Another Vcore, Vdd, Vddq modded X800, air cooled!!

[veryhumid]

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Index

1. Intro (http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=3223766&postcount=1)
2. Information (http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=3223786&postcount=2)
3. Benchmarks (http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=3223798&postcount=3)
4. Pictures (http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=3223803&postcount=4)
5. Temperatures (http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=3223913&postcount=11)

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Intro

I wanted to start a post for the card I recently installed from super-terrific forum member ViperJohn. He mods radeon card and even some nvidia (see his page (http://imageevent.com/marginjohn/viperjohn) for contact info and pictures). I first spoke with him on October 28th, and now on November 15th, I have the card in my computer folding away and playing games like a maniac! At first I obviously wanted a xt-pe after my old pro died, and was refunded by newegg. And the built by ati models seems to always be the better overclockers. However as you probably know, there aren't m(any) to be had. And then I try to get a built by ati pro instead. same story. But couls you imagine? Good 'ol Viper had one already made, with around 20 hours on it! So I said, "yes please, what is your paypal account?" And Here I am, back in business after almost a month of downtime. Anyway enogh yacking. I am going to be posting benchmarks, pictures and the many things I have learned in the last month. Thank you ViperJohn!

[veryhumid]

Information

The card is flashed to an xt-pe BIOS running at 628/601, and with 12 pipelines. The max clocks he determined the card could run at is 660/615.

info sent with card:



Card Owner:
Henry ?????????

Test Date:
11/06/2004

Test Computer:
DFI LP UT NF3 250GB with 9/14/04 Beta Bios
AMD XP3200 DTR CG Core running 300Htt x 10 = 2700Mhz CPU
1 x 512 Geil PC3200 UltraX running 300Mhz Memory
WinXP Operating System w/ DirectX 9.0c

Card Model:
BbATI x800Pro 12 Pipe Non Vivo
PWA P/N 109-A26100-01
Stock Bios P/N 113-A26101-103 dated 04/08/04
Samsung K4J55323QF-GC20 Memory Chips

Voltages in DFI MB w/ Enermax EG465P-VE PS

Vcore = 1.632 - At Windows Desktop
Vdd = 2.150
Vddq = 2.200

ViperJohn Modified Card Final Test Results

660/615 Max Clean Clocks
Catalyst 4.10 ( 8.07 HotFix ) Drivers
1024x768x32 Resolution with Qualities at Driver Max unless noted.
AA and Aniso per Benchmark Defaults

Tech Notes

(1) Bios changed to BbATI XT-PE bios P/N P/N 113-A26105-102 dated 06/09/04.
(2) Bios clocks changed to 628/601.
(3) Turbo Magum-II GPU cooler used with fan running aproximately 80% of max speed.
(4) Core would complete 3DM01se Nature torture at 660Mhz. Core would lockup somewhere in the torture loop a 663Mhz or higher. Core did not artifacts ahead of lockup.
(5) Max clean memory OC was capped by 3DM03 Trolls Lair at 615Mhz. Memory will run faster in all other tests clean as well as in most games.

[veryhumid]

Benchmarks

Mine (8.07 Beta Omega Drivers):
note: because these drivers are not FM approved, the result was not posted. So I will post the "Compare URL." Let me know if you have another idea.

3DMark03: 13234 3DMarks (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3352469) (628/601, 200 FSB)

http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=3243194&postcount=54 (660/615)

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ViperJohn's (4.10 Catalyst):

3DMark 2001 SE: 30968 3DMarks (660/618)

3DMark 2003: 13519 3DMarks (660/615)

3DMark 2005: 6249 3DMarks (660/618)

GL Excess Version 1.2V: 21415 XSMarks (660/618)

Aquamark Professional: GFX - 12069, CPU - 12476 | 81,356 (The last number. I am not sure what to call it because I have not used the benchmark.) (660/621)

The computer used for John's own tests is described in "Information" (http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=3223786&postcount=2). The reason I did not include the whole file is because it is too large to attach ;)

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Doom3 (8.07 Beta Omegas):

http://server2.uploadit.org/files/veryhumid-10240aa8af.JPG

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/veryhumid-10242aa8af.JPG

http://server2.uploadit.org/files/veryhumid-10244aa8af.JPG

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/veryhumid-10246aa8af.JPG

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/veryhumid-12802aa8af.JPG

[veryhumid]

Pictures

My camera (click image to enlarge. resolutions are 800 x 600):

installed with side of case removed:

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/veryhumid-sideremoved1.JPG

installed with side of case removed, slight zoom:

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/veryhumid-sideremoved2.JPG

front of case showing rheostat and lcd read-out:

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/veryhumid-front1.JPG

laser cut side! fold for 32!

http://server2.uploadit.org/files/veryhumid-laserside1.JPG

And the only high res pic that escaped total crappiness! Too bad it wasn't on the side with the pretty gpu cooler.

http://server2.uploadit.org/files/veryhumid-bottomofcard.jpg

[hemidude]

Well, Congratulations. Cant wait to see what it will do. :attn:

[veryhumid]

does anyone know what the "6.14.10.6444" driver version is?

Well, Congratulations. Cant wait to see what it will do. :attn:

yeah I am thrilled with it so far. I will put up some DOOM 3 benches tonight. Scores at 2x/8x went up about 25-30 fps from my old pro at stock speeds with the same cpu. :attn:

Thanks!

[deception``]

Pictures, please!

deception``

[hemidude]

does anyone know what the "6.14.10.6444" driver version is?Thanks!

4.5's

[veryhumid]

4.5's


very interesting! The reason I ask is that I noticed the top-scoring ati x800 pro cards use that driver! I'm shocked those scores have not been toppled by a newer driver.

Pictures, please!

deception``

Just touching up the "benchmarks" a bit. I haven't decided where to host. or whether to resize from the 1600x1200. My sister took some 8 or 10 megapixel shots. I will probably get them tonight or tomorrow.

[hemidude]

Awesome scores. Welcome to the 30K club!!! :clap:

[veryhumid]

Temperatures

Haha, this is a good time to apologize for my lame attempt at being organized. Anyway...

The card has active memory cooling, and a 60mm fan on the core attached to a rheostat. At full juice it reads about 26-27 at idle in a room that is probably 19-20C. After gaming for maybe 30 minutes or running 3D03, it was into the high 30's. Apparently, during his torture loops of 3DMark, it gets into the high 40's.

The temps are read from a diode planted in the heatsink (like inside it, not squished btwn. the hs and the core). Apparently, it is accurate to +/- 0.5C. While the thermoresistor on the card can be as far off at 15C! But I will try ATI tool in a while just for a comparison.

[deception``]

very interesting! The reason I ask is that I noticed the top-scoring ati x800 pro cards use that driver! I'm shocked those scores have not been toppled by a newer driver.



Just touching up the "benchmarks" a bit. I haven't decided where to host. or whether to resize from the 1600x1200. My sister took some 8 or 10 megapixel shots. I will probably get them tonight or tomorrow.

I meant shots of the card itself. I am assuming that Viperjohn added all those crazy fans to the mix. (correct me if I am wrong here).

deception``

[ViperJohn]

very interesting! The reason I ask is that I noticed the top-scoring ati x800 pro cards use that driver! I'm shocked those scores have not been toppled by a newer driver.



Just touching up the "benchmarks" a bit. I haven't decided where to host. or whether to resize from the 1600x1200. My sister took some 8 or 10 megapixel shots. I will probably get them tonight or tomorrow.

Hmmm...The 8.07 hotfix are way faster than the old 4.5's were...at least for me anyway. Using
the 4.12's now to see what they will do.

Viper

[veryhumid]

yeah check out the x800 pros on ORb. the top two extreme systems guys have those drivers. I am suprised they haven't switched to get a better score! Oh, Viper I also apologize for the downpour of questions this might cause ;).

[hemidude]

Hmmm...The 8.07 hotfix are way faster than the old 4.5's were...at least for me anyway. Using
the 4.12's now to see what they will do.

Viper

I just got all my new scores with the 4.12's (see sig) Gonna try some more with the 8.07's

Hey ViperJohn, did you ever get my PM?

[veryhumid]

e-mail is the best way to get in touch. after all, this is not his native forum!

Could people recommend software like riva tuner of ati tool for making overclock profiles? I am leaning to ati tool because it unloads back to the slower clock when you are out of 3D mode (not that the default clock is that low, LOL ;)). And I think Viper is a big fan of Riva Tuner? feel free to post what you like to use and maybe why.

hemidude: I can't recall your old scores, what kind of increases were you getting?

Good night all! I need to relax. I will touch up slpellelineg tomorrow, and add some content.

[hemidude]

e-mail is the best way to get in touch. after all, this is not his native forum!

Could people recommend software like riva tuner of ati tool for making overclock profiles? I am leaning to ati tool because it unloads back to the slower clock when you are out of 3D mode (not that the default clock is that low, LOL ;)). And I think Viper is a big fan of Riva Tuner? feel free to post what you like to use and maybe why.

Radlinker. Just the tab.

[ViperJohn]

yeah check out the x800 pros on ORb. the top two extreme systems guys have those drivers. I am suprised they haven't switched to get a better score! Oh, Viper I also apologize for the downpour of questions this might cause ;).


Actually those are the 4.05 Beta's. I do not think the official 4.5's supported the x800's.

I suppose they could be faster for benchmarks but I am not going to load them to check. They
would be WAY slow in Doom3 and would have problem with many other games as well.

Viper

[veryhumid]

yeah I will steer clear. the reason I run this card is to put off future upgrades, run games very well, and have a ton of fun doing it! Not to get on top of ORB. It's kind of like a hot rod. It's "a big stick" ;)

[ViperJohn]

I just got all my new scores with the 4.12's (see sig) Gonna try some more with the 8.07's

Hey ViperJohn, did you ever get my PM?

Just looked and no PM's from you.

Viper

[ViperJohn]

e-mail is the best way to get in touch. after all, this is not his native forum!

Could people recommend software like riva tuner of ati tool for making overclock profiles? I am leaning to ati tool because it unloads back to the slower clock when you are out of 3D mode (not that the default clock is that low, LOL ;)). And I think Viper is a big fan of Riva Tuner? feel free to post what you like to use and maybe why.

hemidude: I can't recall your old scores, what kind of increases were you getting?

Good night all! I need to relax. I will touch up slpellelineg tomorrow, and add some content.

Yeah I do prefer RivaTuner myself. If you set the single click game profile shortcuts up
right RT will drop the cards clocks to what ever they were before you clicked the shortcut.
That would be the bios set clock unless you had the card clocked when you crated the
profile shortcut.

Viper

[ViperJohn]

Radlinker. Just the tab.

Never cared for RL myself. Different stokes lol.

Viper

[krag]

Welcome to the ViperJohn fan club veryhumid!!! :attn: :clap: :clap:

Aint it nice to have that monster purring underneath the hood??? T-minus 2 hours 18 miuites until H2!!! Then you can rip it up hardcore!!

BTW, I am sending #2 XTPE to the V.P. masta tomorrow!! :burn:

[El<(')>Maxi]

Nice card:D

Hey, I really really want one of those Team 32 side panels. Is this something anyone can get or just for folders? :-/

[veryhumid]

Welcome to the ViperJohn fan club veryhumid!!! :attn: :clap: :clap:

Aint it nice to have that monster purring underneath the hood??? T-minus 2 hours 18 miuites until H2!!! Then you can rip it up hardcore!!

BTW, I am sending #2 XTPE to the V.P. masta tomorrow!! :burn:

hahahahahahaha! it's an awesome fan club. I think I will be at work when HL2 is unlocked. but it is all pre-loaded, I can't wait to start! It really feels nice to have the beast going, and it is running very cool and trouble-free so far. And it's doing stock xt-pe performance at least so I am more than happy!

good luck with your next xt-pe! Also I should thank you, too. When your post first came out, my jaw dropped and my tongue rolled out like fruit by the foot. And just a month ago my old video card died. fate? ;) I named my thread after yours, too :clap:

[veryhumid]

Nice card:D

Hey, I really really want one of those Team 32 side panels. Is this something anyone can get or just for folders? :-/

Actually this is one of two made by a friend of "Xenocide" (private message him (http://www.ocforums.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=41343)). They are laser cut at the place where he works. He also does a lot of extremely nice paint jobs, I hear. But contact was flakey. I talked to him through Xenocide, and it took forever from when I sent it to when I got it back. A good chunk of the summer, I can't remember how long. Here is his site to see a bit of his work: http://www.lunagenlabs.com/ . He made a really great custom waterbox for Xeno, really beautiful job. And I LOVE my side panel. But unless Xeno says otherwise I would look around to other places offering a service. The guy Xeno knows just does it as a hobby. I recently noticed http://www.mountainmods.com/ now offers a laser cutting service. I would definitely check them out. Mountain Mods or Xeno's friend can do any cutting you want. Doesn't have to be the o/c logo ;) good luck!

Edit: Yayyyyyy, viper has three stars!!! :clap:

[hemidude]

OK enough with the love-fest. How bout puttin up some real numbers! These are for lack of a better term "Muscle Cards" Lets see what a VJ X800 can do! :attn:

[veryhumid]

lololol, lovefest. like some doom 3 benchmarks? What would you like? I just unlocked my HL2 files :drool: but I have to head out to school, and then work. But tonight I will hopefully get the high res pics from my sister, post some D3 marks and then play HL2 like crazy. I loaded it up. I soiled myself at the menu page! it is so cool!!! I'll try to run it at 1280 x 1024 and see how it goes. From what I hear people don't struggle with it nearly as much as with Doom 3 for decent fps.

[hemidude]

I was just kidding. Keep on track just the way you are doing.

[veryhumid]

hehe. it's definitely a muscle card. I really love my system now. It is definitely the coolest part in my system, just ahead of the panel ;). I'll run some Doom3 benches at 1280 x 1024 and 1024 x 768 at at least a couple different aa/af.

Anyone know if there is a HL2 version of the timedemo? Or a HL2 benchmark out there?

[eva2000]

nice only thing cat 4.5 are good for is 3d2k1, for 32k3 etc use 4.8 or try omega 8.07

[Nebulous]

Dayum veryhumid, that's awsome! Congrats on a beautiful card and those monster numbers :beer:

[veryhumid]

nice only thing cat 4.5 are good for is 3d2k1, for 32k3 etc use 4.8 or try omega 8.07

here is the link to the highest x800pro on 3d03. http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2644764 :confused: And he is using the 4.5.

Dayum veryhumid, that's awsome! Congrats on a beautiful card and those monster numbers :beer:

thanks, Neb! Now that is a GPU worth folding on ;)

[veryhumid]

ahhhhhhHAAAAAA! He is using some special drivers. Check out http://www.dna-drivers.nl/

[hemidude]

here is the link to the highest x800pro on 3d03. http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2644764 :confused: And he is using the 4.5.



thanks, Neb! Now that is a GPU worth folding on ;)

I scored higher than that with the 4.12's

And veryhumid great job with the new card.

[veryhumid]

I scored higher than that with the 4.12's

And veryhumid great job with the new card.

yes but the link I gave you is to a pro, that means only 12 pipes, right? Thanks hemidude, but I can't take any credit. ViperJohn did the hard work, I just paid for it ;). I doubt I will ever touch the voltages. My main job is to keep it nice and cool, and keep playing games :D

[eva2000]

here is the link to the highest x800pro on 3d03. http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2644764 :confused: And he is using the 4.5.



thanks, Neb! Now that is a GPU worth folding on ;)
well i used 4.8beta for my Gecube X800Pro 12pipe for 14,332 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2927781 :)

[veryhumid]

holy shazbot! i don't get it! :confused:. Amazing score! and nice EE overclock :thup: That is probably the fastest Gecube in the world ;)

[eva2000]

IIRC, 4.8 gave 900+ pts more in 3d2k3 than 4.5 ;)

[Nebulous]

Dagnabit! All this benchin fun and my main is gotta be outta action :cry:
*prays to the FedEx G0Ds for a faster delivery* ;)

[FyreDaug]

Just curious but The card is flashed to an xt-pe BIOS running at 628/601, and with 12 pipelines. The max clocks he determined the card could run at is 660/615.

Why 12 pipes? I have 16 enabled, is it because you have a laser cut non vivo?

[veryhumid]

that is a darn good question! I don't think Viper ever told me. I know he used a xt-pe bios because it gave him a better memory clock. I can't remember him telling me why he didn't unlock the extra pipes. I'll blast him an e-mail. Neb has proved even if it is laser cut, you can still make it work, correct?

[veryhumid]

added the doom3 marks. they were taken with "high quality" and used high quality AF in the omega drivers. They are huuuuggge improvements over my old scores (http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=3158623&postcount=1) , and right up there with the xt-pe cards.

[veryhumid]

Just curious but

Why 12 pipes? I have 16 enabled, is it because you have a laser cut non vivo?

a darn good question and Viper has the perfect answer:

With the exception of a very few first production run cards the 12 pipe "AA" core used on x800 Pro non VIVO can not be changed to 16 pipes through hardware mods and firmware changes alone. It will take modded driver as well to get around ATI's ASIC code lock.

ATI learned their lesson with the 9500 NP's that could be turned into 9700's really did the lock right this time around. A few of the first prod run x800Pro NV's got unlocked "AA" cores ( the trace was still cut though ) that were intended for engineering purposes and those could be changed to 16 pipe. They were very few, very far between and ancient history now. Your cards laser cut is bridged and the programming switch SMR's have been moved in the hope that modded drivers will show up. Unwinder (RivaTuner) was working on that as was W1zzard (ATItool) but they have both stopped. ATI put so many layers of protection in the drivers to prevent getting around the lock they both have tabled that project for now.

[ViperJohn]

well i used 4.8beta for my Gecube X800Pro 12pipe for 14,332 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2927781 :)

Nice score but something does not compute. That score is way to high for a 12 pipe card at the
indicated clocks and system speed. Do you have CPU REcover enabled by chance???

Viper

[veryhumid]

I got my pictures from my sister today. Unfortunately none of them came out well. Once I learn how to take a good close-up I will be sure to post.

[veryhumid]

salvaged one pic for the pictures section! It's the side of the card with the mods and the memory sinks on it. the shots with the beefy cooler didn't come out. However I think my sis will be back in town soon and I'll borrow her beefy camera for another go. BTW, HL 2... is awesome :attn:

[El<(')>Maxi]

Yeah close up pics:D

Especially the gpu mod location. Do I see two resistors in the OCP area now VJ?

[veryhumid]

yeah i'll see her/get to use the camera around turkey day. did krag ever take close up pics?

[El<(')>Maxi]

I don't think so, I got it anyway after looking around a bit. Gettin ready to bench a little tonight.

[krag]

yeah i'll see her/get to use the camera around turkey day. did krag ever take close up pics?

I ws asked not to take pics of the "buisness end" of the gpu & mem mods by V.P. He didn't want one of the forum members to fry thier $400 + vid card unecessarily.

[El<(')>Maxi]

Too late, already did:D

Maybe that pic would have saved it;) I soldered up to the wrong side of 1597, my fault, I am just too impatient sometimes. Anyways the new card is very fast and the GPU mod is working fine, my credit card is not working so fine however:D

Seriously Krag I'm just kiddin ya, I understand the reasoning. His mod's are unique and based on alot of knowledge of these card's. It is only natural to want to copy something so good. Plus I never got you those pic's of my 9800 mod's:D

[veryhumid]

huh, he didn't mention that to me, But that sounds like him. I'll have to check with him before I take pics. I mean the pics I have paint the picture. If people want to learn how to do it or get tips, that is up to VJ.

[veryhumid]

woohoo! used riva to bump clocks to 660/615!