Old School PC!!!!

[TimBlake84]

Hey everyone... I have an idea. I want to build an old school pc. Not for the joy of having another computer but more for the challenge and knowledge of older components. I have absolutely no background to start this on (I have only been involved with PC modding for about a year and a half). Anyways, I need an older cpu, mobo, vid, card, .... everything. I even want an old school case and keyboard. Would you recommend an Intel i386 or AMD K6? I think deciding on the CPU should come first and I can go from there... thanks

EDIT: Also, if anyone knows where in the New England area I can acquire these components, I would really appreciate it.

[seadave77]

How about an 8086? LOL! I find that older components are easily found at pawn shops, salvation army stores, and older peoples houses.

[deRusett]

definatly the intel, AMD was still getting its legs back in the 80's early 90's the intel equipment would be easier

you should be able to find parts every place, the harder part will be finding the drivers since you wont have an OS with all the drivers like you do now.

I think I have a copy of windows 1.0 someplace you can play with, I'll try and dig it up and host it for ya, its less then 1.44Mb I seem to recall

I would do some searchs and look up compatable parts with specific OS's and Companies, good luck, you will wonder how computer modding ever became popular after this "adventure"

[Super Nade]

I can send you an old Pentium Pro 133 MHz if you pay for shipping. Plenty of those lying around in school. Also you are welcome to choose from old Macs. Plenty of those too!

[Quattro]

Windows 1.0??
Whats that like?

Earliest I remember is 3.1

[secretweapon]

Just becareful when you are setting up the AT power supplies. They requiring a ground connection.

[Xenocide]

windows 1.0 was the first, 3.1 was the first real mainstream

[Quattro]

windows 1.0 was the first, 3.1 was the first real mainstream

Anyone got a pic of Windows 1.0?

[Malpine Walis]

EDIT: Also, if anyone knows where in the New England area I can acquire these components, I would really appreciate it.



Yah, here is your google search dude:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=computer+recycling+new+england&btnG=Search



Anyone got a pic of Windows 1.0?



All you want is a pic? How about Steve Ballmer trying to sell it on late night TV?

Linky McLinkage (http://www.freedomstrumpet.com/Windowsvideo/ballmerwindows.wmv)

[Constantinos]

Well i guess you could start by building a socket 7 system and sticking a K6 or something in there. Than i guess you could slowly work youself back to maybe a 386 and i guess any farther back you would have to solder your CPU and mobo to get em to work and stuff.

[Quattro]

lol. Thats a funny vid.

I found a 486 system in my attic a few months ago, I wish I had kept it now,

[Trios]

I have a 386 downstairs, but that isn't as old school as my grandma's 8086. If you're really going to be running something that old, its all about DOS, don't even try running windows on anything less than a 386. My old Pentium 75 had enough trouble with 3.1...

Trios

[Quattro]

What the hell is a 8086?

[Thelemac]

Not sure why this wasn't in GCRD before...

[Super Nade]

What the hell is a 8086?

An 8086 was before the 8088. We had to program those in my EE undergrad class. Takes 10 pages do basic arithmatic. I hated coding in ASM language.
Coding the 8088 was an absolute nightmare. God knows how I passed the class. :D

But anyway, if any of you guys want old Macs or Pentium Pro's, you are welcome to come over and pick it up!

[DaWiper]

What the hell is a 8086?

An 8086 was before the 8088. We had to program those in my EE undergrad class. Takes 10 pages do basic arithmatic. I hated coding in ASM language.
Coding the 8088 was an absolute nightmare. God knows how I passed the class. :D

But anyway, if any of you guys want old Macs or Pentium Pro's, you are welcome to come over and pick it up!

If I'm not mistaken there was something called the 8008, even older than the 8086. Not sure if I'm mixing up with something else....

after the 8088 came the 80186, then the 80286(or just 286) after that the 386, etc...

Fun reading: Cpu History (http://www.pcmech.com/show/processors/35/)

[Brundle Fly]

...I got an ATI 3D RageII+ PCI you can have, no charge. I'm quite the procrastinator when it comes to sending out free stuff, but lemme know if you want it... :D

[Brundle Fly]

If I'm not mistaken there was something called the 8008, even older than the 8086. Not sure if I'm mixing up with something else....

after the 8088 came the 80186, then the 80286(or just 286) after that the 386, etc...

Fun reading: Cpu History (http://www.pcmech.com/show/processors/35/)

...first system I bought was a Commodore64, with a cassette tape drive, cost me $450...

[TUK101]

All you want is a pic? How about Steve Ballmer trying to sell it on late night TV?

Linky McLinkage (http://www.freedomstrumpet.com/Windowsvideo/ballmerwindows.wmv)[/QUOTE]
I clicked on that link and got nothing but code on the page.

[TUK101]

If you want a real old school PC then you should really go with a P1 or older. PII's and K62's with MMX and newer really wont give you that old school of an experience. Now going with a 486 or older will definately give you the workout that you are after. I have worked on some of those old dawgs and let me tell you that they will make you do some serious thinking. If you need a CDrom for an old comp I have an Creative CDrom that works off of a floppy port lol. Lemme know, it was probably a couple hun back in the day.

[DaWiper]

...first system I bought was a Commodore64, with a cassette tape drive, cost me $450...

Yep, me too, but that is a totally different cpu family. The c64 cpu was a 1Mhz Motorola 6510 chip, The only thing I remeber was that there where two versions of the SID-chip(sound), and one was better sounding or something like that.

[deRusett]

Windows 1.0??
Whats that like?

Earliest I remember is 3.1


Win 1.0 was ALOT like LISA. mono colour, very basic, DOS was far better to use then Win1.0 was, 3.11 was the first quality Windows, if you can call it that, 3.1 was still problematic

[Th0r]

Yah, here is your google search dude:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=computer+recycling+new+england&btnG=Search



All you want is a pic? How about Steve Ballmer trying to sell it on late night TV?

Linky McLinkage (http://www.freedomstrumpet.com/Windowsvideo/ballmerwindows.wmv)


I'm skared for life now. And i thought PC World salesmen were bad. :bang head

[FlailBoy]

Not sure why this wasn't in GCRD before...

Some of it kinda' was. Covers a couple things that'll probably come up.

486 stuff (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=202461 )

I'd get a 486 and DOS version at least 5.0. DOS 6.2 or 6.22 have a couple features that are handy (memmaker.exe mostly).

[Nephewkp]

I have a 286 mobo and cpu....a cap on the mobo is bad, but I am sure that you can still rescue the 16(I think) individual chips in the memory array that is the 640K ram and the beastly 286 cpu. The award bios chip is probably good as well. I have a old school 30MB 5.25" hard drive and the 16bit ISA controller card for it(the mobo didn't have a integrated drive controller).

Edit: I also have an installation of DOS 5.0 on several 5.25" floppies (in a sealed package) and windows 3.0 (also in a sealed package) if you want it.

[JCLW]

Actually (for intel "PCs") it went:

8086 (8086, 40 pin DIP) - XT 5~8mhz - 0.03m transistors - 3000nm process
8088 (8088, 40 pin DIP) - XT 5~8mhz - 0.03m transistors - 3000nm process
80286 (286, s68) - 286 (AT) 4~12mhz - 0.13m transistors - 1500nm process
80386 (386, s132) - 386SX/DX 16~33mhz - 0.28m transistors - 1500nm & 1000nm process
80486 (486, s168) - 486SX/DX 16~100mhz - ~1.5m transistors - 1000nm, 800nm, & 600nm process
80501 (P5, socket 4) - Pentium 60~66mhz - 3.1m transistors - 800nm process
80502 (P54, socket 5 & 7) - Pentium 75~200mhz - 3.2m transistors - 500nm & 350nm process
PODP5V (POD, socket 4) - Pentium OverDrive 120~133mhz - 3.3m transistors - 350nm process
80503 (Pentium P55, socket 7) - Pentium MMX 133~300mhz - 4.5m transistors - 280nm & 250nm process
80521 (P6, socket 8) - Pentium Pro 150~200mhz - 5.5m transistors - 500nm & 350nm process
POPD66X333 (PIIOD, socket 8) - Pentium II Overdrive 333mhz - 7.5m transistors - 250nm process
80525 (P3, Slot 1 & 2) - Katmai, Tanner 450~600mhz - 9.5m transistors - 250nm process
80526 (P3, s370) - Coppermine, Cascades, Geyserville 600~1133mhz - 28.1m transistors - 180nm process
80530 (P3, s370) - Tualatin 900~1400mhz - 44m transistors - 130nm process
Netburst (where we are now)

[Breadfan]

If you wanna see what Win 1.0 was like, or 2.0, 3.0, etc, this site is great. I love this site it should be favorited by all!

http://toastytech.com/guis/

He also has a bootable floppy image of Win 1.0! It used to be on the site atleast, I can't find it now, I do have it at home though...pretty cool to run and see how things were. I used dos alot, didn't use Windows really until 3.1 although I did get 3.0 running on my parents 286 back in the day...

[TimBlake84]

Microsoft BOB?!?!?!?!? Wow... that blows my mind. Maybe I should try to go for a copy of that. Any idea where I could get it?

[Stumpjumper5200]

ENIAC, baby! Time to bust out some vacuum tubes! :attn:

[nahmus]

I have a working original ATT unix workstation. Its a monitor and case all in one. I thought is was soo cool i could not throw it out. it still works too.

[RJARRRPCGP]

I still have Windows 3.1. ;)

[electrorcamd]

You forgot a cpu. There was also an Intel/Fujitsu 8088-2. It ran at 8MHz, I think. I have it one of my systems that I use quite a bit. It has a 20MB hard drive (MFM I think), 640KB RAM, 5 1/4 inch floppy, DOS 3.2 and 6, CGA graphics. There are more things in my sig for it. I tried to install Windows 3.1 on it once, but that didn't fare so well.

[RJARRRPCGP]

I had a 286 PC before with only 640 KB of RAM. ;)

[speed bump]

I have an old IBM at 286 that still runs and is super heavy. I also might be able to get you some really crazy old parts for you if you wan't to pay shipping for them. I would offer the 286 but it weighs about 100 pounds.

[SunRedRX7]

Couple months ago I gave a friend an old Gateway 486 DX/2 66mhz so he could play some old DOS games on it, and we still have another one at work for an ancient piece of equipment. Funny thing about that one is that it was brought in to replace the ancient 386 that finally died, and we needed something just as slow since the equipment wouldn't work with faster equipment. So we had to install some slowmo PC program to bring this mighty 486 down to the levels of the 386.

Also sitting beside me, I have my super gateway P5-133 tower here. So all of you people with your advanced P4s, to bad, I'm running a P5! Well till I gutted the case, drilled out the extra standoffs and put my Nforce2 and XP 1700 in it and ordered it to run BOINC!

Other interesting things, my dad has a DOS4.0 box I believe in his basement still factory sealed. I'll have to check it out next time I'm over there.

[secretweapon]

Forget Windows 1.0. DOShell was the way to go :)