just FLY AWAY!!!

It would do just great with a 3.2E and a Booster. You would be able to max the cpu at whatever you could get out of it, the whole time your ram would be running 1:1 @ 2-2-2-6 timings. What more could you ask for? Overclocking heaven.

[pershoot]

dont forget also, bh-5 needs time to burn is as well. ill be getting my gig tomorrow, so ill see what they can do out of the box with only 2.9vdimm, and reply back. ill also reply back after booster is installed and new parts also, and let u all know the verdict.

[Reefa_Madness]

Another little update on the 2x256 sticks.

I have gotten to 237 @ 2-2-2 with 2.9 (NF7/XP-M 2600 and in DC), fully tested for stability, and passed Memtest86+ at 239, but got two blasted errors at 240 on the 7th of 27 passes. Darn, I so wanted 240 @ 2-2-2. Still, not too bad, all in all, given that this board is basically stock except for the NB cooler and the D26 Manta Ray XT BIOS. This is much better than the 219 I got from the PQI with the same settings and BIOS. I think that I'll put this pair of sticks in the "Keeper" pile.

This board is doing a little bit better with the Manta Ray BIOS and the KHX. I've relaxed the timings a tad and will see how high this board and ram might just do. Again, without the Booster I am limited to 2.9v.

[HousERaT]

Another little update on the 2x256 sticks.

I have gotten to 237 @ 2-2-2 with 2.9 (NF7/XP-M 2600 and in DC), fully tested for stability, and passed Memtest86+ at 239, but got two blasted errors at 240 on the 7th of 27 passes. Darn, I so wanted 240 @ 2-2-2. Still, not too bad, all in all, given that this board is basically stock except for the NB cooler and the D26 Manta Ray XT BIOS. This is much better than the 219 I got from the PQI with the same settings and BIOS. I think that I'll put this pair of sticks in the "Keeper" pile.

This board is doing a little bit better with the Manta Ray BIOS and the KHX. I've relaxed the timings a tad and will see how high this board and ram might just do. Again, without the Booster I am limited to 2.9v.

I'm really dying to see what a gig will do in an NF7..... If I could get 240 with 2-2-2-11 I'd be very satisfied.

[EternalX]

damn i wish i had money

[HousERaT]

damn i wish i had money

having money is overrated.... I liked it better when I was poor.... I got more done outside of the matrix.... :p

[Reefa_Madness]

having money is overrated.... I liked it better when I was poor.... I got more done outside of the matrix.... :p

So...you got money? Well, you know, I've got a room full of parts and I know you need at least two, maybe three more rigs to occupy your time so here is what I'm thinking....


Now, are you sure that 240 @ 2-2-2-11 would satisfy you?


I've been trying to run those 2x256 a little faster but even with relaxed timings, I can't top 239 (still at 2-2-2-11) so I think that is my board limit at the time. Its a heck of alot better than when I was at 219. The KHX with bh-5, at least in this case, kicks my PQI sticks' butt, big time. The few benchies that I've run, like SuperPi and Sandra prove it, but it just feels good, too.

[gixxer420]

I wouldn't benefit anything by picking some of this kingston since I have mushkin 3500 bh5 and some buffalo 3700 bh5 would I.

[Clevor]

So...you got money? Well, you know, I've got a room full of parts and I know you need at least two, maybe three more rigs to occupy your time so here is what I'm thinking....


Now, are you sure that 240 @ 2-2-2-11 would satisfy you?


I've been trying to run those 2x256 a little faster but even with relaxed timings, I can't top 239 (still at 2-2-2-11) so I think that is my board limit at the time. Its a heck of alot better than when I was at 219. The KHX with bh-5, at least in this case, kicks my PQI sticks' butt, big time. The few benchies that I've run, like SuperPi and Sandra prove it, but it just feels good, too.

You will find 239, 2-2-2-11 will probably beat PQI at 249, 2.5-3-3-6. There's too much hysteria over at the PQI thread when you consider the slow timings. Hell, the only thing 2.5-3-3-6 will beat is 2.5-4-3-6. It's mainly for those who need an easy 1:1 from 250-275 or so in DC (mainly P4 guys), with 'fastest' timings current technology can provide.

You can see that Ballistix ram with the faster timings is better suited for AMD guys <250 fsb (let's be realistic now).

[HousERaT]

I wouldn't benefit anything by picking some of this kingston since I have mushkin 3500 bh5 and some buffalo 3700 bh5 would I.

probably nothing other than making the people who didn't get any feel worse.... some people have been getting this ram just to sell it for more than they paid for it......

[Gautam]

Another little update on the 2x256 sticks.

I have gotten to 237 @ 2-2-2 with 2.9 (NF7/XP-M 2600 and in DC), fully tested for stability, and passed Memtest86+ at 239, but got two blasted errors at 240 on the 7th of 27 passes. Darn, I so wanted 240 @ 2-2-2. Still, not too bad, all in all, given that this board is basically stock except for the NB cooler and the D26 Manta Ray XT BIOS. This is much better than the 219 I got from the PQI with the same settings and BIOS. I think that I'll put this pair of sticks in the "Keeper" pile.

This board is doing a little bit better with the Manta Ray BIOS and the KHX. I've relaxed the timings a tad and will see how high this board and ram might just do. Again, without the Booster I am limited to 2.9v.
That is amazing!!! That's nearly 20MHz better than I could do with similar voltage. (I had only 2.7, though). Still only 6 MHz less than mine with 3.3v...

And people try to say that BH is useless without volts.

[aldamon]

Yeah, Kingston BH-5 can be pretty awesome. While I was in memory transition and before I got my volt mod running, I prematurely unloaded a set of this Kingston BH-5 to someone with the OCZ Booster. They got my set running at 260 2-2-2-5 on an Intel setup. Not sure if it was 100 % stable but I almost cried.

[aldamon]

Well, my RAM came in and I tested it. I cranked the VDIMM up to 3.3V and tried out all three gigs of this stuff on my Epox 8KDA3J. I have good news and bad news. The good news is that none of the sticks are bad and they all fly on 3.3V just like BH-5 should. I went up to 243 2-2-2-6-1T and there were no problems. Probably could have gone higher. Good news right? Not quite. Unfortunately, they only do this with one stick installed. As soon as I put in a gig, the HTT has to drop to pass MEMTEST. I even dropped the CAS to 2.5 like with my 3700EB and they still wouldn't pass. Stock speeds at 2-2-2-5-1T were fine with a gig installed. I didn't play around with the sticks to see what I could out of a gig because as far as I'm concerned if they can't run the same speeds as my OCZ PC3700EB at 3.1V (243 2.5-2-2-2-5) they're gone. They didn't so they're gone. They're awesome sticks but they just don't cut it on my A64 setup.

So, my advice to you krag is to stick with your 3700EB. I'm going to stick with mine. Its reputation and performance on the Athlon 64 with a gig installed is irrefutable at least to me.

[Catalan]

Well, it's always going to drop once you use another stick due being double sided dimms and s754 is single channel. I forget the proper way to explain it maybe someone else can do a better job than I did :x

[krag]

So, my advice to you krag is to stick with your 3700EB. I'm going to stick with mine. Its reputation and performance on the Athlon 64 with a gig installed is irrefutable at least to me.

Yeah, thanks for the heads up. I was leaning that way.

[Froz]

I prematurely unloaded a set

i may be drunk, but that sounds awful

[aldamon]

Well, it's always going to drop once you use another stick due being double sided dimms and s754 is single channel. I forget the proper way to explain it maybe someone else can do a better job than I did :x

No need to explain. My gigs of BH-5 won't do what my gig of 3700EB can do so it's gone. I'm sure it will go very fast but not as fast as my EB.

i may be drunk, but that sounds awful

It was. The only consolation was I got every cent back that I paid for it. That helped buy some 3700EB.

[Reefa_Madness]

That is amazing!!! That's nearly 20MHz better than I could do with similar voltage. (I had only 2.7, though). Still only 6 MHz less than mine with 3.3v...

And people try to say that BH is useless without volts.

Well, that 239 is going to be it, everytime I try 240 I get scattered errors, just a few, but one is too many. I'm hoping that with a little burn in time (I've had these sticks in a box for over 8 months, if you can believe that), they might be able to run 240. That would make my day. I've got a strong urge to pick up an Asus 875P board, which with a Booster, can get up to 3.6v and then I'll be able to really see what these guys can do. A 3.0 P4 @ 250, or maybe a 2.8 @ 260 with 2-2-2-6 timings would probably be fun to play with. I can dream, can't I?

[HousERaT]

i may be drunk, but that sounds awful

OMG!!!!.... I must have a sick mind but that was the funniest thing I heard all day.:D Good catch.....:p

[Catalan]

Try burning them in w/ memtest Reefa. I still haven't gotten around burning in my 2x512 KHX3000 BH-5 chips, I'll probably do it once I decide on my 2nd rig specs.

[Reefa_Madness]

I'm not sure that aldamon quite understood the humor in Froz's comment. We ain't talking ram (or at least not of the memory type) anymore here, folks.

[aldamon]

Compuvest is down to 30 sticks. Will they get more? Who is providing this massive amount of gold to us lowly overclockers and capitalists?

I'm not sure that aldamon quite understood the humor in Froz's comment. We ain't talking ram (or at least not of the memory type) anymore here, folks.

I did. I should have been drunk to type that.

[Reefa_Madness]

Try burning them in w/ memtest Reefa. I still haven't gotten around burning in my 2x512 KHX3000 BH-5 chips, I'll probably do it once I decide on my 2nd rig specs.

Yeah, I'm definitely going to give these guys some burn in time. I'm too close to 240 to not make the effort. I would be quite happy with a 20% overclock at those timings, wouldn't you?

Now, if only the 512MB sticks I am waiting for would do the same thing.

By the way, I spoke with Kingston today about their warranty. Lifetime means just that, according to the person that I spoke with. They said that they would not sell a product, take the KHX PC3000 that they cleared their inventory of back in May, and then turn around and just because they were no longer making it, leave you in the cold. What they will do, since they can't just replace it, is that they will repair them, or send you a another refurb in its place. They also told me that on these lifetime warranty items, you don't really need your original receipt, even though I try to keep all of mine. Just thought I would pass that along to everyone, just in case someone turns out to need it.

[Reefa_Madness]

Its called punography and its not fit for young children. :)

[Catalan]

I WOULD burn my KHX3000 in, but most people that had have successful results did it for 72hrs straight! If/When I get my 2nd rig going I'll definately burn these babies in.

[Reefa_Madness]

Your right, you've got to be able to just do it non-stop, according to everything I've read and unless you have another rig, that's not practical.

[Clevor]

Well, my RAM came in and I tested it. I cranked the VDIMM up to 3.3V and tried out all three gigs of this stuff on my Epox 8KDA3J.

Aldamon, does the 8KDA3J have VDIMM up to 3.3 or was that with a VMOD or Booster?

From what I hear, 240-ish is max with 1 GB (2 sticks) on an A64 board. Now good BH-5 should be able to do 240+ at 3.2-3.3 volts here (256 MB sticks anyway), and at 2-2-2-5 timings, nothing less.

[aldamon]

VMOD. The OCZ Booster fries the 8KDA3J. I have no doubts the mobo or A64 architecture is limiting this RAM. Unfortunately, I have a Clawhammer 3200+ and a 10x multi is the most I have. In order to push the chip I need all of the HTT I can get. The 3700EB gets me to 243 x 10.

[Clevor]

VMOD. The OCZ Booster fries the 8KDA3J. I have no doubts the mobo or A64 architecture is limiting this RAM.

Had to be with Epox. The way they put in the VCORE limiter on later 8RDA+ boards and retracting VDIMM on P4 boards either in hardware or the latest BIOSs.

[DirtMerchant]

You'd have to tie it down or it would just FLY AWAY!!!

It would do just great with a 3.2E and a Booster. You would be able to max the cpu at whatever you could get out of it, the whole time your ram would be running 1:1 @ 2-2-2-6 timings. What more could you ask for? Overclocking heaven.

Aww man!!!!!! Why must you toy with my emotions???

The power of Christ compels you!!!
The power of Christ compels you!!!
The power of Christ compels you!!!
The power of Christ compels you!!!

Grrrr. I might give in and get some. Is there any chance they still have some... and is a definite guarantee that it's the bH-5? Man I could just imagine what great hieghts I can reach with this RAM. Reefa you are evil man. LOL. In a good way though.

[musk]

Well my Ram appears to be getting delivered today. I ordered a pair so I will post what I get. I have a DFI UT 250GB and a P4C800-E with a booster so I can really cook it good.

musk

[aldamon]

and is a definite guarantee that it's the bH-5?

Good grief.....................YES!

I swear the world is going to pass everyone by while they question what chips are inside. LOL.

[DirtMerchant]

I got some OCZ PC4200 Dual Channel RAM for sale. 2 x 512 $200 OBO. LOL. Any takers?

[HousERaT]

wow..... the flood gates have opened..... folks from miles around are trying to get some of this refurbed BH-5..... :D

[musk]

Well I got my RAM today. Its definately unmatched. One is USA and the other is China.

I will test it later (after work)

:attn:

[DirtMerchant]

Well I got my RAM today. Its definately unmatched. One is USA and the other is China.

I will test it later (after work)

:attn:
Well that isn't promising. I heard some people had issues with the USA stuff. Make sure you throw plenty of volts at it.

[aldamon]

I got 4 Chinas and 2 USAs and found no difference between them. What matters is the chips inside.

[DirtMerchant]

Well I read the entire thread over at FM and I am not buying any of this crap. Not because I wouldn't love to have a GB of it, but because the company selling it is way to shady for my liking. Besides, with the RAM I have now I am guaranteed to OC any P4 up to 275Mhz, and that is something I can live with. My board won't boot at anything higher than 3.2v anyway, so it isn't even worth it for me.

[Reefa_Madness]

Ok here is my take on these people.

Crooks, Crooks, Crooks!

Any questions?

Let me explain.

I received my two sets today at work and one "set" had a stick from China, the other from the USA, the other "set" has two USA sticks. They appear OK, although they do appear to have been "handled" before. Each set came with each module in clear plastic cases which were taped together. I know that most of you here have either bought, or at the very least, seen the standard Kingston ram black plastic package that dual-packs come in. These are definately not them and according to Kingston, whom I called yesterday, that is the only way dual-packs are sold. I called these people just to see what they had to say and they proceeded to argue with me that these were in fact original packaging and that they were "matched" sets. When I pointed out that one stick was from China and the other from the USA, their response was "what's your point?". Guys, they intentionally misled everyone on what they were selling. If they had stated that they were selling refurbs for $100/stick, we would probably have bought them anyway, but at least we would have done so knowingly. They intended to defraud us, and now that they have our money, they don't really care. They will take them back...for a 15% ($60) restocking fee, of course. Then they will sell them again.

You could tell from all of the responses that they were giving me that they had been coached in anticipation of this. It was like..."well, didn't you get two sticks of 512 ram, therefore you have a set" and "We never said that they were a matching set, just that you would get two 512MB sticks with KHX PC3200K2/1G on them, and isn't that what you got?". That kind of stuff.

The bottom line is that they are crooks that set out to misslead and deceive and if anyone else orders from them, know what to expect. I for one, will never, ever buy from them again, regardless of how well an item is priced because these people are scumbags. How could anyone work at a place like that?

I realize everyone will have to decide for themselves and I know that the price is seductive, but I just had to share my experience.

Later I will try out the sticks and see if they perform or are crap.

[DirtMerchant]

Reefa hit the nail on the head and I'm glad. It's a shame so much drama was built up around this company. Makes you wonder doesn't it.

Well reefa if you have an account over at FM please post what you have said here. I am sure your words will be appreciated.

Noone should support a company like this and after reading thier reviews and score on www.resellerratings.com I was like "Awwww hell naw nizzle!". I will never support scumbags that rip off honest overclokers.

Death to them I say! Throw them in the Iron Maiden!

Anyone live near them? Someone should pay them a... visit hehe.

If anyone is interested look for Compuvest on www.resellerratings.com.. lol they suck!

Good post reefa.

[HousERaT]

well since Compuvest is taking a beating I might as well contribute... here is their spot at reselleratings.com

http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2059.html

[pershoot]

got my order in. came in clear covers, no kingston sticker on em (must be refurb).

one stick - no tiki man symbol on heatspreader - 1213209 - 2.5v - assy in usa (went in slot 2)

other stick - tiki man symbol on heatspreader - 1352747 - 2.6v - assy in usa (went in slot 3)

both: 9905193-013.a01

using bios: d26-ed-6/19_DFI-CPC (trats)

2-2-2-6 @ 200, 2.6Vdimm - seems ok. will climb until i top out at 2.9Vdimm and report back.

[HousERaT]

Later I will try out the sticks and see if they perform or are crap.

will climb until i top out at 2.9Vdimm and report back.

great... people with NF7 boards... I look forward to your results... :drool:

[BigStan]

FWIW I got this message from "PAUL" the manager at Compuvest

"
Stan,

This is a New memory, with full manufacturer's warranty.
If you experience any problem with this memory - we can take it back for full refund.

Regards,
Paul


----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Guinn
To: paul@compuvest.com
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:18 PM
Subject: I have a message for Manager


In this product listing on your web page, you list this memory as "NEW".
http://www.compuvest.com/Description.jsp?ItemID=108441

People are receiving some of this memory and they are reporting here that they are not receiving "NEW" 5x512 KITS. of memory. They are receiving old and repackaged memory. They are receiving missmatched sets with one stick from the USA and the other form China. They are getting one stick that is spec for 2.5v and the other for 2.6v.

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=techotherhardware&Number=4387115&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=32&vc=1

I ordered this memory in good faith that you would be shipping NEW 2x512 KITS of matched memory. That is exactly what that product code from Kingston means. MATCHED sets of 2x512 memory!!

If that is not what you are shipping then I do not want it and want to cancel my order.

What you are doing is not right. You are doing serious damage to your company because reports of this are spreading all over the internet.
"

[Reefa_Madness]

The "2.5v" is one of the older ones, isn't it. I believe the 2.5v might be the preferred stick, although I'm not positive about that.

My 4 sticks are all coded 9905193-013.A01 and are 2.6v.

China - P36004X1 (with Tiki man)

USA - 1250816 (no Tiki man) / 1273435 & 1325978 (both with Tiki man)

By the way, one of them has some gummy/sticky stuff on the chrome clip...so much for the "new" and the "original packaging" claims. Four individual refurbs. If they run good, then still a decent buy, but deceptive tactics by the vendor any way you cut it.

[Reefa_Madness]

FWIW I got this message from "PAUL" the manager at Compuvest

"
Stan,

This is a New memory, with full manufacturer's warranty.
If you experience any problem with this memory - we can take it back for full refund.

Regards,
Paul


----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Guinn
To: paul@compuvest.com
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:18 PM
Subject: I have a message for Manager


In this product listing on your web page, you list this memory as "NEW".
http://www.compuvest.com/Description.jsp?ItemID=108441

People are receiving some of this memory and they are reporting here that they are not receiving "NEW" 5x512 KITS. of memory. They are receiving old and repackaged memory. They are receiving missmatched sets with one stick from the USA and the other form China. They are getting one stick that is spec for 2.5v and the other for 2.6v.

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=techotherhardware&Number=4387115&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=32&vc=1

I ordered this memory in good faith that you would be shipping NEW 2x512 KITS of matched memory. That is exactly what that product code from Kingston means. MATCHED sets of 2x512 memory!!

If that is not what you are shipping then I do not want it and want to cancel my order.

What you are doing is not right. You are doing serious damage to your company because reports of this are spreading all over the internet.
"

I am really looking forward to his response to your email. It is well worded and right on point.

[BigStan]

Reefa - the first part was his response

"Stan,

This is a New memory, with full manufacturer's warranty.
If you experience any problem with this memory - we can take it back for full refund.

Regards,
Paul"

He is saying if you have any problems you get a full refund. He did specify what constitues "any problems". That prolly leaves him enough room to wiggle out of anything. But it also leave the door open for anyone to say ...IT"S A PROBLEM!!!

[aldamon]

I lucked out and received 6 pristine sticks that tested fine. I think as long as the sticks you receive do not look physically damaged there shouldn't be any fuss. It is after all a gig of BH-5 for $200. A set of BH-5 on Ebay will run you $350 and it would probably look used and it would probably arrive poorly packed in peanuts and bubble wrap. Sure, my sticks were not the original packaging, but they were securley packed and sealed in shrink wrap.

However, if my sticks looked smudged or knicked or scratched, I would have raised hell for sure. I doubt this is the case for everyone though.

[Reefa_Madness]

Sorry...I must have zoned out, I guess I'm still somewhat livid from my earlier phone call to those guys.

Like you said, he left himself wiggle room. It has all been planned out as to how they would respond to complaints. These guys appear to be well versed in the art of deception. They know that in the end most of us will grumble, but not be willing to pay the restock fee, and they are, after all, holding our money. My other concern with returning is that once I send the ram back, I have nothing. Who knows how long before they even return/credit your account. It could be weeks...months....years (I don't put anything past these guys).

[man_utd]

Wow, after reading that, I really have to question ever spending money on this vendor. Some of those stories were just horrible.

[fldrice]

I almost bought some today but now im going to think about it.

[mata2974]

If I were you I would cancel my order and buy these OCZ Platinum 2nd Edition, best ram, according to Anand review, just for a few more bucks, http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-890&depa=0

[pershoot]

http://indabasement.com/1.jpg

http://indabasement.com/2.jpg

switching slots made it unstable.

i find it too much of a coincidence that my last ram and this ram both top out at around ~228-229 with 2.9Vdimm. by next week ill have L12 in place, NB cooler and booster. then lets see what this puppy can do:)

for now ill let it settle in at 228, 2-2-2.

[mcoleg]

so, out of curiosity, what voltage's is a sweet spot for bh5?

[Reefa_Madness]

so, out of curiosity, what voltage's is a sweet spot for bh5?


I think it is somewhere around 4.0v - 4.2v :)

[mcoleg]

no really? wow. don't kid me man :P, i just might believe that :) . seriously?

[Reefa_Madness]

Just messing with you. The great thing about bh-5 is that is scales so well with increasing voltage. I'm not sure if there is a sweet spot, but if there is, I would guess it to be in the 3.2v-3.4v range.

If I remember correctly, per Winbond's datasheet the max voltage is 3.6v but I've seen posts where guys make claims of having pumped over 4.0v into them. Longevity becomes a serious question at that point, but in all probability the guys doing this kind of extreme stuff are not planning on using this ram 24/7...know what I mean?

[Catalan]

Yawn...just woke up. What reefa said is true 3.2-3.4v is their range. I believe they're spec'D to 3.6v as well.

[mcoleg]

cool, thanks man...

almost like tccd then.

[Ub3r-L33ch]

Just got my sticks in. They are both assembled in the USA. Sorry I dont have any way of taking pics. I'm not sure how to remove the heatspreaders to be sure its BH-5, but as everyone else has found out it seems to be BH-5. Another bad thing is I'm waiting on my replacement NF7 board so I cant really test them right now either... lol... but I will soon, probably next week sometime.

I also ordered another set just to be sure I get at least 1 pair of high quality sticks :) ... eventhough I shouldnt really be spending my money :\

Edit: I forgot to mention that I do have a OCZ Booster than I plan on getting to use finally... apparently TCCD sticks dont like voltage :( ... we'll see what the BH-5 thinks when I shove max voltage up its arse :)

[BigStan]

Just got mine in. Two sticks both from USA, and 2.6v. Prestine condition, but individually wrapped. Will test them and post back this evening.

[Reefa_Madness]

I've only had a chance to test the one from China. In single-channel on the nf7 that I was able to hit the 239 with the 2x256. The single 512 stick hit 232 (can I call that PC3700?) @ 2.9v with 2-2-2-11 timings. Passed Memtest86+, Sandra, SuperPi and 3DMark01 at those settings. With additional voltage, it might very well hit 240+, if I'm lucky.

I am going to start on the second of four later this evening.

I think I am also going to hook up the DDR Booster and give these sticks a jolt (or two) to see if that 240 isn't within reach.

[aldamon]

I've only had a chance to test the one from China. In single-channel on the nf7 that I was able to hit the 239 with the 2x256. The single 512 stick hit 232 (can I call that PC3700?) @ 2.9v with 2-2-2-11 timings. Passed Memtest86+, Sandra, SuperPi and 3DMark01 at those settings. With additional voltage, it might very well hit 240+, if I'm lucky.

I am going to start on the second of four later this evening.

I think I am also going to hook up the DDR Booster and give these sticks a jolt (or two) to see if that 240 isn't within reach.

All six of my sticks hit 240+ with 3.3V. I didn't test higher.

[HousERaT]

I've only had a chance to test the one from China. In single-channel on the nf7 that I was able to hit the 239 with the 2x256. The single 512 stick hit 232 (can I call that PC3700?) @ 2.9v with 2-2-2-11 timings. Passed Memtest86+, Sandra, SuperPi and 3DMark01 at those settings. With additional voltage, it might very well hit 240+, if I'm lucky.

I am going to start on the second of four later this evening.

I think I am also going to hook up the DDR Booster and give these sticks a jolt (or two) to see if that 240 isn't within reach.

Well this gives me (as an NF7 user) some hope.... my sticks get here tomorrow and I'm looking forward to some serious testing this weekend.

[wardog50]

My buddy just ordered two gig from the LACC link posted earlier.
Does anyone have any experience with them?
I told him it may be a deceptive part# but he wanted to give it a try so I guess we will see.
http://www.lacc.com/search_detail.a...0K21G&sp_flag=0

That was the link it looks like it could be more kingston bh-5 what do you guys think>?



Sorry for the HUGE sig I will tone it down later.


Wardog

[mata2974]

My buddy just ordered two gig from the LACC link posted earlier. I told him it may be a deceptive part# but he wanted to give it a try so I guess we will see. http://www.lacc.com/search_detail.a...0K21G&sp_flag=0
link is dead

[wardog50]

ry this I just went back into the thread and tried it from the original post and it worked.


http://www.lacc.com/search_detail.asp?dept_id=84-005&sp=KHX3200K21G&sp_flag=0

Wardog

[Catalan]

Let us know if it is indeed KHX3200K2 not KHX3200AK2.

[musk]

Well I got around to testing my sticks from Compuvest.

The one from China did 240 5,2,2,2 no worries at 3.2v
The one from the USA wont even post at SPD with any voltage.

Lets see how the RMA goes.

musk

[Strykar]

Well I got around to testing my sticks from Compuvest.

The one from China did 240 5,2,2,2 no worries at 3.2v
The one from the USA wont even post at SPD with any voltage.

Lets see how the RMA goes.

musk

Not good news :( Hope I dont share your fate when mine gets here.

Does anyone have an example link to this ram going for "$350 on Ebay"?

[Sentential]

Not good news :( Hope I dont share your fate when mine gets here.

Does anyone have an example link to this ram going for "$350 on Ebay"?
Nope cuz I dont know how to bring up old auctions. But yes, it generally goes for atleast $350 on ebay.

[Reefa_Madness]

Well, I've just about to start testing the third of four sticks. The sticks which are being reported on below have been tested in single channel and have passed Memtest, Prime95, Sandra, SuperPi, 3DMark01.

So far (on NF7 with 2.9v max voltage):

Stick # 1 (China) 232 @ 2.9v with 2-2-2-11 timings.
Stick # 2 (USA) 223 @ 2.9v with 2-2-2-11 timings.

[Strykar]

/prays for 2 China sticks..



With my luck ill end up getting Cambodia or something :(

[BigStan]

Ran them last night at 240fsb 1:1 ~ 2,2,2,5 ~ 3.2v. That is pretty much were I would expect them to top out being 3200 mem and only being able to push 3.2v to them. I had some screen shots of Sandra, but when I went to up load them I noticed the quality was very poor. So I'll try again tonight. It was some really good Sandra Unbuff scores for 240fsb. Like Unbuf Int 3500 or so. Better than I've been able to do with my TCCD mem at 240fsb.

[Reefa_Madness]

/prays for 2 China sticks..



With my luck ill end up getting Cambodia or something :(

It does appear, based on the stuff people reported at FM, plus here, that on the whole, the sticks from China are doing better. Only one out four of mine are from China. Not fair!

[Strykar]

Would it be fair to assume that 240+ would be easily accessible with a Booster pushing out ~3.7V?

[Reefa_Madness]

Would it be fair to assume that 240+ would be easily accessible with a Booster pushing out ~3.7V?


Maybe...as long as it wasn't musk's bad stick. :)

I would think that if the stick is halfway decent, then yes, 240 would be a reasonable expectation. Lots of guys have gotten 250 and over with extreme voltages. Keep in mind, however, about that 3.6v max voltage per the datasheet. It would be a shame to have some stick humming along at 245-250 with 2-2-2 timings and then to fry it while looking to hit 255.

Mind you, I'm not saying you shouldn't try, just that it woud be a shame if it were to happen. It would however, make for a nice post in this thread. :)

[Strykar]

Maybe...as long as it wasn't musk's bad stick. :)

I would think that if the stick is halfway decent, then yes, 240 would be a reasonable expectation. Lots of guys have gotten 250 and over with extreme voltages. Keep in mind, however, about that 3.6v max voltage per the datasheet. It would be a shame to have some stick humming along at 245-250 with 2-2-2 timings and then to fry it while looking to hit 255.

Mind you, I'm not saying you shouldn't try, just that it woud be a shame if it were to happen. It would however, make for a nice post in this thread. :)


I dont plan on running it past stock voltages until my mobo and processor even come out :-/ (DFI NF3 UT and S939 3200+)

[musk]

I will see how high my good stick will go at 3.6v. I have a p4c800-e and an ocz booster. I will let you know when I get to it.

musk

[HousERaT]

<------ also hoping for two china sticks although with my luck I doubt that will happen..... My ram gets here today. <fingers crossed>

[Reefa_Madness]

I will see how high my good stick will go at 3.6v. I have a p4c800-e and an ocz booster. I will let you know when I get to it.

musk

Even though by today's standard, that is not the latest and greatest I am seriously thinking of picking up one of those mobos because of the ability, with a Booster, of getting that kinda voltage. I have recently (within the last couple of months) acquired a total of 6 gigs of bh-5 that I would really like to see what they are capable of doing. All are brand new (OK, not if you count these CompuVest...but I thought they were, so that should count for something) and none over $220/gig. It is still out there, sometimes it just takes a little digging.

Looking forward to your results.

[Reefa_Madness]

Well, this is encouraging.

Third stick has made in excess of 25 passes of Memtest86 test #5 and so far so good.

This is a "USA" stick with Tiki man, running (single-channel) 240 @ 2.9v with 2-2-2-11 on my NF7. I guess I won't complain too much that it came in a clear box instead of a black box. And thank goodness for unanswered prayers (remember, I wanted China sticks). I think that tictac's D26 Manta Rays XP LIKES BH-5. If anybody else out these is using bh-5 with some other BIOS you should try it to see if it makes any difference for you. I can't believe that it would hurt you. This one may have more, but my mobo doesn't really do well over 240 so I will have to probably move it to an Intel rig (but then I won't have the Manta Ray). One more stick to go, it too is USA with Tiki man...could I possibly get lucky and have two sticks that would match up and run this well at relatively low voltages???

Staty tuned.

[HousERaT]

two china sticks both with the tiki man 2.6v.... perhaps lady luck has smiled on me.... now to the testing..... :D

[Reefa_Madness]

You, sir, are lucky.


How about giving me 5 numbers, from 1-59 and no duplicates please. Anytime before 10PM tomorrow night would be fine.

[HousERaT]

o.k. started out at 218 @ 2-2-2-11 with the full gig.... 2.9 vcore and vdd 1.6.... no problems.... now up to 228 2.9 vcore and vdd 1.6 still no problem..... so far so good

btw the packs were in the clear cases taped together.... so not the official package but they looked like brand new sticks....

[HousERaT]

You, sir, are lucky.


How about giving me 5 numbers, from 1-59 and no duplicates please. Anytime before 10PM tomorrow night would be fine.


I'm not hatin'

8, 20, 33, 35, 40.....

good luck bro..... :p

[julianba]

Well I received the ram today shrink wrapped in clear packaging like everybody else. Both sticks are assembled in usa and are priming at 240fsb and 3.2v. Prime just failed, doh!

[saltytheseagull]

Do you think these and an ocz booster or the pqi ram is better? They'd both run about the same price. I'm looking to put this in an asus a7n8x-e and probably a 64 down the road.
8 1 22 3 5 18

[Reefa_Madness]

My goodness, no wonder I never win...its six numbers not five...darn that explains alot of funny looks from cashiers, huh?

edit:

My third stick, the one that had done 25 plus passes of Memtest. Two errors or pass #27 and two more on pass #38. Darn, darn, double darn.

so far 1 @ 232, 1 @ 223 and 1 @ 239

Just started working with #4.

[HousERaT]

update... cannot run 2-2-2-11 @228 with 2.9vcore and 1.7vdd in dual mode.... testing now at 2.5-2-2-11.

[HousERaT]

update: out of the box these sticks will do 217 @ 2-2-2-11 with 2.9vcore and 1.7vdd using the D26 Splitfire cpcon bios.... i'll try some of the other bios later..... A ddr booster & possibly some serious burn in time will be required to go any higher with these timings.

[pershoot]

update: out of the box these sticks will do 217 @ 2-2-2-11 with 2.9vcore and 1.7vdd using the D26 Splitfire cpcon bios.... i'll try some of the other bios later..... A ddr booster & possibly some serious burn in time will be required to go any higher with these timings.

u need cpc off when working with 2x512. your limit will be ~220 with cpc on (where you are now just about).

with cpc off, youll gain at least ~230 (and much higher (depending on your parts)) with cpc off.

[Reefa_Madness]

Well, the last one hit 231 so to recap mine (all in single-channel):

Stick #1 (China) 232 @ 2.9v with 2-2-2-11 timings
Stick #2 (USA - no Tiki man) 223 @ 2.9v with 2-2-2-11 timing
Stick #3 (USA - with Tiki man) 239 @ 2.9v with 2-2-2-11 timings
Stick #4 (USA - with Tiki man) 231 @ 2.9v with 2-2-2-11 timings

The best 2-2-2 timings I've gotten from my PQI 2x256 TCCD ram (granted this is dual-channel) has been 219 and all of these surpass those sticks when it comes to tight timings.

[squeekyMop]

sweet ram you guys got there hehe too bad im outta moos.. guess my 2700 will do

[HousERaT]

now using the D26 Manta Rays XT bios.. so far I agree with Reefa that this bios is better suited for BH-5 ram... had to turn down the vdd just to get it stable which means I have some headroom to play with.... I'll try some cpc off bios tomorrow Pershoot so we'll see if there is any difference.... I don't know much about BH-5 ram right now but I will real soon... :D

[Catalan]

So would you recommend this vendor now Reefa now that you've actually gotten your sticks and tested?

[Reefa_Madness]

So would you recommend this vendor now Reefa now that you've actually gotten your sticks and tested?

From my perspective, the ram's performance has nothing to do with the Vendor's ethics (let me restate that - lack of ethics is more appropriate). It's performance doesn't change the fact that it was sold as new/retail packaging and anyone that has purchased these knows that this packaging is not Kingston retail so there is no way they are as described. The vendor's ethics become an issue if the ram was defective and several guys over at FM received dead sticks. How well does that vendor deals with an RMA is certainly a big question if they can't even be trusted to propertly describe their products. And to argue with you that they didn't mislead by playing word games.

I consider myself lucky that all four of these refurbs (and I am convinced that is what I have) work but let me be clear about this...I will never purchase again from CompuVest, regardless of how well an item is priced. That is my personal decision and everyone will have to make their own.

I think that anyone else that buys this ram from them can at least make an informed decision as to whether they want to buy refurb bh-5 for 100/512 stick. Most of us would probably consider that a decent buy. I just don't appreciate being deceived on what I was buying, plus I did not appreciate that those guys kept playing word games when I spoke with them on the phone. I have purchased enough Kingston ram to know when a couple of salesmen are trying to word play on what is new and what is retail packaging. One of them actually asked me how I knew that Kingston wasn't lying to me when Kingston told me they only shipped in the black boxes. I'm supposed to believe them telling me that those clear boxes are retail packaging over what Kingston told me, plus my experiences with having bought over 20 dual packs of Kingston ram in the last year alone. Get real!

I guess those guys know that they have your money and that with me in Florida, there wasn't a whole lot I could do except for what I have already done, which is post a review at Bizrate, contact Kingston and let them know what CompuVest is doing with these "retail" products, plus what I have left to do which is call the Washingston State Better Business Bureau and report these guys as well as rate them at resellers.com, oh yeah, and the last thing that I will be certain to do is to avoid them.

There are plenty of other ethical vendors that would appreciate my business so I have no need to deal with those jackals.

Does that answer your question?

[HousERaT]

very well stated Reefa.... I'll pretty much be doing some of the same things..... But since I already have the ram let me ask you this.... as far as the specs go are you using a cpc on or off bios? and what are you using for vdd with the BH-5? This stuff doesn't act anything like the TCCD ram....

[Reefa_Madness]

But since I already have the ram let me ask you this.... as far as the specs go are you using a cpc on or off bios? and what are you using for vdd with the BH-5? This stuff doesn't act anything like the TCCD ram....

I am using tictac's D26 Manta Rays XT with CPC ON (but remember, this is testing single sticks). My settings are:

Vcore: 1.85v-1.90
Vdmm: 2.9v (except that I tested each stick at 2.6v on the initial BOOT)
Vdd: 1.6v (but did not try anything lower during this preliminary testing)
Vagp: 1.6v

I tested each stick individually so that I could determine which combination would give me the best "matched" set. Unfortunately, the best match are the two middle performers. I'm greedy, I was hoping for four that would do 240 at 2.9v (just to compensate me for the having to deal with CompuVest).

I'm planning on trying them on an Intel rig capable of giving the ram 3.3v so that will give me a better picture of what they can really do.

[Hughhefner]

I jusat bought the last 2 512 sticks of pc 3000 hyperx they had in stock, i'm betting they are bh5, tyey were 8 bucks more than the 3200

[Reefa_Madness]

Is that from ZZF or someplace else?

[Catalan]

Has anyone checked this place? I sent out an email to see if these are indeed the model # and I'm awaiting a reply. http://www.lacc.com/product.asp?pf_id=KHX3200K21G&dept_id=84-005

Finally newegg ships out my RMA for the PQI3200-1024DPU. Schedule delivery date is the 7th, hopefully this time I won't recieve 1 bad dimm so I can post results w/ my DFI board and my A64 3200+ AR. I also have a 1G of OCZ EB PC3500 on the way and I plan on ordering some of the new Hynix chips DT-D5, but I'm awaiting to see if the ADATA PC4200 @ komusa has replaced the old chips. I'll let you guys know how the results go.

[Strykar]

Has anyone checked this place? I sent out an email to see if these are indeed the model # and I'm awaiting a reply. http://www.lacc.com/product.asp?pf_id=KHX3200K21G&dept_id=84-005




For $200, you'd think they'd atleast give you a picture..

[HousERaT]

after testing this weekend I've come to the conclusion that BH-5 memory is only as good as the supplied voltage.... since my board is limited to 2.9v I'm not able to let this memory shine the way I've been told it can. I would be interested to hear how high folks can get this stuff to go on an nforce based socket-A board (NF7, Lanparty, yada yada yada) with a DDR Booster. Also what is the max one can get @ 2-2-2-11 and 2.5-3-3-11? Right now I'm at 218 at 2-2-2-11 and my system won't go any further without instability. Using CPC off bios got me to about 224 with the same timings.

[Catalan]

Okay just got a reply about the site I listed above (http://www.lacc.com/product.asp?pf_...&dept_id=84-005) avout their KHX3200K2/1G and this is what he had to say:
Hi Sir!

On your concern for part number KHX3200K2/1G, yes that's the part
number for
it. However, what we have on that item is third party-the item is not
an
original kingston but it is compatible. Its is exactly the same specs
as a
kingston. Please advise if this would work for you.

Best regards,
Francis
L..A Computer Center
Tel No. (310) 671.4444 x 233
Fax No. (310) 671.9565
AOL I.M: inigolacc
----- Original Message -----
From: "lacc.com (aaron)" <lacc@lacc.com>

To: "'Francis (lacc.com) ext 233'" <Francis@lacc.com>

Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 9:59 AM
Subject: Fw: Feedback from LACC Website

I noticed he said it's a third party item. Can anyone tell me what that means if so, are these chips indeed BH-5?

[Reefa_Madness]

I have no idea what that is unless it is the same thing that CompuVest is selling. Someone got a hold of some refurbs and is repackaging them in the clear boxes.

[Catalan]

Well once I get my full refund from a reseller that didn't have the item I wanted in stock I might place an order for these.

[Reefa_Madness]

Well once I get my full refund from a reseller that didn't have the item I wanted in stock I might place an order for these.

I've come to the conclusion that you have a bad case of it, too.

RAM Disease, yep...you've got it.

Better hope they find a cure.

[Catalan]

LOL, I hope they find one quick cause it's eating up my funds!

[Reefa_Madness]

I'm already half way through NEXT year's budget, so I know just what you mean.

Hey man! Did you hear about that new stuff that just came out? It is supposed to run DDR600 at timings of......see what I mean...I know you were already salivating about the prospects of new ram. Yep...you've got the disease.

[jlo56]

been playing with this memory the past week or so, and so far seems pretty decent :cool:

ran 2x512mb HyperX Bh5 in my DFI 250gb and 3400 CG Clawhammer
230mhz (DDR460) can do 2-2-2-5 @ 3.1V
240-245mhz can do 2-2-2-5 @ 3.2V approximately
all 1T CPC

been tryin to reach DDR500, but seems like theres something funny with the AMD on-die mem controller where 10X250 (1:1) gives errors in memtest, while 9X250 (1:1) runs fine....same memory speed but different cpu multiplier???? :eh?:
they telling me on the DFI official forums that at 10x250 its the memory that cant keep up with the CPU speed, whileits fine at 9x250....

anyways, is there any decent memory that can hit 255mhz at decent timings? (2-3-3-7 or lower?) what matters more on a single channel 754 mobo built for gaming?...mem bandwidth or timings? Thinking about gettin some OCZ Plat Rev2 to try to hit 270mhz or more....

[krag]

I'm already half way through NEXT year's budget, so I know just what you mean.

Hey man! Did you hear about that new stuff that just came out? It is supposed to run DDR600 at timings of......see what I mean...I know you were already salivating about the prospects of new ram. Yep...you've got the disease.

Hahahaha....its real! Here it is right here!!..........Gskill pc4400 & pc4800 (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42817&page=1&pp=25)


Gonna get me some of this! Catalan's been there already! :attn:

[Reefa_Madness]

Hahahaha....its real! Here it is right here!!..........Gskill pc4400 & pc4800 (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42817&page=1&pp=25)


Gonna get me some of this! Catalan's been there already! :attn:

Yeah, I read about it in that AnandTech review. I started a thread a few days ago just to let everyone know that the review was there.

Flapper started a thread in this ram as well. I hear he is just walking around muttering something like "gonna get me 300" over and over. I think he has RAM disease, too.

Watch out guys...you never know who could be next.

[HousERaT]

Watch out guys...you never know who could be next.

I've been going to a ram support group..... I don't know if it's helping. I still have these urges. :)

[Catalan]

Just got a reply back from the site I linked to earlier about the KHX3200K2/1G:

They are exactly of the same specs of Kingston, the difference is the
manufacturer. They are manufactured by Precise or Simple Tech.

Francis
L..A Computer Center
Tel No. (310) 671.4444 x 233
Fax No. (310) 671.9565
AOL I.M: inigolacc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Catalan" <catalan@email.com>

To: "Francis R (ext 233)" <francis@lacc.com>

Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: KHX3200K2/1G

[Reefa_Madness]

What kind of answer is that? How does someone claim to be selling KHX 3200 manufactured by someone other than Kingston. Will the next guy offer OCZ PC3200 Plat Rev 2 manufactured by PNY?

Either its Kingston HyperX with BH-5 or its not.

[Strykar]

Got my gig today, one from USA, the other from China... both are 2.6V, both have tiki man. KHK3200K2/1G.

Cant use it yet because my only rig is setup for Rambus... refurb'd mobo coming in tomorrow, so ill swap everything over then run some small tests, nothing major though... will post more results once the DFI UT comes out for S939, but that could be another month :(

[julianba]

after testing this weekend I've come to the conclusion that BH-5 memory is only as good as the supplied voltage.... since my board is limited to 2.9v I'm not able to let this memory shine the way I've been told it can. I would be interested to hear how high folks can get this stuff to go on an nforce based socket-A board (NF7, Lanparty, yada yada yada) with a DDR Booster. Also what is the max one can get @ 2-2-2-11 and 2.5-3-3-11? Right now I'm at 218 at 2-2-2-11 and my system won't go any further without instability. Using CPC off bios got me to about 224 with the same timings.



Well I removed the heatspreaders and I put an 80mm fan blowing right on the ram and I can use 3.3volts without errors, whereas before it got memtest errors when using over 3.2 volts. Two chips on one of the sticks had a plastic sticker between the thermal tape and the chips. That can't be helping the thermal transfer.

Anyway with 3.3 volts and the heatspreaders removed and active cooling, I'm priming at 250x10 2,2,2,11 dual channel cpc off right now. I don't know if it's stable yet but I'm crossing my fingers.

[HousERaT]

Well I removed the heatspreaders and I put an 80mm fan blowing right on the ram and I can use 3.3volts without errors, whereas before it got memtest errors when using over 3.2 volts. Two chips on one of the sticks had a plastic sticker between the thermal tape and the chips. That can't be helping the thermal transfer.

Anyway with 3.3 volts and the heatspreaders removed and active cooling, I'm priming at 250x10 2,2,2,11 dual channel cpc off right now. I don't know if it's stable yet but I'm crossing my fingers.

my fingers are crossed for you bro..... that would be sweet if you can keep that thing stable at those speeds and timings..... I'm considering getting the ddr booster but I'm skeptical my NF7 can get anywhere close to 250..... I'd be happy if I could get up around 235-240 with cpc off.

[mcoleg]

julianba, any trick to removing the heatspreaders?

[krag]

julianba, any trick to removing the heatspreaders?

I used the the tip of a small nail file on my swiss Army knife. I put the tip under the edge of the top silver clip and gently pried up. The clip slid up easily and left no visible marks. I then pryed the corner of the heatspreader up far enough with my fingers until I could clearly see the mem codes. Do not pry the whole heatspreader off because it will void your warrenty. I hope this helps.

[mcoleg]

thanks krag, good advise :)

[julianba]

julianba, any trick to removing the heatspreaders?


If you want to completely remove the heatspreaders, then pop off the silver clips like krag said. Next put the ram in a zipper bag and throw it into the freezer for 30 minutes. After 30 minutes the thermal tape is hardened and you can pop off the heatspreaders pretty easily. There will be a little condensation when you pull the ram from the bag, but just let the ram sit at room temperature to dry for a few minutes before using it.

[mcoleg]

nice trick, thanks julianba :)

i wonder, is there a benefit to removing heatspreaders completly?

and are there better options for cooling? besides a fan, that is... i got that :P