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Über~PhLuBB
09-01-01, 08:56 PM
I've got a MASSIVE 60mm x 65mm x 30mm heatsink with a 60mm fan screwed on that thing. I've got HUGE 80mm x 25mm x 20mm RAMsinks attached via Thermal Epoxy on the corners of the chips, ASII in the middle.
I can get my core and memory up to 280 / 530, respectively. Now, with massive sinks like mine, and more-than-adequate case cooling (I also have 2 40mm fans in the PCI slot holes in the back of my case, to help with airflow) I've seen claims that one can get GeForce2 Ultras up to 370 core, 580 memory (See here http://www.digit-life.com/articles/gf2ultraoverclock/index.html). I don't think I want to believe those clockspeeds. There CAN'T be that much difference in manufacturing tecniques, so as to yield a difference of 90 core / 50 mem from my maximum stable sumbers.
I can get the core up to 315, if I leve the memory alone, but it halts the system at 320. I can also get the memory up to 545, if I leave the core alone.
Those are my MAXIMUM, absolute MAXIMUM numbers, I can't possibly get higher then that without my system halting.
So WTF? Why is Digit-Life able to get their Korean-ass LeadTek card up to 370 / 580, when I can't get my American made card past 315 / 545 without a halt, when I have MASSIVE cooling?
My 3DMark2000 score is 3030. That's also way too damn low... suggestions?
Edit: My 3DMark2001 score is 545. That's PATHETIC! WTF?!
Über~PhLuBB
09-01-01, 11:02 PM
Bump
It says the ambient temps were -2C (they took the rig outside to perform the overclock). This will greatly affect the outcome :).
It also depends if the companies supplied them with "better than average cards" knowing they would be benchmarking them.
Every little difference may account for the discrepancy.
Über~PhLuBB
09-02-01, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by Pinky
It says the ambient temps were -2C (they took the rig outside to perform the overclock). This will greatly affect the outcome :).
It also depends if the companies supplied them with "better than average cards" knowing they would be benchmarking them.
Every little difference may account for the discrepancy.
So what's the problem with my rig that prevents DirectX from working properly? In UT, I get 315FPS at 1280 x 1024, 16 bit color, DetailTextures True, CurvedSurfaces False staring at a wall, and 100 FPS in game when using OpenGL.
If I use Direct3D in UT, I can't pass 60 FPS, even staring at a wall, and the game chugs along at a hideous 15FPS in game.
I use Direct3D 8.1 (I've tried them all, 7.0, 8.0, 8.1), and the nVidia 14.70 drivers. What's the problem? Changing resolution, color depth, world/character detail, even the drivers or Direct3D versions don't help (I've tried all of them from 10.80 to 14.70)
Sounds like the old VIA "problem"- Do you have a VIA board? If so, make sure you install the latest 4-in-1 drivers and your scores will double at least. Check to be sure all your old vid cards are totally removed from registry and drivers removed also, that can fudge things up to.
Über~PhLuBB
09-02-01, 05:55 AM
Where can I get this "4 in 1" thing? Can you link me? Or give me a phrase to search for via Alta Vista?
redduc900
09-02-01, 09:55 AM
You can get the latest "official" 4in1's (the 4.32's) from either your MB manufacturer's site, directly from Viatech (http://www.viatech.com/jsp/en/dr/driver.jsp), or from Viahardware (http://www.viahardware.com).
The latest BETA 4in1's (the 4.33's) are also available from Viahardware.;)
!-=sky=-!
09-02-01, 10:00 AM
i think the only reason that leadtek beats the card you are using is because leadtek uses better memory then your card
I also carry the newest drivers in my link below. You're free to try anything in there.
Sounds like the reason you can only get 60 fps in d3d is the d3d vsync is on.I had the samething until I installed the coolbits reg file which will let you turn this off as you can in opengl mode.
Über~PhLuBB
09-02-01, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by Chief
Sounds like the reason you can only get 60 fps in d3d is the d3d vsync is on.I had the samething until I installed the coolbits reg file which will let you turn this off as you can in opengl mode.
I've already applied the coolbits reg hack, and I don't have the option to turn off vertical sync in Direct3D.
Originally posted by PhLuBB
I've already applied the coolbits reg hack, and I don't have the option to turn off vertical sync in Direct3D.
Powerstrip, another download I have, does have this setting.
Über~PhLuBB
09-03-01, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by Pinky
Powerstrip, another download I have, does have this setting.
I installed powerstrip (Thanks, BTW!), and when Powerstrip starts, I get the following error. If I check Display properties, then the GeForce2 Ultra tab, I can see it says "Bus Type: AGP", not PCI. Yet, for some reason, Powerstrip detects the card as PCI. Could this be the problem, and if so, how can I make it recognize the card as AGP?
(I clicked Cancel, to wait for your expertise)
[i]My 3DMark2000 score is 3030. That's also way too damn low... suggestions?
Edit: My 3DMark2001 score is 545. That's PATHETIC! WTF?! [/B]
Is that when you have it overclocked?
Originally posted by PhLuBB
I installed powerstrip (Thanks, BTW!), and when Powerstrip starts, I get the following error. If I check Display properties, then the GeForce2 Ultra tab, I can see it says "Bus Type: AGP", not PCI. Yet, for some reason, Powerstrip detects the card as PCI. Could this be the problem, and if so, how can I make it recognize the card as AGP?
(I clicked Cancel, to wait for your expertise)
I ignored this message and went ahead and used the program anyway.
Über~PhLuBB
09-03-01, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by Walter:-)
Is that when you have it overclocked?
Doesn't matter if it is or not, same score.
Cocytus
09-03-01, 06:36 PM
I would try the new via drivers, check to see if it is sharing its IRQ with any other device, and set my card settings to 285/500 and deselect v-sync. Also some of those board came with 4ms memory and some with 4.5ms.
Über~PhLuBB
09-03-01, 06:49 PM
Screw VIA's 4 in 1 drivers. I went to www.amd.com and got their "Driver pack", which is essentially the same as the Via 4 in 1 drivers. It contains 4 updates, IDE, AGP, PCI, and Registry. I was able to apply 3 of those 4 (All but registry), and I got 5778 3D Marks in 3DMark2000, using the default benchmarking settings! My framerates in Unreal Tourney are up 3 fold! EASILY 100FPS average, 40FPS with 5 or 6 players on screen in a big room. Hah!
For some reason, 3DMark2001 won't install... I don't know why.
What other 3D benchmarking programs can I download? I want to see what kinds of scores I can get with this monster card, now that it has the proper and latest drivers!
Since these FPS problems started, the HUD in Unreal Tournament is no longer transparent, and some players appear as a solid color. The solid color goes away when that player is shot at. It can happen to any model, any team color. They appear the same color as their team color.
Also, Max Payne is giving me a ddraw error, which is obviously related to me installing DirectX 8.1 beta, then installing DirectX 8.0 over that. What's the problem there? How can I fix it?
PhLuBB, with that big of a heatsink you should try a peltier!
I bet it would be neat! You will probably be able to hevily
overclock the card!
Über~PhLuBB
09-03-01, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by YMAN
PhLuBB, with that big of a heatsink you should try a peltier!
I bet it would be neat! You will probably be able to hevily
overclock the card!
That would require me to go purchase a peltier, and another powersupply for it, not to mention finding a place for that powersupply... and my official monatary balance is $0. =P I'd like to watercool the HSF and RAM (Yes, you cna watercool RAM) with a peltier on the GPU, but I don't have the funds. Care to donate a grant? =)
Originally posted by PhLuBB
That would require me to go purchase a peltier, and another powersupply for it, not to mention finding a place for that powersupply... and my official monatary balance is $0. =P I'd like to watercool the HSF and RAM (Yes, you cna watercool RAM) with a peltier on the GPU, but I don't have the funds. Care to donate a grant? =)
For all the time you spend tweaking I'd be willing to throw you a few spare bucks out of my paypal account :).
I get a % of your results and of the patents. lol
Über~PhLuBB
09-03-01, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by Pinky
For all the time you spend tweaking I'd be willing to throw you a few spare bucks out of my paypal account :).
I get a % of your results and of the patents. lol
Naw, I was just joking around. I won't take money gifts, unless it's Christmas or my Birthday. I'll be getting a paycheck here real soon, and I'm saving up little by little. I'll certainly stick with this (of all) newsgroup(s), and post pictures when I get the job done. Course, by then, I'll probably have a GeForce5 Ultra 1.2GB QDR (Quad Data Rate)
popadel
09-04-01, 04:46 AM
The nanoseconds on the mem ram makes all the difference. Your GPU on a GTS can reach the same performance as the Ultra if it had the same memory bandwidth. 4 Nanoseconds on the Gaynwold Ultra is as good as it gets for now but i know Samsung have a 3NS chip coming out for the GF3MX. Yours is propably 4.5 or even 5NS which heats up quickly and slows performance regardless of how much you cool it down.
I reach a score 9250 on 3DMARK 2000, and 3800 on the 3DMark 2001 with my GForce 2 Pro at 250/470. NOTE!!!!! - FSB on the system improves the FPS performance a lot more than the CPU frequency increase.
IM TRYING FOR 10,000 on the 3DM2K!!!
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