what the hell is wrong with my 3dmark 2001se??

[kouch]

so look at the rig in my sig. I mean after a volt mod and some cooling improvements, I upped the core to 492!!! from 459 and my 3dmark 2001se went from 19826 (my previous high) to just 19607!!!! No matter what I do I can't break 20k. What the hell, with this rig shouldn't I be at 20k+?

(btw tried uninstall and reinstall of 2k1 already no luck)

[hUMANbEATbOX]

sometime the core is simply MAXED out, and adding more mhz does nothing, only decrease your score.

although, 19k is awfully low, even for your previous clock of 459.

here's my 20k to compare. 2.4c@3.6, 9700pro @ 371/344.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7460491

[enduro]

Wow, that's really odd. I'm getting 20150 at 233*11.5 on my rig and card running 420/338. Have you tried upping your fsb and lowering your multiplier a little. Try running an 11x with a higher fsb and see where that gets you.

[kouch]

well I can't really up the fsb since it is pretty much maxed at 225. It will do up to 230 but once every 10 days or so I will get a memory error and a BSD and so I just run at 225 since I leave my comp on 24/7 and at 225 I have never had a BSD (well not because of memory problems anyways).

[HousERaT]

that is strange.... I'm over 20,700 and your system is running at a higher cpu core than mine. The only thing that comes to mind is drivers. Which are you using?

[PLOBBY]

yea, ive had trouble reaching 19000....its kinda wierd...i flashed it to an xt and the other day i put the old version cga rev 3 on it and i got my core up to 441 w/ no artifacts(i was happy:)) cause that was an accomplishment cause the stock cooling ran HOT as hell....so the men is still at 365 untill i get some sinks for it....but its wierd my 3dmark03 went up from 6200 to 6660 which i was happy...but im still confused on 3dmark01...im at like 18600...and i was at least hoping to get to 19000.....but my cpu is at 2.1 not much but a little improvement(need to get a new heatsink)...but same...im also using omegas 4.8

[Kenshiro]

Thats odd, when I have my Abit NF7-S, o/c my mobile to 2.65Ghz, I get a little over 20K with my Video at stock. I think you may have a driver issue.

On the other hand, your 3dmark03 is over 7000. that is a super scure..... why get upset about the score on 3D mark 01

[Kenshiro]

Just have a brainstorm.....

Do a L12 wire mod and you can increase your FSB further. I am very sure you will get above 20k.

[kouch]

already have the L12 done, and btw I am using the official CAT 4.9's for drivers.

[enduro]

:shudder: 4.9? I had a bad experience with those. I tried to stick with the 4.7's. I didn't like the 4.9's at all. When I loaded the 4.9's my vidcard lost a 1000 on 3DMark, so I'm sticking with the Omega 4.7's. I'd give those a try personally.

[kouch]

ok tried omega 4.7's and then the omega 4.9's no luck. The best I got was 19879 with omega 4.7 (and 19856 with omega 4.9's) a little better but not statistically significant.

[Sentential]

Ok something is seriously wrong. Are you getting RAM errors? How stable is your PC? Also have you set *everything* to performance and made damn sure that AA and AINSO are off?

You should be getting atleast 21.5k, like what I used to get on my old 9800PRO. Granted I was at 237 FSB with 3-2-2-11, but thats not enough difference to drop you back to 19k.

Hell my tbred did 19.

[crimedog]

if you want to max your 3d01 score you have to set up the system first.
-win2k
-disable extra services, tweak the hell out of it
-install the modded 3.1 drivers
-tweak video settings to max performance

Also, with 9800p's there is the max clock and then there are the max clocks for high scores. Once you get past a certain point your scores will start to go down even though there are no artifacts. You have to find the max score in relation to the clocks. Get to work! I would guess you could score ~22k

[Aphex_Tom_9]

Once you get past a certain point your scores will start to go down even though there are no artifacts. You have to find the max score in relation to the clocks. Get to work! I would guess you could score ~22k
my thoughts as well

[Gautam]

so look at the rig in my sig. I mean after a volt mod and some cooling improvements, I upped the core to 492!!! from 459 and my 3dmark 2001se went from 19826 (my previous high) to just 19607!!!! No matter what I do I can't break 20k. What the hell, with this rig shouldn't I be at 20k+?

(btw tried uninstall and reinstall of 2k1 already no luck)
Windows 2000, directx 8.1, cat 4.8 = 21.5k, I can bet on it.

Don't use 3.1's. They were good in their day, but 4.8 is king now, for every benchmark out there, and for every ATi card.

You could break 20k with that system at 2.3GHz, but its a matter of how badly you want the score, and how far you'll go in tweaking to get it.

[Overclocker550]

4.9 cats are the best for me, I hit almost 21k with a softmodded 9500np but thats a64 and win2k for ya. 20k is gonna be hard without win2k and an a64

[Gautam]

4.9 cats are the best for me, I hit almost 21k with a softmodded 9500np but thats a64 and win2k for ya. 20k is gonna be hard without win2k and an a64
I get 20k at dead stock speeds.

I also got 20k with a T-bred, yes T-bred, not Barton at 2.5GHz, with crappy timings, and a 9800pro. 20k is a piece of cake with a mobile Barton and 9800 pro. In fact, most systems can pull off 21k pretty easily when tweaked properly. My pb in winxp was 19.8k, so not far off there either.

[Sentential]

4.9 cats are the best for me, I hit almost 21k with a softmodded 9500np but thats a64 and win2k for ya. 20k is gonna be hard without win2k and an a64
:eh?: Need I remind you about my 21.5k on windows XP :P

[Gautam]

:eh?: Need I remind you about my 21.5k on windows XP :P
Your comp is just sick for an AthlonXP. :santa:

[enduro]

^ Yeah, and he still whines about it. Always crying about the fsb not being high enough, needs more fsb at a higher multiplier, gotta beat the A64's with an AXP........ ;) jk Sen.

[kouch]

well I am pretty sure it's stable as a rock. I did continuous loops of memtest overnight with no errors and then ran prime95 for 18hrs no porblems. Also have been running F@H for a week now (no reboots) and not a single hitch so I guess I am stable.

As far as your suggestions, I can try everything but the windows 2k thing since I don't have a copy available and am not going through the trouble of installing an OS just for some benchie.

[Gautam]

am not going through the trouble of installing an OS just for some benchie
This is really your only choice if you want to score big. At least a clean XP installation, if not 2K, but not one with extra programs, etc, installed. That just destroys your score.

[kouch]

well thanks so much for your help Gautam and Sen

I diabled everthing and its mother and installed cat4.8 and twiddled around with the clock speeds for my core. It seems I get best results at core speed of 477.75 and cat4.8's. My score is up to 21219 and that feels really good :burn:


(And btw Sen you rock. My next rig is going to be exactly like your's at that time so I can just mimic you from that point on. That way I can just PM you about your settings and such....lol ;)

[Sentential]

well thanks so much for your help Gautam and Sen

I diabled everthing and its mother and installed cat4.8 and twiddled around with the clock speeds for my core. It seems I get best results at core speed of 477.75 and cat4.8's. My score is up to 21219 and that feels really good :burn:


(And btw Sen you rock. My next rig is going to be exactly like your's at that time so I can just mimic you from that point on. That way I can just PM you about your settings and such....lol ;)
...god I hope not.. I wouldnt wish my ****ty 9800PRO on anyone. *Your* 9800PRO is making me very jelouce :drool: God I wish I had a near 500mhz PRO on water :bang head If mine was 1/2 as good as yours I wouldnt have a 6800GT.

Even if your system is nothing like mine, I would be glad to help in any way reguardless.

_______

^ Yeah, and he still whines about it. Always crying about the fsb not being high enough, needs more fsb at a higher multiplier, gotta beat the A64's with an AXP........ ;) jk Sen.
...lol werent you the one bitching about not getting 240?:D(j/king too)

[Overclocker550]

you hit 21.5k on a crappy 9800 pro and almost 25k on a 6800gt, I need more cpu power if I am gonna beat you man, I only have 2.6GHz, yes its an a64 but still we both have the same cpu power, mine just has 64 bit support. when I get a good winchester(like 3GHz when they overclock this far) ill have like 23k with my softmodded 9500np :beer: :bday:

[ViperJohn]

so look at the rig in my sig. I mean after a volt mod and some cooling improvements, I upped the core to 492!!! from 459 and my 3dmark 2001se went from 19826 (my previous high) to just 19607!!!! No matter what I do I can't break 20k. What the hell, with this rig shouldn't I be at 20k+?

(btw tried uninstall and reinstall of 2k1 already no luck)

3DM01se is a dependant on system speed as it is on card speed. If you can
get your FSB up
and run a lower multi you will get your 20K.

Viper

[kouch]

please read all the posts, the issue has already been resolved and I am up to 21.2K now thanks to Sen and Gautam. Put this to rest please.

[Gautam]

you hit 21.5k on a crappy 9800 pro and almost 25k on a 6800gt, I need more cpu power if I am gonna beat you man, I only have 2.6GHz, yes its an a64 but still we both have the same cpu power, mine just has 64 bit support. when I get a good winchester(like 3GHz when they overclock this far) ill have like 23k with my softmodded 9500np :beer: :bday:
You're trying to tell me that an AXP has the "same CPU power" as an A64? :rolleyes: I can beat most AXP scores out there with my processor at stock. The only reason you can't is because you never quit using cards that are over two years old.

[Gautam]

well thanks so much for your help Gautam and Sen

I diabled everthing and its mother and installed cat4.8 and twiddled around with the clock speeds for my core. It seems I get best results at core speed of 477.75 and cat4.8's. My score is up to 21219 and that feels really good :burn:


(And btw Sen you rock. My next rig is going to be exactly like your's at that time so I can just mimic you from that point on. That way I can just PM you about your settings and such....lol ;)
Great to hear. I guess it was artifacting at 492?

[kouch]

not at all actaully. I ran that japanese artifact testing program, atitool and 3dmark over and over and there were no artifacts at all. Strange but lowering the clock a bit seems to help the 2001se scores. But ONLY the 2001se scores. My 03 scores go down as well as game benchies (e.g. doom3 timedemo goes from 59.0fps to 55 fps or so at high settings)

[Gautam]

3DMark01 is very random. The first test, in particular. I usually run it about 15-20 to get a good run in. I bet it was just chance then that you got your highest score at 477. There's no other reason why a high clock should yield a lower score.