View Full Version : X800XL reveiws up
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x800_xl/page10.asp
Sentential
12-15-04, 06:24 PM
Very nice. Looks like they have nV on the run again. Hopefully nV can find something to catch up with
The one that really counts: http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/r430/
Overclocker550
12-15-04, 07:45 PM
"On this X800 XL board we managed to overclock the core from 400MHz to 450MHz, representing a 13% core overclock, and the memory from 493MHz to 547MHz, representing an 11% memory overclock."
"Clearly pricing is an important factor for this board and mere hours before this review was due to be published ATI advised that, as they are currently in full production and they have been able to asses the situation (probably yields and current memory prices) better, the X800 parts would have revised suggested pricings of $299 for this X800 XL board (down from the previously suggested $349) and $199 for the standard X800 (from the previous suggested price of $249). We'll have to wait an see how availability of the products from ATI's board partners plays out and how soon these suggested prices are met or exceeded. However, with the X800 XL displaying only around a 10%-15% performance deficit to the X800 XT, but at 75% of the suggested price there's a lot of value in the X800 XL in comparison to the rest of the X800/X850 line, assuming these pricings are met."
The 6800gt, 6800nu, 6600gt and x800pro are all officially dead now. I feel sorry for those who spent $199 for a 6600gt when the farrrrrrr superior x800np is the same price and its 12 pipes plus 256 bit ram. I had my eye on the x800se for $200 on ebay but not anymore, x800np is the new value champ! 9800xt and x800pro have gotta go down in price!!!!!! as for it being pci-e only, so? nf4 is comming soon and those with agp slots have old hardware being a bottleneck anyway
That's what i'm planning on getting instead of the 6600GT. It looks like the X800np is the price/performance way to go. Hopefully I can get a MSI NF4 Ultra when they come out on the 21st, and the pci-e x800np's will be available.
9800xt and x800pro have gotta go down in price!!!!!! as for it being pci-e only, so? nf4 is comming soon and those with agp slots have old hardware being a bottleneck anyway
they dont have to come down in price until ATI makes a card with a bridge chip.
/me think thinks they dont come out with said chip until the stocks of their other AGP cards are real low.
welcome to the world of big corprate biz! :beer:
Ad Rock
12-15-04, 08:36 PM
This news has gotten me very excited. I like the fact that you still get 16 pipelines with the x800 just the core wont be as fast. This is making my eventual leap to NForce4 seem more and more like a possiblity.
Overclocker550
12-15-04, 10:10 PM
400MHz isnt fast? its plenty, only 100MHz slower than the x800xt which is $499 plus todays cpus are a bottleneck. also with 16 pipes, overclocking the gpus ram helps alot more than ocing the core. the 6600gt seems to popular but I can already smell it being a fad and expect to see tons of 6600gt end on ebay in favor of the x800np which is 50% to 100% faster for the same price!!!!!!!!!!
Ad Rock
12-15-04, 10:42 PM
400MHz isnt fast? its plenty, only 100MHz slower than the x800xt which is $499 plus todays cpus are a bottleneck. also with 16 pipes, overclocking the gpus ram helps alot more than ocing the core. the 6600gt seems to popular but I can already smell it being a fad and expect to see tons of 6600gt end on ebay in favor of the x800np which is 50% to 100% faster for the same price!!!!!!!!!!
I am not saying it isnt fast, just saying that we get almost the same specs as the X800XT just not as fact core speed. Believe me I am really excited for this card, I am not complaining about anything on it :D.
It's so funny watching AMD vs INTEL and ATI vs nV... keeps us interested. =)
Give it up to the new, heavyweight champion of the wooooorld.... ATI! Lol... will nVidia challenge ATI to a rematch?
Ad Rock
12-15-04, 11:32 PM
It's so funny watching AMD vs INTEL and ATI vs nV... keeps us interested. =)
Yep and the best part is with every swing they take at each other we benefit from it :D.
nice! besides Doom 3, looks like the XL is better than Gt at most games.
Overclocker550
12-16-04, 02:19 AM
and almost $100 cheaper. the only downside is its pci-e only or at least theres no agp verson for the time being. when and if an agp ever comes, nf4 will be out anyway, making an agp verson a moot point. also rigs without an agp slot were considered ancient, now people will say without a pci-e slot your rig sucks lol
mmmmmmmmmmm... Can't wait to upgrade NF4.
gundamit
12-16-04, 08:24 AM
ATI's X800XL is really going to hit the sweet spot for a lot more video card buyers with this card. And with the slower cores, yields should be more than enough to flood the PCI-E market. Nvida fans should rejoice along with ATI fans since it'll drive prices down on the 6800GTs in time for the SLI upgrades. I wonder if the AGP card market will feel any effect?
snyper1982
12-16-04, 09:56 AM
and almost $100 cheaper. the only downside is its pci-e only or at least theres no agp verson for the time being. when and if an agp ever comes, nf4 will be out anyway, making an agp verson a moot point. also rigs without an agp slot were considered ancient, now people will say without a pci-e slot your rig sucks lol
i know what your saying, but the people who say that are ignorant. I am very unimpressed with intels new chipsets, the NF4 looks like it might be promising, the chipset i am really looking forward to is Ati's new rx480. It looks VERY promising. Hopefully it gets some top level board makers.
deception``
12-16-04, 10:44 AM
An excellent card, especially given the price range. Not only does it outperform an x800 Pro and (in many cases) a 6800 GT, but it does so for approximately $100 less. Furthermore, the fact that this is an exclusively-PCIe solution further drives a nail into the coffin of AGP. However, it would also be pretty foolish to assume that NVIDIA does not have a comparable product in the works. The bottom line, however, is that there are a plethora of wonderful choices out and coming in the not-too-distant future that should really help to feul the move to PCIe adoption.
deception``
It should be in a good price range, considering I will have to change my whole MB in order to use it. I wish ATI would put out AGP cards with this gen. I think they are losing a ton of sales to NV in that dept. We should put a poll up.
The bottom line, however, is that there are a plethora of wonderful choices out and coming in the not-too-distant future that should really help to feul the move to PCIe adoption.
deception``
the problem is what if your happy with the rest of your system and dont want to be FEULed.
:santa:
gundamit
12-16-04, 12:27 PM
I wish ATI would put out AGP cards with this gen. I think they are losing a ton of sales to NV in that dept. No doubt their manufacturing partners are thinking the same thing. :santa2:
So help me deside should I stick we my x700pro whitch is a good card and wait until the R520 comes out and spend 700+ or should I get the X800XL and wait until the R520 come down in price ?
CandymanCan
12-16-04, 04:58 PM
Well considering the 6800GT is old now, new things are ganna be faster then older stuff, All Nvidia has to do now isj ust lower the prices on the 6800's and itll look better for Nvidia again. The 6800GT's are now around $370 for the cheapest i could find, if Nvidia cuts it down to $320 or $300 and the 6600GT from $220 to about $180, the Ultra down to about $390, that would make more sense if you ask me.
Does anyone know if the X800np will be available before yule?
over here i can now buy x800xtpe cards for less than the cost of a 6800gt - you just have to know where to shop....i just bought (its sat at my house so the deal was real) on an online retail store (no fleabay for me) a new sapphire x800xtpe for less than what i originally paid for my x800pro 2 months ago....
Free_Loader
12-16-04, 05:28 PM
Too many decisions to make in all of this. If you are going to upgrade on Technology you can only compare what the costs of those items were at that day and time. Unfortunately, as consumers we are going to be two steps behind and wont know what the problems are with the hardware or programs that accompany the upgrades.....Just get what you want and be happy with it. Bottom line is that there will always be someone who is getting two more fps than you!!! IMO
deception``
12-17-04, 08:41 AM
the problem is what if your happy with the rest of your system and dont want to be FEULed.
:santa:
Since AGP is of a dying breed, it is necessary for ATI and NVIDIA to release new video cards as PCIe-only solutions to help drive the demand. But I wouldn't blame either video card company for this; rather, take into consideration that both Intel and AMD have aggressively pushed for its adoption. To answer your question: you're just going to have to deal with it. I don't mean to be rude, but you will never be able to take advantage of every product out there, but this is nothing to get worked up about. If you'd like to use such a card, then obviously you know that you're going to have to upgrade. It's as simple as that. When buying, it is in a person's best interests to stay informed not only about what is out on the market now, but what is coming out in the future. This way, you can make the best decision possible. This is also the very reason why I have been pushing for PCIe/Nforce 4 solutions for quite some time; In other words, it is been NO SECRET that ATI and NVIDIA would be releasing all new solutions on PCIe-only to fuel the necessary paradigm shift away from AGP. So forgive me for not being so compassionate, but we have all been warned of this for quite some time.
deception``
Overclocker550
12-17-04, 07:23 PM
I agree, if ati makes agp versons of x800xl, it will just greatly slow down the adoption of pci-e. by not making any agp cards better than the lowest end(for non gamers at that just like there still are pci fx5200s) it will force many of us to go pci-e. I will go pci-e oneday but my 9700pro is great now
Since AGP is of a dying breed, it is necessary for ATI and NVIDIA to release new video cards as PCIe-only solutions to help drive the demand.
deception``
well the poll of this enthusiest site shows 65 to 1 AGP so far. i dont think its a dying breed. it is getting killed off, thats for sure.
ATI dont give a rats as about us. all they care about is OEM and the fact that they are not going to lose money chasing yield anymore because the demand will be so low. just taking a guess i bet it costs ATI less than half of what the R420 card cost to produce the .11 chips.
peace! :santa2:
Remember guys. How often do new cards actually debut at what they should do?
Anyways, looks nice. The X800Pro seems faster with no AA and AF, but with it, the XL pulls ahead.
Dam ATI and all there range now though, lol.
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