WaterCooling Final Help Stop

[train22]

Ok.. I can't stand it anymore, it's jsut too damn loud and nothing helped, I am moving to watercooling Street up north.

I want to get the best watercooling I can get without burning my wallet so I kinda need an all around guide to tell me what I'm looking for when buying and what kind is best. If any1 could direct me to this direction I'd be very greatfull.

(Particularly Radiator and Pump) I don't want to spend 200 bucks for the DangerDen that's crazy. If I could find a guide that explains watercooling to teh core details I would be able to do my own thinking, does anyone know of this sort of guide, I'm looking for the MOST detailed guide you can find...

Thanx..

[VashTheStampede]

Originally posted by train22
Ok.. I can't stand it anymore, it's jsut too damn loud and nothing helped, I am moving to watercooling Street up north.

I want to get the best watercooling I can get without burning my wallet so I kinda need an all around guide to tell me what I'm looking for when buying and what kind is best. If any1 could direct me to this direction I'd be very greatfull.

(Particularly Radiator and Pump) I don't want to spend 200 bucks for the DangerDen that's crazy. If I could find a guide that explains watercooling to teh core details I would be able to do my own thinking, does anyone know of this sort of guide, I'm looking for the MOST detailed guide you can find...

Thanx..

I hate URL hunting, I perfer to address questions with a typed word instead of URL.

As for radiator, go with a heater core, they have been tested and most times prove better than the custom designed ones you see on the Internet. To get a heater core you can go two places:

1) Auto junkyard, go looking through truck's and van's radiators

2) An auto shop or car repair place. Ask them to save you a non-leaking heater core, usually they would give it to you for free, but if you don't know the people, make it worth their while, say you will give them like $5 or $10 for it. If they don't or won't save you one, you can buy a brand new one, the one I got is brand new, got it for free though, Go/Dan Industries heater core, originally priced at $25. It measures 6x11x2.

For pumps, here are a few places you can hit up online for good priced pumps:

http://www.aquadirect.com/pumps/pumps.html (Gen-X, Gorman Rupp, Little Giant, Rio, Danner Supreme, Iwaki, and Otto pumps, good prices)

http://www.marineandreef.com/shoppro/rio-pumps-top.html (Rio only, great prices)

http://www.petwarehouse.com/webstore/webstore.nsf/(categorylu)/Fish|Pumps+and+Powerheads|Water+Pumps?OpenDocument (Little Giant, Ehiem, Hydrothruster, Iwaki, Danner Supreme, Rio, CSL, and Rainbow Plastics kind of high priced)

http://www.worldwidepetsupply.com/worldwidepet/rio.html (Rio only, good prices.)

http://www.fountainology.com/outdoor/rio_pump_table.htm (Table of Rio's specs)

http://store.yahoo.com/garden-depot/statfounpum.html (Danner Supreme only, good prices)

http://www.greenair.com/magdrive.htm (Comprehensive table of Mag Drive specs)

http://www.rcsteele.com/fish/shoppi...t%5F36925.shtml (Danner Supreme only, good prices)

As for waterblocks, DangerDen is still considered the best and most effective at it's price. Waterblock is the only thing you cannot skimp on.

~RT~

[train22]

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That really helps, 1 more thing... what should I look for in a radiator in the jankyard? Size? How do I know which is best shape or work?

[VashTheStampede]

I've only seen two shapes, square and rectangular, it's really up to you what size you need.

http://www.overclockers.com/tips250/jef3.jpg

Looks exactly like mine, except my pipes are a little different looking and have a more rustic color.

Look for copper heater cores, it can have aluminum fins, like shown in the pic, but remember copper conducts heat better than aluminum.

~RT~

[train22]

thanx, I will look for that, and as for the rest? you recomend buying? Can't find anything else? I know I should buy the pump but this will still cost me over 100 bucks for sure total, someone told me that I can get a watercooling rig for 50 bucks, an excelent one, so what do I have to do to get near that price??

[VashTheStampede]

$50 eh? Sounds like Aquastealth if you ask me, I've never owned that kit, but it just looks horribly put together.

Waterblock: DangerDen.com MAZE2-2 $55

Barbs: brass/copper (whatever metal they are made from), anything but nylon barbs, I just don't trust them. .60 per

Hoses: Cheap - Vinyl $6 for 10 feet I think
Good - Silicone

Pumps: Danner Supreme Mag Drive $20-$30

Resevoir: Anything that will hold water and your pump Free-$6

About it..

~RT~

[train22]

what is a Resevoir and a peltier, I think I am mixing the two up in my mind.

[VashTheStampede]

A resevoir is anything that is capable of holding water and your pump, like an electrical underground box, picnic cooler, tupperware, a cup, an aquarium, anything.

A peltier, also known as TEC, in short is like an electric heat sink, and is generally considered extreme cooling, due to the below freezing temps achieved by using one.

The installation and use of them is relatively simple, but you must insulate your motherboard against condensation.

~RT~

[train22]

if a peltier is capable of electronicly "freezing" the core, why can't I simply use it alone?

[Crappy]

Originally posted by train22
if a peltier is capable of electronicly "freezing" the core, why can't I simply use it alone?

One side will get very cold and the other side very hot. You need to remove the heat from the hot side. If you don't the hot side will over power the cold side and you will burn up the TEC and your CPU.

[train22]

Originally posted by Crappy


One side will get very cold and the other side very hot. You need to remove the heat from the hot side. If you don't the hot side will over power the cold side and you will burn up the TEC and your CPU.

lol, that sounds wierd, what is the point of it? if it balances out what the hell is the point? :D :D :p :D :p :p

[VashTheStampede]

But the point is, it balances out at a temp that would fry your CPU quicker than it running without a heatsink. Sort of like why a heatsink needs a fan nowadays. Heat always has to go somewhere, in this case it's the top of the peltier, which needs to be extracted by a waterblock.

~RT~

[ve6jhc]

I built my entire water cooled system for less than $50...$5 Used Heater core out of Honda Civic, $5 Home made water block, 70 gallon pump $15 at surplus store, $10 for 4" pipe fittings for res, $15 for hoses and barb fittings. Cools my 1000 Tbird (not OC) to 28 C with dual Peliers I get into the negative numbers. The biggest scam with water cooling is the rads.....Get a used heater core.....They last for years in automotive use, have lots of cooling capacity and the air blowing off mine is not even warm.

[train22]

why dual peltiers? How would that be setup? on top of each other? How much does that help? and if so, why can't you use 10-20 peltiers.

[ve6jhc]

The dual peltiers mount side by side on a cold plate. I didn't really see any difference with the dual setup vers the single setup. I was using some peltiers that I got that are labeled snowball. They are about 1.25 inches square and I ran them at 9 volts.