Some chemistry and radioactive materal= new liquid cooling??

[Pyros]

I found this in a notebook forum of all places and figured I would post it here. I found it quite entertaining. :D :attn:

HEY, I have been experimenting all day with a theory of chemistry for Liquid cooling, and my professor just called me with positive results!!! This is really cool, and beats Dry ice!!! It works like this:

First, an Aluminum compound is synthesized, called Alumina. Then, graphite is added, or carbon in its pure form. When the two hit one another they become very cold (about -110 Celcius) The reaction is something like this in chemical terms: Al2O3 + 3C ---> 2Al + 3CO

This reaction is performed in a pure environment of Xenon gas, which liquifies at this temperature. After the liquification, the reaction slows to a very slow pace, but the actual initial reaction requires around 20 KiloJoules or Energy!!! It is highly Endothermic, and if it touches the skin, it will freeze it on contact, so it is a hazard.

You may have noticed that the reaction produces aluminum metal, which isnt a problem using a filter, but carbon monoxide, the colorless, odorless deady gas... This is a problem, being that If there is a leak in the liquid cooling system, it will cause death if to much is inhaled. Besides that, the polyethelyne tubing used must be coated in a Pb+Hg+W metalloid compund, to insulate and protect from the radiation explained in the next part.

A small trace of Neptunium (a rare radioactive element can be added to slow the reaction further, but isn't really required. If added, it lengthens the reaction of the Alumina+Carbon to about 1 year solid, based on decompistion of the Alumina in a 4 hour test trial. Without it, the reaction lasts about 7 months. The piping must be coated in lead to ensure only small amounts of radiation leak if added, being that Neptunium is more radioactive then Uranium. With the small amount (80ng) added, it is really not severe, but is simply a safety measure instead.

This system runs perfectly according to my preliminary tests, and if successful will be a large leap in cooling not only in computers but in automobiles, etc. The trouble is, the base load has to very exact, otherwise the reaction of Alumina can be nearly -234 Celcius, which will freeze the molecules of Silicon into almost a volumeless state, which is not good for chips, LOL.. Hope this interests some people. Cheers, and goodnight!

This is the first time that I have heard of radioactive materal to aid cooling. :p
If anyone would like a direct link I will be happy to post it.

[greenman100]

this sounds like the biggest load of BS I've ever heard

what do I know, I only got Bs in Chem 1 and 2 in college

[Pyros]

http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=48940

Just so you know its not my bs. :o :D FYI the person that wrote this is a 21 year old best buy sales rep. so he might know what he is talking about. :eek: :rolleyes: I didnt realize they had such a comprehensive training program for there sales reps. :D

[greenman100]

http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=48940

Just so you know its not my bs. :o :D FYI the person that wrote this is a 21 year old best buy sales rep. so he might know what he is talking about. :eek: :rolleyes: I didnt realize they had such a comprehensive training program for there sales reps. :D


I am glad I feel the sarcasm

[Sniperboy]

That cooling system would work if you continually added massive amounts of carbon and Aluminum Oxide...


*Starts grinding up pencil lead and aluminum case scraps* :D

[greenman100]

http://notebookforums.com/showpost.php?p=519100&postcount=11

[Pyros]

http://notebookforums.com/showpost.php?p=519100&postcount=11

LMAO! nice post. :attn:

[Myhre]

Stuff like this makes me wish I had more of a chemistry background. Hey Greenman, how many W does a Northy generate? I thought 90W was in the ballpark at stock. Thats what I was using when testing my MachI before I sold it to Rhino.

[greenman100]

Stuff like this makes me wish I had more of a chemistry background. Hey Greenman, how many W does a Northy generate? I thought 90W was in the ballpark at stock. Thats what I was using when testing my MachI before I sold it to Rhino.


90w is a very good figure for a stock northwood

[JTanczos]

LMAO nice greenman although he still says you are wrong! :rollseyes: If it works great... If not great.... I just dont think ide buy any cooling system like that unless its in its fifth generation and proven safe beyond any doubts.

JT

[thorilan]

its fake. the guy that posted is a griefer

[Myhre]

You guys should have seen his sig. A64 FX55 Nforce4 2x6800U SLI DDR2 Huh?? Called him a liar on it. When did AMD 64's start supporting DDR2 :) I was so jealous of his sig that he had to remove it after that :rolleyes:

Might want to check out another post of his on the same forum. Apparantly he got a little mad at the Dell section. http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?p=519137#post519137

BTW I love his timeline of events.

"HEY, I have been experimenting all day with a theory of chemistry for Liquid cooling, and my professor just called me with positive results!!!

"Har Har, The Patent Is Pending..."

"My PC isn't built yet.. LOL, I am waiting on SLi board to ship. This experiment was done at school (I go to Rose Hulman), and was done in a very powerful lab, not a home system yet. The MOBO was an ABIT with a P4EE 3.4GHz OC@4.5GHz for 3 hours. I don't have screenies, because data wasn;t coolected using any type of Operating System that does screen shots"

This guys on cloud nine.

[Pyros]

I think the real goal here wasnt to disprove him but to make sure that people that dont know better arent fooled into thinking he knows what he is talking about. People like this come into forums talking about something that they figure most people wont understand and hope that people think they are hyper intelligent. Then you end up with the blind leading the blind.... Or he's a troll trying to get people fired up. Either way he got owned. :attn:

[Silversinksam]

He's fibbing, one give-away is he tells us of theory, then goes on to speak of 'This system runs perfectly according to my preliminary tests' , and then he goes on about building a rig with this magic formula.

I'm sending Greenman over there with a special parcel of Pixie dust.

PS Greenman, you shouldn't put this poor guy down and flame him, he's doing a good job doing that himself.

[ZachM]

I don't care if the chemistry aspect works or not. Just look at some things involved here: lead, carbon monoxide, radiation! No, not a health hazard at all. Sounds better than the mercury cooling idea! :D

I have another great idea to revolutionize computers. How about replacing our power supplies with mini nuclear reactors! Unlimited power, and no need for a battery backup! Sounds like a great idea, doesn't it?

[sunrunner20]

LOL! That nuclear reactor PSU is not as far fetched as you think. There is a new type of nuclear reactor that works off of a land slide reaction instead of a Chain reaction.

Summary of the system: The new nuclear reactor is called a Quantum Nuclear reactor. The fuel is Hafnium -198 that when exposed to X-ray sends of a shower of partials. It stops as soon as the X-rays are removed. And its half life is 30 years IIRC. So with this type of design it doesn’t take as much shielding and is not a mass danger to society because you can run the X-ray power wires close enough to the reaction to where they will melt as the reactor begins to over heat, nipping a meltdown in the bud. The US government is using these reactors in several test-phase UAVs.

[Moos3d]

Why not just use a wormhole to dissipate the heat from over the processor? No heatsink needed!

[greenman100]

PS Greenman, you shouldn't put this poor guy down and flame him, he's doing a good job doing that himself.


You're right, but it is a disservice of him to spew such misinformation to the world. People will believe him. Then again, I guess two wrongs don't make a right.

If I thought he was genuinely innocent, I wouldn't have laid into him so hard, but it is clear he is just unloading sacks of BS from his truck

[9mmCensor]

its fake. the guy that posted is a griefer
a what?

this is just too funny.

[David]

OK, you have two metals in a system means one is going to be reduced and the other oxidised.

I also fail to see where all this energy is going. Aluminium Oxide, as far as I know, does not react with carbon.

Chemically for the intial reaction dS = (50.99 + 17.1) - (14.10 + 84.9) JK^-1 = 68.09 - 99 = -30.91JK^-1

dG = dH - TdS

Assuming room temp = 298K

dG = dH + 9211.18

dH is HIGHLY ENDOTHERMIC apparently => a large positive number => dG very big => WILL NOT GO

This reaction is a no-go and is physically not feasible for any value of T due to negative entropy change!!!!.

EDIT: I'm a tard and cant add. This doesnt work.

[David]

Ok, for the reaction to be a feasbile one:

dH <= 9.2kJ/mol

136g will put out 9.2kJ in total. 1kg will put out 67kJ in total.

Lets take an average CPU - say 80Watts heat output? This is 80J per second. After 1000 seconds it has put out 80kJ of heat. This is around 16 mins and 40 seconds.

So an average CPU has put out more heat in around a quarter of an hour than 1kg of this reaction mixture can absorb. This doesnt include the >0.12kJ per 22.5 litres Xenon required to cool the Xenon. This doesnt take into account the weight of the metals involved (Pb, W, Hg etc).

Total utter class A bull****.

[sunrunner20]

I'm just now takeing Biology(im on track, 2nd year of Highschool) and most of this is makeing since.... I have the feeling chemistry and physics are going to be blowoff classes for me.

[David]

I will clarify what I am saying for the less chemically experienced.

dG is the Gibbs Free Energy Change which must be negative for a reaction to be feasible.
dH is Enthalpy change, ie the energy change. dH is negative for exothermic reactions which put out heat, and positive for reactions which are endothermic and absorb heat.
dS is Entropy change, ie the change in "how organised" the molecules are.

A reaction cannot proceed where dS is negative and dH is positive because:
dG = dH - TdS where T is temperature.

Thus we have here (using entropy data I googled for) that entropy is positive. From this equation, we know that dH is then less than or equal to TdS for a feasible reaction. 298K is room temperature.

Thus dH(max) = 9.2kJ. This is how much energy it can absorb when reacted. 1 mole of the reaction mixture is 136g, which will absorb the 9.2kJ energy mentioned. Thus 1kg will absorb 67kJ of energy.

1 Watt = 1 Joule per second. Thus a CPU putting out 80 Watts of heat will put out 80J of energy every second.

Simple maths shows that it will put out 80kJ of energy in 16mins 40seconds approx. Which is more than a whole 1kg of this reaction mixture can absorb.

Basically it *might* just work but not for very long.

[Pyros]

See now this is what I was talking about. I posted over there telling him to expect disbelief and questioning when he shows no hard facts or numbers.

If he had posted numbers like you just did David then people would have certainly been more accepting and the questioning would have been less harsh.

To give the benifit of the doubt, after reading it again I never really read anything that says he has actually built such a system so maybe his preliminary testing is simply some number crunching on the subject and alot of assumptions.

[Pyros]

http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=47011&page=2&pp=15

I think this thread pretty much sums up this guys mental instability. :eh?: If your read on through the thread you learn he has a friend that works at AMD feeding him classified info. :clap: He then goes totally postal and gets the thread locked.
On a brighter note it looks like he will be voted noob of the week again on that forum. :cool:

[socket7]

Some people are already in hell. They're just too stupid to realise it.

The sad part about that dude is someday he might breed :cry:

[Myhre]

I think it's awesome how so many Ocforum guys rolled accts over there just because of that fool. BTW sorry David. At first I thought that, that post was CPU Master rerolling an account to try and come in and make is argument seem feasable.

[jopapa1267]

wow you guys make me feel dumb in chemistry. i still dont get y ppl lie and make it so obvious. lol. anyway nice post greenman.

[mat1314]

HAHAHAAH The part where he started ranting I found my self laughing pretty hard. Long time since that has happened in front of a computer screen.

[jopapa1267]

lol omg i just the dual fx -55 thread !!!!!!!!!!!this guy cracks me up.

[Pyros]

I think it's awesome how so many Ocforum guys rolled accts over there just because of that fool.

Were kinda like roaches. You get one or two creeping around and before you know it your over run with them. And theres no getting rid of them either. :attn: :sn: :eek:

[man_utd]

For the record, aluminum reacts with mercury, to make alumimum oxide until there is no more alumin, so why don't we just combine these threads together and concentrate the stupidity.

[Pro*Banshee]

Has anyone else noticed that we have a very protected community?

<3 admins

[CandymanCan]

ahah thisi s funny, yea lets just add some Radio Active material to make it even better. 1 month later, " Yea my pc is still running cool from my prelimeraly results but my hair and finger nails have fallen out"

[thorilan]

well if we use radio active ingredients or at least the poster does. AT LEAST he will be sterile and not able to breed .

there should be some world wide law that morons should not be able to propogate

[CandymanCan]

They had something like that in WW2 where the germans tried to breed the perfect human where only smart and strong men/women were allowd to breed. I saw this aparently this was the Nazi way to try and make the "Master race".

[Pro*Banshee]

It's the stupid ones that let the less stupid ones feel smart :-P