RIAA, MPAA, now mom and dad?

[Sjaak]

http://www.overclockers.com/articles1144/


I don't have much to add to the article, because i know little about the matter. Reading that 7500 P2P'ers have already been caught and sued, and that there is nothing like a support fund for them (true, true, there doesnt have to be, its no obligation for no one) shocks me. Imagine myself in that position...i'd be fairly screwed. Not even taking in consideration that if i got sued by a company like that, my career as a military pilot is ****ed.

Now it has always been 'usa, usa, usa'. I live in europe, The Netherlands to be precise. Any news on P2Pers being caught and sued here? I havent heard of any, but it shouldn't be far off...does anyone else know something about it?

[DayUSeX]

doh, nothing to add really, just the obvious, it really sucks. I wonder when the RIAA and MPAA will get a clue, and use that money to better help the artists and us the consumer.

[9mmCensor]

doh, nothing to add really, just the obvious, it really sucks. I wonder when the RIAA and MPAA will get a clue, and use that money to better help the artists and us the consumer.
when artists cut the RIAA and the MPAA out of the deal.

[Mr.Guvernment]

^^ exactly - but they wont do that as too many artists as too dam lazy to get off their arses and do their own marketing and touring - they all want it done for them and to drive around in limo's and hummers with their bling bling and crappy made videos that all look the same as the last person 5 mins ago!

[Vorian]

why dosen't the riaa and mpaa go after real criminals? i mean come on we have rapists getting half year sentences after paroll and such. why is pirating music/movies such a high priority... well because big business is behind it, least thats what i think. if big buisiness was losing money because of something else, that to would become illegal.

also that program the mpaa is comming out with is almost laughable. i bet all it does is find *.mp3 and gives the "option" to delete these "illegal" mp3's. i think the moms and dads should keep a closer eye on the junior/junioress to begin with, unless ofcourse they have their own computer/room.

just my 2 cents

[Sjaak]

why dosen't the riaa and mpaa go after real criminals?



There's another instance ought to do that...government i believe (no offence)

Thats the sad thing about our kind of society.If there isnt big money to be made it has no priority. :temper: :mad:

[Vorian]

hehe sry for bad wording :) shoulda said they shoulden't waste their time/money with 12-25+ year olds downloading music/movies

[johan851]

hehe sry for bad wording shoulda said they shoulden't waste their time/money with 12-25+ year olds downloading music/movies
But the 12-25+ year olds are the ones causing them to lose money to begin with. They're spending money to regain lost money, or so the theory goes. But yeah, they probably end up lower than where they started.

[Vio1]

Who is losing money? Music and movie industries are making record profit amounts these days... They want to make it seem that they are loosing money, but infact they are the richest bunch of winers around. Im not advocating p2p, but i find it ridiculous that the richest of the rich or sueing the mid to lower economic classes.

[Voodoo Rufus]

The MPAA has full page ads saying "We're coming for you" on the back of the school newspaper at my school, and an article was written today on it as well (well, the news has been out for a week already, but whatever). They're doing these massive ad campaigns everywhere. Sounds like a massive combo of their new software, and scare tactics.

Probably go hunting after the massive down/uploaders since that's where most of the damages would be if I had to guess.

[johan851]

or so the theory goes
Yeah, I know they're making record amounts. Their claim that these P2Pers would otherwise be purchasing various forms of media is what they use to justify all of this lawsuit goodness.

[veryhumid]

the netherlands rock! yay for trance! the mpaa and riaa are american companies for american labels. They don't deal outside the US, but I am sure you have your variation of those companies that montior your country.

no way should there be a fund for them! people need to use a ip-blocker for protection!

[hafa]

The best way to burn the RIAA is to support the independent labels. I don't do p2p, but on the other hand, I have not purchased a mainstream album for over 20 years. I will, however, continue to support the thousands of equally talented independant artists out there for the forseeable future.

[DarkVirusVx]

Who is losing money? Music and movie industries are making record profit amounts these days... They want to make it seem that they are loosing money, but infact they are the richest bunch of winers around. Im not advocating p2p, but i find it ridiculous that the richest of the rich or sueing the mid to lower economic classes.

What happened to the good old days where the lower classes would sue the rich to get rich...

But the whole we lossing money is crap. I only buy CD after i have heard most of the songs. Before I started p2p I buy one or two cds a year, now its two to three a month.

Cd are over priced still. Most cd have one good song if that. No where worth $18 USD.

Courts don't leason to "joe sixpack" becouse be doest show up in a $20,000 suit and tie.

I uses P2P yes and if I go to court I will fight it tooth and nail. If I go to jail when I get out I'll start all over. Of coures I reather not get sued fined or serve jail time but what they are doing isnt right.

I'm not rich maybe middle class but after bills I am luck if i have $40 a week for entertanment. Who in there right mind would blow $20 when they know nothing about the cd besides the one singal they heard on the radio.

And its not just the USA.
New york Times
["International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) said Tuesday that action had been taken in Germany, Denmark, Italy and Canada [against 247 people for illegally swapping music online]." Update via cnews: "File swappers in Canada can rest easy for the moment after a Federal Court ruling Wednesday said uploading music files into shared folders on peer-to-peer networks like Kazaa is legal. Justice Konrad von Finckenstein's decision throws a wrench into plans by the music industry to sue people who share songs over the Internet. Unlike similar cases in the United States, he said the Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA) didn't prove there was copyright infringement by 29 so-called music uploaders." Back in December, it was reported that Canada deemed P2P downloading legal, although uploading files was not.

[TheGreySpectre]

some of the mpaa's adds are rather oddly placed. it always makes me mad when i go to the movie theatre and there is an add saying dont pirate movies, obviously, i am paying for the movie and not pirating it if i am sitting in the theatre watching theyre add.

Also I know numerous people who buy MORE cds now that they download the music because they dont want to steal they just want to know if the cd is worth buy (ie more than 1 good song)

P2p is also good because you can find out about new artists. I was searching for Lord of the Rings audio files (specificly trying to find a clip of Tolkien reading the one ring poem, and i did find that) and in my mad downloading spree I got 2 songs by blind Guardian. At first i was like WTF is this this isnt LOTR, and then i went wow this is awesome and it is LOTR, and i downloaded 1 or 2 more songs to make sure it wasnt a fluke, then promptly when out and bout a couple of theire albums and now really like the entire genre, including nightwish iced earth etc and have bought maybe 12 cds due to downloading those couple songs.

But now that i think about it me buying albums after downloading music didnt help the RIAA in anyway becuase the bands are based in europe

buy music from independant artists, and non american published artsists, there is much better music out there than what the riaa and radio would have you believe

[aftermath]

Probably go hunting after the massive down/uploaders since that's where most of the damages would be if I had to guess.

grate i look forword to it. im a mass linux uploader


people need to use a ip-blocker for protection!

i do and some of the ips that apear is quite disturbing.

some pages online i cant get with it off or on since the pages are some times blocked fro my ip by the site.


Sorry ClaraNet TEST Range AP2P
You are not allowed to view this page
If you think that we are in wrong blocking you, contact us:(email removed)

seam funny and i guess it is. i can get these pages through Anonymous Surfing such as here http://www.all-nettools.com/toolbox,privacy
or by vpn through uni.

edit: spelt this wrong --> anoymus serfing lol

[DarkVirusVx]

But now that i think about it me buying albums after downloading music didnt help the RIAA in anyway becuase the bands are based in europe

And thats just the thing buying cd only really helps the Riaa and the label. Most artist see less then 10% of there record sells and after thay get it there agent, lawers and managers get there share its so minimal. Atist make money from tours and they get bonuses when they hit gold. So the RIAA saying they are "For that artist" ask them there the $158 Million from the MP3.com Law suit went. To the lables.

Sell from 1999 music sales were up 11%
2000 music sales are up 8% over 1999
2001 up 3% over 2000
3 year a 22% growth and there saying that by me downloading music they will go broke.

In 2001 they perdicted that in 2006 there be a 43 percent annual growth rate for online sells alone. Going from $1 billion to $6.2 billion with online sells.

In 2001 single-paid downloads(paid p2p) made $25 million while subscriptions make $3 million.

It prodicted that in 2006 subscriptions will grow to $1.2 billion and single-paid downloads will be $700 million.

Only companies can join the RIAA.RIAA website guidelines for membership
Whice means that they do nothing for the independent musician. So if I download Joe smoes song even tho its wrong in the eyes of the RIAA they would help him.

[>HyperlogiK<]

Was mailed this, dunno if true but wouldn't be surprised. I went to a lecture by some people from FACT amongst others (The Federation Against Copyright Theft - like a UK version of RIAA & The MPAA). I don't normally P2P but recently I had snapped one of my Battefield 1942 discs and downloaded an image for it from bit torrent (I have done this a few times in the past for music or games that I legally own and will continue to do it if I need to - bugger EA if I'm gonna pay them twice for the same game). I asked one of the women afterwards what their position was on this issue, and was told that it was breaking the [UK] law, and that by downloading anything you would be encouraging others to do the same. I asked about this and she wasn't very clear about why (I got the same feeling as when some people from Microsoft came - that they wern't very smart and had been programmed with the 'company line').

Anyway here goes...

Resident of Windsor, Calif. Mr Alex Stoner has today enlisted the help of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an online civil liberties group. The Recording Industry Association of America (RIIA.) has filed a legal action against Stoner for attempting to download copyrighted material through file-swapping networks such as Bit Torrent and Kazaa. Mr Stoner has argued that the only files that he attempted to download were replacements for damaged vinyl and CD recordings that he already owned.

[TimBlake84]

Personally, I have partaken in P2P in the past. It was when I became a photographer that I was able to put it in perspective (how would I feel if someone used my work without asking) and I stopped. However, I think that getting the parents involved (especially my mother) is ridiculous. I think if they want to do anything about it, and are so confidant that they can, the RIAA and MPAA should be suing more then just 5,000 people. Now, I am 20, living at home and attending college in Boston, and I don't have to worry about my parents getting access to my PC and deleting stuff, but I cannot imagine being 17 and finding that my mother had deleted all my music.

[>HyperlogiK<]

also, in addition to buying independent music and films (no not all independent films are about a french man standing on a beach with a sack of coal and last 3 hours) try supporting independent software developers (sorry if i'm preaching 2 the converted) try looking up some great games like Uplink (cartoony & innacurate but good fun), Street Hacker (much more accurate and equally good), They Came From Hollywood (mad looking strategy game) I am a fan of open source, but I dont think that it will, or should replace commercial software, just like I support free healthcare (come to Canada or the UK and find out all about it) but I'm not a communist.

www.theycamefromhollywood.com
www.streethacker.com
www.introversion.co.uk

[cV]

Sad.

That's all I can say.

Sad.

PS I'm not referring to the previous post

[geek2005]

Honestly...and don't ban me mods for saying this...but I'm surprised pirating isn't such a big deal! Only 7500 lawsuits for the countless millions of people breaking the law?

We tend to forget just how illegal this is. It's become so mainstream that people openly admit and laugh about it. Most people wouldn't go to a store and shoplift a CD...yet why is that any worst? A physical CD only costs pennies so it's not like that non-digital copy of a CD is worth much more.

[Sjaak]

Holy thread resurrection