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LutaWicasa
09-07-01, 03:00 AM
Hey there AMD'ers. I've recently decided to build myself an AMD rig. Checking our cpu database and other info sources I've decided that for the best percentage oc I should put together a T-Bird 1 gig rig. It appears that with the 1 gig the possibility for a 50% or so oc is best. What I am trying to find out though is which flavor 1 Ghz T-Bird will offer the best possibility for this high oc, the 200 or 266?? In the database I am unable to find this info :)
It's basicaly the same chip. The only diff. is that the 200FSB chips have not reached a certain criteria that the 266FSB chips have. There is a thread here that was posted mentioning a new stepping for the 1.2GHz CPU & it supposedly reached 1.73GHz. Do you really just want to get a high percentage of O/C or is the final clockspeed more important? I've heard of some chips that are suppose to made for overclockers that start of with just 75MHz that you can clock to 750MHz & that will give you an amazing percentage but it'll still be slower than a stock 1GHz.
LutaWicasa
09-07-01, 03:22 AM
I'm looking for the best percentage oc but would like to stick with at least a 1 Ghz baseline. See, I don't care about having the fastest rig out there, I enjoy squeezin' and twistin' their tails till they dance :) I don't like buying pretested chips as the fun is in seeing what I and whatever chip I wind up with can manage to do together. So with a 1 Ghz chip, if I am unlucky enough to get a dog I'll still have a system which is still quite capable of doing what I need it to until I can try again. Just figured I'd do my homework and give myself the best possibility of oc success. The number of 1 giggers acheiving 50%+ oc's seems to be a bit higher than the faster(stock) offerings.
Don't get me wrong about having the fastest system in the whole universe, just wanted to know what was the goal of your project. You can look around to get a listing of diff steppings with the average percentage of gain. I'll stick a pic for you to see how to look at the steppings.
LutaWicasa
09-07-01, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by sonny
Don't get me wrong about having the fastest system in the whole universe, just wanted to know what was the goal of your project. You can look around to get a listing of diff steppings with the average percentage of gain. I'll stick a pic for you to see how to look at the steppings.
Oh,no. I was just kinda giving you an idea of what I was shooting for :) It's just having been an Intel guy these last many years, the AMD set-up will be a bit confusing to me for a little bit. Thanks for the pointer on the steppings, should be more than helpful (if people have included this info in their entries :) ).
Here is a chart thou I find it to be a bit high.
http://www.athlonoc.com/newsteppings.php
Originally posted by Placid
Here is a chart thou I find it to be a bit high.
http://www.athlonoc.com/newsteppings.php
Hmm.......... according to them I can get up to 1300MHz. :eek: mabe I should clockdown.LOL. Just goes to show that chips will never be equal.
Its supposed to be a average.
Placid - Ease up Dude. I was just having a little fun & pointing out that not all chips are created equal:cool:
TranceBear
09-07-01, 01:22 PM
No they aren't, that shows that my chip will do about 1450mhz, well I have proven them wrong.
Sonny, The only difference in the 200 and 266 chips are the FSB they run at. AMD makes the 200 chips to run on older boards. I bought this chip for I can have the higher multipliers. a 1ghz 200mhz FSB chip will run at 10x100 to acheive 1ghz, the same 266 chip will do 7.5x133. There is no better quality in the 266 chips.
TranceBear - I stand corrected! But you sure? I've been readin' too much again & need to find a job with....I mean, I read somewhere that that was the case of 200FSB & 266FSB(quality stuff) and it did make sense. Wooops!:eek: :eek:
LutaWicasa - Listen to this guy(TranceBear). But!!! Read up on things before you try anything.
TranceBear
09-07-01, 01:43 PM
But remember the steppings say what the chip will do, not always the FSB.
Alrighty!!! So you guys think LutaWicasa is still monitoring his thread?
LutaWicasa
09-07-01, 08:48 PM
Oh yeah, I'm here :D
LOL! & here I was thinking that you decided to go with Intel again. So... whats the news on the parts? Did you get a turbo or what?
Check out my thread, AMD CPU's/Sandra 2001 Stuff, it's just a mild O/C compared to the other guys here but this was my first attemt.
LutaWicasa
09-07-01, 09:10 PM
I haven't started gettin' everything together yet, still in the researchy kinda mode. There's some buzz that Iwill is gonna be coming out with an xtremely hot new mobo, I kinda want to see where that goes. What I'm thinkin' is snaggin some of the pc2700 when its out, get this Iwill Xtreme board, and start now looking for an AHYJA chip. It probably wouldn't hurt to get a 350 or 431 watt psu, this old 300 watt has been with me since my PII 300 @ 504 :D
Is there a mobo that can run 166FSB(332) without crapping the peripherals? If you can find one with a 1/5 ratio then it'll be ok I guess.
TranceBear
09-08-01, 05:55 AM
Originally posted by sonny
LOL! & here I was thinking that you decided to go with Intel again. So... whats the news on the parts? Did you get a turbo or what?
Check out my thread, AMD CPU's/Sandra 2001 Stuff, it's just a mild O/C compared to the other guys here but this was my first attemt.
Sonny, any O/C is worth hootin about!!! Props to you for getting that 1.1 up there!!
LutaWicasa
09-08-01, 06:30 AM
Originally posted by sonny
Is there a mobo that can run 166FSB(332) without crapping the peripherals? If you can find one with a 1/5 ratio then it'll be ok I guess.
The mobo I'm waiting for word on will have 1/5 as well as 1/6 dividers :D
TranceBear
09-08-01, 06:44 AM
No 1/6 as of yet, but there is a 1/5th divider out there. Check the AMD M/B section and use "1/5: as you search parameter. remember that ALL M/B's will eventualy have this as an option in an updated BIOS soon.
TranceBear - What does "Props" mean? 1/5 Dividers coming soon huh, that'll be reall boost to all O/Cs! Makes me think of another BIOS flash that I need to have done at the shop. That's one thing that I have NO confidence of doing:o .
They should have a "user define" feature for that setting in the BIOS for a more flexible MoBo.
LutaWicasa - Which MoBo is that?
LutaWicasa
09-09-01, 11:42 AM
Its going to be released by Iwill. There's been no new news on this at the mo, but you can check out what I'm talking about at Amdmb.com in the Iwill forum. The thread is...What would you pay?? Seems Iwill was interested in what oc'ers wanted out of a board, took suggestions from peeps and should be releasing a new mobo late this month or early next. Unofficial name to be Iwill Xtreme. Xtremely long thread, but check it out :D
UnseenMenace
09-09-01, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by sonny
Is there a mobo that can run 166FSB(332) without crapping the peripherals? If you can find one with a 1/5 ratio then it'll be ok I guess.
Wild Andy C has his EPoX 8KHA running with a FSB of 161 mhz which is about the fastest I am aware of, however to obtain this he required high quality ram (can't remember what make)
UnseenMenace - Doesn't he have any probs with that high of a FSB?
Originally posted by TranceBear
remember that ALL M/B's will eventualy have this as an option in an updated BIOS soon.
Care to share a link to this information?
TranceBear
09-09-01, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by Placid
Care to share a link to this information?
In my many hours of surfing the net I find articles that I read and this has been mentioned several times. I did not save any of the links but I will do some searching. I will add to my original post to say that until I get some links to take this info as as an opnion for now.
Yes pls. share the links once you find them & if there is way to apply it with the current BIOS(long shot & possible death:eek: ).
LutaWicasa
09-22-01, 06:07 PM
Here's a little more info on the Iwill board I spoke of, its now named the XP333
ALi MAGiK 1 b0
1/5th 1/6th PCI dividers and 2/5th and 1/4rd AGP
Vcore up to 1.9V and I hope 2.2V
Vmem, VIO, etc...
FSB's to 233Mhz in 1Mhz increments
5.1 channel sound
ATA-133 RAID
This should be bench tested within the next couple of weeks. I hope ALi has worked out some of the probs with this chipset, I'll wait and see :)
!-=sky=-!
09-22-01, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by UnseenMenace
Wild Andy C has his EPoX 8KHA running with a FSB of 161 mhz which is about the fastest I am aware of, however to obtain this he required high quality ram (can't remember what make)
what stuff does he have in his rig?
i want to know....as i want to TRY running high fsbs too
and i have the 8kha too as you can see in my rig
if you want too chosse the 266 bus you must chosse the
AXIA or AYHJA
if you want too look the 200
go Look for AXIAR
or you can see www.athlonoc.com
go too the thunderbird stepping
it will help you much
!-=sky=-!
09-23-01, 11:04 AM
the 200 chips are now overpriced as they are RARE....
the 266 chips are a lot cheaper as lots of them are being made
the 200 and 266 chips are the same
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