My Cak-38 isnt doing so well :(

[snyper1982]

ok im a little new to this stuff so bear with me.
i built my system from scratch witout a hitch till now. I am using an Asus a7v winth 192 megs of ram. when i bought the parts i didnt plan on overclocking right away so i just bought a cheap antec orb cooler, it wirked fine but i want to overclock so i went all out and bought rounded ata cabbles and floppy cabble, arctic silver 2, a little blue anodized shim, and what i thought was going to be my pride and joy, my globalwin cak-38. well i put all that stuff in and there isnt even a drop in my temperature. its actually 2oC higher that with that little crappy orb!!!! i mean i read a lot of posts about how the cak isnt all that great but it should be running coolerthan 48oC! thats at idle all i have been doing before is surfing the web so my computer shouldnt be under to much of a load. I have no idea whats going on here, any help would be very much apreciated. oh yeah im using asusProbe as my monitor. i also downloaded Motherboard monitor and it shows my temps 10 degrees higher than asus probe. please help.

[Thelemac]

Try it without the shim. You might not be making good contact with the core with that in there.

[snyper1982]

ok ill try that. im a little afraid to take that bad boy off since it was so hard to get on. im also a little afraid of cracking the core. but i guess i can give it a shot. thanks.

[snyper1982]

oh yeah i almost forgot. i am runing a duron 750 not overclocked.

[The Overclocker]

and welcome to the forum, have yo applyed the artic sliver proberly?

[snyper1982]

as far as i know i did i smoothed a thin layer on the HS and another thin layer on the processor. I did pretty much everything that it says to do at the arctic silver web site. The only thing i did not do is clean the heatsing and processor with alchol. i just wiped it off with a towel. it still should make that much of a difference should it?

[snyper1982]

ok i took off the shim and it is still at 47oC. Man i dont know what to do. this sucks.

[The Overclocker]

is the fan on it plugged into the mobo? because it shouldn't be

[snyper1982]

no its not. its plugged into the molex.

[killem1x1]

When I first came to these forums I had a similar thing happen to me with my waterblock. I re-seated it like 3 times before I did get it on correctly, and I was using to much AS2. I didn't think I was, but when I wen't back and checked everything that "last" time, my temps dropped. Also, what is the ambient room temp? That can be a major factor, even if it has only changed a few degrees.

[snyper1982]

i have no idea what my ambient room temps are. but its not even cooling as well as the orb. so what do you sugest i do? clean of the heatsink and die? Then how much do i apply. this really sucks man.

[snyper1982]

come one man someone out there can help me out(i hope). i guess i will try to reseat it again :(. if that dosent work then i guess im screwed.

[lennytiger]

Your CAK38 should be cooling well check some things:

Is the HSF on the right way round?
Are all the case cooling fans plugged in and rotating?
are the molex connectors working properly and supplying good currect to the fan?
Is the not being obstruced in any way?
You may want to what the heatsink off with a bit of alcohol or some acetone.

[snyper1982]

well i did have it on backwards the first time i put it on. but when i seated it the second time i seated it right. i was all stoked, thinking that that was my problem only to find that it was still running extremely hot. i even removed the shim and it is still runing hot. i know iam getting good power to the fan cause i can hear that little thing in there now. the only thing i can think of is that i put to much arctic silver on it, but i dont know how to apply it really. do i just put a thin coat on the heasink and thats it or do i apply it to the die too?

[lennytiger]

You must apply a dab on the top of the die and smooth it out with your credit card or something. do not use your finger that puts skin oils on the die and doesn't help cooling at all.

[snyper1982]

do i put just a thin film on the heatsink? or none at all?

[lennytiger]

i would worry about putting any on the heatsink just the die on the chip that matters the most

[snyper1982]

ok thanks.

[lennytiger]

no problem and welcome to the forums.........

[lennytiger]

also check what your BIOS reports the CPU idle temparature to be just switch the pc on in the morning boot into the bios and come back toit in a few hours time. See what the temp is after those few hours this is probably the best temp readout you will get.;)

Good Luck

[snyper1982]

ok, i took off the heatsink cleaned it off with alchohol, cleaned the cpu with alchohol, then put a thin layer of AS2 on the die, used a plastic bag to wipe a thin layer on the bottom of the heatsink(so i didnt get any oil on it, i even sanded the bottom of the heatsink with some fine sandpaper to get all the old thermal compund out. I put it all back together, and I am STILL getting the same temps! i am idle at 49! this is really starting to suck. i dont know what to do. Is it my case cooling? ive got one 80mm fan in the front for intake and the only exhaust i have is my PS fan. is that what the problem is? Cuase when i was reading reviews on this HSF one guy said it was idle at like 37 with no case cooling. but i dont know. well thanks.

[mEKbOY]

OK.. I will step in and say that you sound like you are a victim of False Temps... what are you using to monitor your temps.. If its any kind of software program then its probaly bunk.. Get a temp probe and stick it so that the tip touches the side of the core.. The $15 it cost to buy it can save you a lot of time, money, and frustation from trying to firgure why your temps are off.

[snyper1982]

yeah im using asus probe. where can i get a temp probe?

[mEKbOY]

Well.. goto www.crazypc.com
they have a perfect 7.0 rating at www.resellerratings.com and i have ordered from them befor and was satified. Heres a direct link to the product: Temp Probe (http://www.crazypc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=120199&Product_Code=5230)

Buy it and get correct results.. it could save you a lot down the line.

[lennytiger]

If you open the computer up after a long period of high cpu activity do you feel the hot air inside the computer???


If you do the case cooling is not properly done, you may need more fans at the top to take hot air away from the CPU.

[Sonny]

Before you guys go out & buy more stuff just try the basics. "SUPER THIN" layer of ASII on the die & then put some on the HSF then rub it in with a plastic bag on your finger. If the bottom of the HSF still feels sticky with the ASII then it ain't in there yet so keep on rubbing it in,make sure you remove what doesnt get rubbed in. TOO MUCH ASII is just as bad as none(exag). Forget them shims they are just no good. Of course you started with everything immaculately clean right? Now make sure that you attach the HSF on the right way & be EXTREMELY careful, you don't want to crack the die. Also make sure that the fan IS actually spinning at its rated rpm,that could have been it all the time. When it comes to case cooling read the articles on the to get your own perspective on how you want to attack the problem. Look at my temps bellow and usually idle temps don't improve too much if your mobo doesn't give halt commands to the CPU. List your system specs on your sig & let us better understand your pc.

[funnyperson1]

also get motherboard monitor free, the asus utility is known to give temps as much as 10* off!!!!

[snyper1982]

i do have motherboard monitor. it says an even higher temp than asus. i have tried everything you guys have said. i aplied an extremely thin layer of AS2 and used a platic bag to wipe it into my heatsink. i have cleaned the cpu as well as i could(the AS2 dosent want to come off the cpu very well) and i cleaned the the heatsink too. i guess i can try that one more time. so your saying when i aply the AS2 to use as little as possible? well thanks for trying guys.

[snyper1982]

i was just wondering what a cracked die looks like. my cpu still works fine and evrything but two corners look like they are chiped off on it. i dont know how that can be a good thing, so i was just wondering what is wrong with it. thanks.

[snyper1982]

about how much higher is the cpu temp than the motherboard temp supposed to be? cause my cpu temp is at 48 and my motherboard temp is at 41. is that normal or should my motherboard temp be lower than that?

[silent bob]

snyper1982 do you have a mid tower or a full tower ? sounds like you got a mid tower from the temps but you do neede an exhaust fan getting the hot air out , try leaveing the side off of the case and see if that drops temps cuz you said you dont have an exhaust fan other than ps . they say to have 10-15% more going out than coming in give it a try and let us know
Dont get frustrated relax give thr forums a try

[snyper1982]

yeah ive got a mid tower, not enough room or the cash for a full tower. ill try leaving the side of it off. ive been thinking about getting an enlight 7237. Does anyone have any other recomendations for around the same price. i am going to be modding it so appearance is kind of important.

[lennytiger]

Your mobo should be much cooler than that, you should think about improving case cooling, mine is at 28C at the moment with the ambient room temp 22C. This is a much more normal motherboard/case/chasis temp anyhing around the region of thirty is ok but if it is as high as 40 you should consider getting air out of the case.

Take into acount hot air rises, is there a fan on your PSU suck hot air away??? Idealy There Should Be.

Maybe try modding the case with an extra fan at the top.

[snyper1982]

i just bought a new case tonight, i plan on modding the hell out of it. but till i get that i will probably just stick with taking the side off when i run my cpu hard.

[lennytiger]

try ducting the air from outside straight on to the FAN on you heatsink this way it has a constant amount of fresh air getting to the cpu

[snyper1982]

how exactly do i duct it?

[lennytiger]

I normally use cardboard, you basically make a box of card board thesame ldimensions as you Heatsink fan and connect that to the side of the case that has a hole in it to let fresh air in...

In effect what a duct does (in your case) is simple, it only allows the fan to suck fresh air in from outside where the air will be cooler.

there is an article somewhere on the frontapage of o/c.com
click on case cooling its somewhere in there.

[snyper1982]

ok thanks. i remember reading somewhere about how some wraped their heatsink in cardbard till about an inch from the bottom, so the air had to hit the bottom before it escaped.

[-=UR=- Ranger]

Your mobo is way too hot in my oppinion.
What´s you case temp?
My Mobo is only at about 24 degrees and my case is at 22
That makes a chilling 39 degrees for a Slot A Athlon at 2.05!!!
with lapped VOS 32 HS