Sandra 2001 Stuff

[Sonny]

I finally got my system stable at 1.373GHz 274FSB 1.88V. All the info for my rig is on my sig. I think this is a true representation of my rig with fans so take a look & let me finish before you guys & girls reply to this.

[Sonny]

Idle Temps

[Sonny]

Load Temps

[Sonny]

CPU Benchmarks

[David]

I can't OC my Duron 650 past 696 as even then the temps are 35C + and if I try 715MHz then it reaches 42C and locks up.

[Sonny]

Multi-Media

[Sonny]

Memory Benchmarks

[Sonny]

Originally posted by penguinfreak
I can't OC my Duron 650 past 696 as even then the temps are 35C + and if I try 715MHz then it reaches 42C and locks up.


I'm a newbie. Started with computers last May 08,2001 & not sure if I can help but here goes nothin'! Did you try raising the voltage? Try giving her more juice if that is possible. Looks like you're using the FSB to O/C. What RAM you got? TONS of questions for you but if you make a sig with the details to your rig then things will be easier.

[Sonny]

I'M ALL DONE!!! Thanks to all the people that I have met in this forum,you guys know who you are, the senior members & everyone responsible that keeps this site up! Now I feel like a Gran Prix driver that just won SPA:cool: ! Now onto Monza & 1.4+GHz:D ..................hopefully.

[Alex99]

Nice OC Sonny. Those are pretty cool temps, especially the idle temp. You know, for some reason, I can't seem to get my idle temp lower then 45C. It usually sits around 46C, with load temp of 52-53C. I'm using Globalwin CAK38 with pretty good case ventalation. I'm running a 1.2 @ 1387 (146x9.5) @ 1.825 volts. I can do 150x9.5 for a 1425 CPU speed, but anything over 146, my USB optical mouse is useless. By the way, can't you try to lower your multiplier and increase your FSB? The higher the FSB the better the overall performance of the system. Just a thought.

[Wega!]

Nice OC Sonny! :)

Alex99 has a good pointe, try to raise the FSB and lower the mutiplier. You will get a lot better Mem score.

Anyway, welcome to the overclockers world!

[Sonny]

Your load temps remind me of my own when I had just one crappy excuse for a fan on the intake. My temps at idle are the result of TranceBear's tutorial on WPCREDIT & WPCRSET. I would expected that the CAK38 would fair better than my Dragon Orb 3 so it's a surprise. Maybe your room temp is on the high side or an air flow restriction. You can extrude hone the intake manifold@#%!$% I mean fix the clutter inside the case or something. Higher FSB you say? No problem as soon as i get better ram than what I have. The x10 seems to be a sweet spot with this little bugger.

[TranceBear]

WooHoo Sonny!!! Great job. What case cooling do you have. When you have a difference in idle/load temps that is a fairly large number that means your case is not getting optimal flow. Since you have pretty much everything under control now, you might want to work on that to get even better load temps. Once again Sonny, you've done good!!

[Sonny]

TranceBear - THANKS DUDE!!! I got this EL CHEAPO fan to blow on the side of my open case(not mounted) & that's it! I know that I need to do a better job than that so as soon as I cut out a hole on each side of my case I will mount some fans.:o . Still the Dragon Orb3 thats in there so it kinda sucks but in the future who knows:cool:

Think of this; All the CPUs from AMD are available here but the best HSF is the DOrb3:rolleyes: . No good fans or full tower cases & they will still try to sell you a 250W PSU if you don't check. A hot & humid part of the world with the HOTTEST CHIPS IN THE WORLD! Go figure.LOL

[TranceBear]

Time to get the dremel out and fire away. Cut, cut, cut!! Remember an old CD is the exact same size as the hole you need to cut for a 120mm blow hole/case fan hole. Great template!!

[Pitspawn]

Those memory scores are VERY impressive with only PC133 CL3 RAM! You actually get higher ALU scores on your rig and my ram is 384Mb Crucial PC150 Guarrenteed 2-2-2!!!

Thanks for all the screen shots, pictures can paint a thousand words. Well done on the high FSB.

[Sonny]

TranceBear - A Dremel?! ARGH!!! I'll be going to a machine shop to get some holes cut out from the sides of my case, cheaper than buying a dremel around here. Will try to figure out a good air flow path in my case as I only have a tiny bit of real estate to work with. There isn't any space on top of the PSU. Maybe buy an Enermax 430W PSU with the twin fan to help scavenge the hot air in my case also better quality juice to say the least. I'm hoping that I get at least 10%-15% more exhaust velocity so that hot air doesn't hang around inside the case & let the volume of flow handle the cooling not the pressure. Car knowledge in play here. Hopefully it works.

Pitspawn - Which ALU scores? If it's the CPU scores then it's more of a function of MHz than RAM. If it's on the Memory scores than that just means you still haven't reached your headroom yet & theres still a lot more to improve upon. Also Memory scores is the total of how your whole system functions in relation to memory tasks so compare your scores to similar Mobos. My SDRAM will only run on Normal speed. If I try to use Fast or Turbo all I get are registry access errors & the like. PC150 2-2-2 should do a lot better than my EL CHEAPO RAM. "Tweak 'em until it crashes!" is what I always say! That's just me

[Rob Cork]

Great OC Sonny :) I bet if you could get those temps down to the lower 40s you might be able to see 1400MHz, but 1378 is still impressive stuff - nearly a 300MHz oc! Course, lowering temps when the best hsf you can get is a Dragon Orb could be hard, so good luck.

As for improving those scores, I'm not sure there's too much to be done, other than the basic 'drop the multiplier, raise the fsb'. Those memory scores look great for PC133 - I've never had a KT133a board, only my old KT133, and that gave me scores a fair bit less than 500. I think you probably won't improve on those without upgrading your RAM, unless you can raise the fsb a little. Get some nice CAS2 stuff and you'll probably be able to switch to 'fast' or 'turbo', and ought to see some improvements.

Sorry I can't be of more help - I'm not familiar with the KT7a bios so I can't suggest any specific bios tweaks. Just keep fiddling, and see what you can manage :)

[Sonny]

More cooling hopefully soon. Do you guys think i should upgrade to a DDR system?

[Sonny]

You guys have any idea what kinda ram is good to order?

[TranceBear]

Originally posted by sonny
More cooling hopefully soon. Do you guys think i should upgrade to a DDR system?

Umm...NO!! Wait till DDR gets all the bugs out then switch when it is dirt cheap and more reliable.

[Rob Cork]

Originally posted by TranceBear


Umm...NO!! Wait till DDR gets all the bugs out then switch when it is dirt cheap and more reliable.
I think they have got all the bugs worked out - I haven't noticed any. There were plenty of chipset problems early on with DDR, but it's been around for ages now, and mobo manufacturers have got the hang of it. The combination of the AMD 760 northbridge and VIA 686B southbridge seems to be the most popular choice at the moment, and that's doing pretty well - my KG7 uses it.

And DDR is dirt cheap - at least the RAM itself is. Crucial PC2100 sells for exactly the same price as Crucial PC133, which of course is damn low at the moment - a 256MB PC2100 DIMM cost me just £30 from Crucial UK, including postage :)

There's also good DDR mobos out there for similar prices to normal SDRAM mobos - the Epox 8K7A springs to mind, I think it's only about £120, if that - there's still KT133a based boards around for more than that! I can't see any reason not to get DDR at the moment, if you're planning an upgrade - though this is just MHO of course :D

[David]

Originally posted by sonny



I'm a newbie. Started with computers last May 08,2001 & not sure if I can help but here goes nothin'! Did you try raising the voltage? Try giving her more juice if that is possible. Looks like you're using the FSB to O/C. What RAM you got? TONS of questions for you but if you make a sig with the details to your rig then things will be easier.

Found the prob yesterday. The inside of my case is a total MESS. So I tought I'd clean her up.Cleared out all the dust (all 456kg!!) and tidied up the cables. Booted her up (case open) and noticed something....my case fan is dead. Ah. problem solved.

thanks for the offer of help tho' ;-)

[Sonny]

TranceBear - Bugs,what bugs? Hmm...I haven't heard of any & thought it would be a performance boost.

Rob Cork - I was thinking about the ABIT KR7-RAID.

penguinfreak - HAHAHA!!! There you go! Clock it then test it then post some scores here.

[Alex99]

Sonny,
If you want DDR, you should wait for the nVidia nForce chipset mobo. In about a month, you will see some nForce mobos (Asus is the one I want) hit the streets. About the same time you will also see AMD desktop Palomino also. With nForce will blow everything away, at least on paper it seems to be the case. Just wait a little bit, you won't have to wait long.

[Sonny]

Alex99 - Heard about them NForce stuff & I will be waiting for more than a month to buy anything new. ASUS? Too many headaches from some people that I talked to at the computer shop that I frequent. ABIT+VIA is what I would stick to just because I'm familiar with them.

[Sonny]

New scores on the Memory Benchmark but I have to admit this is in no way stable:( :o :( :o :mad: . Sha ran the test ONE time then Sandra locked up big time forcing my temps to 57°C then after ctrl+alt+del to close the program I got the @#$%^& BSOD and had to restart. I also tried Turbo & it ran the test with great scores then when I tried to save the image BSOD again! Then since I was totally out of luck & figured "what else could go wrong" I tried changing the CYCLE LENGTH from 3 to 2. IT WILL NOT POST. Long continues beeps was all I got. How high can I go with the 3.3V Value? It's always been at 3.4V(anything lower & it will not even POST) in the BIOS but VIAhm reports it as 3.54V. Same with all my voltages, there is always a +.1 on VIAhm. Which one do I follow? BIOS or VIAhm? MBM5 also reports a +.1V. If you got the answers pls. pls. pls. throw down some rope.

[lennytiger]

sonny what heatsink and fan are u using??? those temps are way better than mine!!!

[Sonny]

All I got is a DOrb3 copper that is not really that good but it's ok for now.

[Sonny]

hmm.....uh......HELP? How far can I increase the voltage before I fry my RAM? Trying not to spend money:o

[warlok]

Originally posted by sonny
Load Temps
hey can you tell me where i can get this prog plz ???

[Sonny]

Originally posted by warlok

hey can you tell me where i can get this prog plz ???

Huh??? What program?

[-=UR=- Ranger]

Originally posted by penguinfreak
I can't OC my Duron 650 past 696 as even then the temps are 35C + and if I try 715MHz then it reaches 42C and locks up.

Have u tríed higher core voltage
The lock up doesn´t have to be created by too much temp.
It can also be to less voltage, so try it out

[-=UR=- Ranger]

I would say a 10% increase of the I/O voltage should still be save.
But for me personally I must say, that everything over 3.4 doesn´t work. 3.6 will let Windows start with regisry checker...
But it won´t fry your ram I believe.
Some Asus boards feed the ram 3.5 by default...

[Sonny]

Thanks Dude. That was what I wanted to know.