View Full Version : shall i go presscot?
currently ive got a 2.4c, and i often notice in games (i game a lot) that 3.0ghz gives me those extra frames i need... often i OC this CPU to 3.0, but since my father actually wont let me, i cant run it at that speed a lot, so im wondering if getting a 3.0 would be a good idea since prizes are dropping a lot...
thats where the presscot question comes in, presscot always had heat issues, but at the moment, its about a lot cheaper than its northwood brother, so im wondering if the presscot is actually worth buying at the moment.. if the heat issue is the only thing, and it is otherwise better than a northwood, then ill go presscot, but if presscot still sucks.. then i may give in and spend some more on a northwood..
whoever
10-18-04, 03:49 PM
well if your not looking to OC then its fine.
hawtrawkr
10-24-04, 02:54 PM
currently ive got a 2.4c, and i often notice in games (i game a lot) that 3.0ghz gives me those extra frames i need... often i OC this CPU to 3.0, but since my father actually wont let me, i cant run it at that speed a lot, so im wondering if getting a 3.0 would be a good idea since prizes are dropping a lot...
thats where the presscot question comes in, presscot always had heat issues, but at the moment, its about a lot cheaper than its northwood brother, so im wondering if the presscot is actually worth buying at the moment.. if the heat issue is the only thing, and it is otherwise better than a northwood, then ill go presscot, but if presscot still sucks.. then i may give in and spend some more on a northwood..
i believe that a 3.0c outperforms a 3.0e in most games/applications up till around 3.6ish where the 3.0e would start to take a lead over the northwood.
why not buy a new 2.4c and then tell your dad "heres your new cpu if i burn this one out." then clock the 2.4 up to 3ghz and play that way.
its a little unorthadox but youd get your extra processing power with the addition of a faster fsb for less money.
Xenocide
10-24-04, 02:56 PM
man id never let my parents tell me what i can and can't do with my own stuff, tell him to go away nicely, in a mean way, then do what ever the hell you want.
you don't need to tell him your overclocking..
assuming its your computer...
i believe that a 3.0c outperforms a 3.0e in most games/applications up till around 3.6ish where the 3.0e would start to take a lead over the northwood.
why not buy a new 2.4c and then tell your dad "heres your new cpu if i burn this one out." then clock the 2.4 up to 3ghz and play that way.
its a little unorthadox but youd get your extra processing power with the addition of a faster fsb for less money.
You think? well my oppion is the opposite both my pressys run circles around my northwoods.........."whats alittle heat anyway"
If you want a chip that will kick you can't beat a 3.2E (or course thats my oppion)..its the most bang for your buck.....like I say whats alittle heat anyway. With good cooling a Prescott will beat down a c chip any day of the week..............
hawtrawkr
10-25-04, 06:35 PM
If you want a chip that will kick you can't beat a 3.2E (or course thats my oppion)..its the most bang for your buck.....like I say whats alittle heat anyway. With good cooling a Prescott will beat down a c chip any day of the week..............
im just basing this on my experience @ stock speeds my 2.8c scores higher than my 2.8e in sandra or any of the 3dmarks.... in fact the 2.8c wins out all the way up to the 3.5ghz i can get it to run stable at compared to my 2.8e @ 3.5ghz.
im just basing this on my experience @ stock speeds my 2.8c scores higher than my 2.8e in sandra or any of the 3dmarks.... in fact the 2.8c wins out all the way up to the 3.5ghz i can get it to run stable at compared to my 2.8e @ 3.5ghz.
My oppion is based on fact............3.0E and3.2E...........but like I said thats the way I see it.........I also have several northwoods and the only 1 that comes close is my 2.4C mo stepping@3540.............
(HR)Titan
10-26-04, 11:43 AM
With good cooling a Prescott will beat down a c chip
thats the mean thing
man id never let my parents tell me what i can and can't do with my own stuff, tell him to go away nicely, in a mean way, then do what ever the hell you want.
you don't need to tell him your overclocking..
assuming its your computer...
thats the part where it gets fun :p when i passed some exams, he promised me a new PC, so i built this one (the p4 one in my sig, first real build learned a lot from it) so basicly, its my PC, but as soon as i want to change something, he goes like "i payed for it" :-/
getting another 2.4 actually isnt such a bad idea! all i have to do now is find some place near me that still sells 2.4's :p (tricky part: near me)
so basicly, presscots arent better than northwoods untill about 3.4/3.5ghz? where the presscot core comes to its right..
NinjaZX6R
10-29-04, 04:04 PM
I'm a little confused on why everyone keeps saying that the prescotts arent faster until about 3.5ghz. If a northwood is faster than a prescott, why would the tables turn just because you get to this magical 3.5ghz? What is different at these higher clocks. To me, I think if a northwood is faster at 3ghz, it will be faster at 1ghz, or even 4ghz. Not trying to argue....I just really don't understand. Someone please enlighten me. My only guess is that maybe at higher clocks, the prescott starts to overcome its insanely deep pipeline?
-Collin-
man_utd
10-29-04, 05:47 PM
At that point, the longer pipeline can overcome the cache misses that slow it down at lower speeds.
asw7576
12-03-04, 01:38 AM
I've been away from computer tech 7 months, so I'm cluless right now. I don't quite understand if someone claimed prescott is slower than northwood. Isn't that socket 478 prescott has 1mb cache ?
About the heat things, is socket 478 prescott really hot ?
I'm planning to upgrade my NW 2.4C (800) to prescott 2.4 (533). I hope the new chip could take me to 3.6GHz. Is this good or bad move ?
I've been away from computer tech 7 months, so I'm cluless right now. I don't quite understand if someone claimed prescott is slower than northwood. Isn't that socket 478 prescott has 1mb cache ?
About the heat things, is socket 478 prescott really hot ?
I'm planning to upgrade my NW 2.4C (800) to prescott 2.4 (533). I hope the new chip could take me to 3.6GHz. Is this good or bad move ?
Kinnda depends on the chip you get, and what kind of memory you're using now. If you can get a decent o/c with high memory bandwidth right now, very bad move imo. Overall, i think that's a poor upgrade though. I would look into a newer pressy, maybe a 3.0E would fit your budget? I just couldn't justify that upgrade myself.
NinjaZX6R
12-03-04, 02:53 AM
I think it would be a rather poor move. The 533fsb prescotts don't have hyper threading either. Yes, the prescott has a higher multi, so you would get a higher overclock at the same fsb, but you'll be losing performance on the memory bandwidth. Like Sucka said, go with a higher model of the prescott if you really have to upgrade.
As far as prescott being slower than northwood, the northwoods usually outperform prescotts at lower frequencies. Once the prescotts are clocked higher (3.2-3.8 range) then they start to overcome their dreadfully long pipeline. This is just what I'm told. Your call though.
-Collin-
As far as prescott being slower than northwood, the northwoods usually outperform prescotts at lower frequencies. Once the prescotts are clocked higher (3.2-3.8 range) then they start to overcome their dreadfully long pipeline. This is just what I'm told. Your call though.
You're right. The HT (to me) is huge. And around 3.6~ is where i really saw the increase for prescott's. I had a 3.0C/3.4C, and i can tell you, the prescott's will perform better at higher clocks. At default/low clocks though, Northwood is the way to go. I just couldn't justify a 533 non HT chip, unless i was playing the GHz game with insane cooling.
asw7576
12-03-04, 04:46 AM
Thx man, prescott 2.4 (533) is out because no HT.
Should I buy prescott 2.8 (800) or northwood 3.0 (800) ? I'm not sure which chip gives me the best bang for the bux...... 1mb cache vs. 512kb cache.
My system is Asus P4P800.
Why are you limited to only those 2 options? I would say 3.0E, best of both worlds.
CandymanCan
12-03-04, 05:10 AM
"Thread jack"
Its Spelt Prescott Not presscot, Jognt
asw7576
12-03-04, 05:30 AM
Why are you limited to only those 2 options? I would say 3.0E, best of both worlds.
best bang for the bux....... I have 200 bux doing nothing. Both chip are selling 186 while the prescott 3.0 ( 3.0 E ? ) is 216.
hawtrawkr
12-03-04, 01:02 PM
Thx man, prescott 2.4 (533) is out because no HT.
Should I buy prescott 2.8 (800) or northwood 3.0 (800) ? I'm not sure which chip gives me the best bang for the bux...... 1mb cache vs. 512kb cache.
My system is Asus P4P800.
what kind of cooling where you planning on using?
I dont understand tell your oldboy your gonna buy 3ghz cpu anyway why does it matter if you gonna overclock you old cpu which your not gonna use cpu?
Why buy a 3ghz cpu which your old cpu does and if it goes tits up well you can buy the new cpu and at least you have a real reason
I don't see why he wouldn't let you run 3 gigs on that cpu, as long as the vcore isn't up around 1.65V it's not going to lower the lifespan to anything unacceptable. If you lower the lifespan by running the vcore at 1.57V from 10yrs to 5 yrs.... who cares? You're not going to have that computer 5yrs from now, I can guarantee it ;)
If you're on stock vcore, then there's absolutely no problems with overclocking to 3 gigs 24/7 as long as you've Primed it to make sure it's stable at that speed.
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