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I was looking for a good single player RPG and just realised almost all new RPG's are some form of MMORPG. At the very least, they require a monthly fee.
I guess this is the way the market is now. Everquest changed the way good RPG's will be in the future and that sucks. I think the gamers are going to suffer for it. In the future, almost all games are going to require a monthly fee of some sort. I can see this in the works already.
Gone are the days of Might and Magic, Wizardry, etc.. series.
Robrules18
12-19-04, 11:19 AM
I'm Not sure about that. The problem is game creators feel the need to have some crazy combat or levelling system in RPGs now and most of the time it kills the feel of being an RPG. But here are some good RPGs that are new or coming soon:
KotOR II (already out on Xbox coming soon to PC)
Paper Mario II (gamecube)
Jade Empire (coming soon for Xbox)
As Far as monthlyt fees for all games go I doubt it will happen anytime soon. The only way I could see it happening would be if games became so advanced that they needed such massive amounts of computing and internet power that the company that releases them would be forced to host the online modes themselves.
Those are not really PC games though.
As far as the fees go, do not be so sure. Look at how many MMORPG's we have now compared to just two years ago. Its probably close to 5 times as many. That will just continue to grow.
The thing is, they are all mostly all RPG's (Hence the RPG in MMORPG). So all the good single player, not online RPG's will die out.
Dracknem
12-19-04, 11:33 AM
Well, Fallout 3 is in the works for PC, but the way I look at it no PC RPG will ever live up to the Baldur's Gate games. Singleplayer games will still be produced, but most of the good RPG makers are working on console games right now, Bioware and Square are my favorite two, tho Square never really made too many PC RPGs.
MMO's cost a lot more time and money to produce and upkeep, therefore many companies will still produce singleplayer RPGs. The real problem is that many new gamers don't like RPGs, most of my friends who just recently got into gaming can only play FPS games. Singleplayer RPGs will never die tho.....I hope.
Singleplayer RPGs will never die tho.....I hope.
Maybe not die completely, but they are going to be WAY more far and few than they use to be. A lot of the ones that would of normally been single player, will get caught up in the Online madness.
corrosion231
12-19-04, 11:39 AM
Guess you never heard of morrowind. Of its two expansions. Of of its sequel due out in 2005
Flip-Mode
12-19-04, 12:33 PM
Actually I prefer Fallout series to the BG series and I really liked all the Jagged Alliance series all tough they ware not an classic RPG game.
This is defiantly the best genre the PC has to offer for me, I'm just waiting for KOTOR II right now.
N1vek215
12-19-04, 12:55 PM
mmo's are a fad. companies are jumping on the bandwagon. only a handful of mmos are fun, but i can't stand the thought of playing forever, and ever, and ever with no way to BEAT the game. I WANNA SAVE THE WORLD DAMMIT!!!! Single player won't die on the pc, they're here to stay.
Well, Fallout 3 is in the works for PC, but the way I look at it no PC RPG will ever live up to the Baldur's Gate games. Singleplayer games will still be produced, but most of the good RPG makers are working on console games right now, Bioware and Square are my favorite two, tho Square never really made too many PC RPGs.
MMO's cost a lot more time and money to produce and upkeep, therefore many companies will still produce singleplayer RPGs. The real problem is that many new gamers don't like RPGs, most of my friends who just recently got into gaming can only play FPS games. Singleplayer RPGs will never die tho.....I hope.
I have to agree here - I like RPGs but have never played anything that rivals the Baldurs Gate games. Ever.
Schalldampfer
12-19-04, 01:29 PM
I have to agree here - I like RPGs but have never played anything that rivals the Baldurs Gate games. Ever.
You said that correctly... they don't make games like they used to... Black Isle just HAD to go bankrupt...
9mmCensor
12-19-04, 01:56 PM
RPG are best in MUDs. long live text.
yea man since i have an XBOX, and PC i get to somewhat fully enjoy the RPG world... FABLE was awesome, KOTOR I & II were just incredible, Morrowind for PC kicked ass, and im looking forward for more to come....
Yea i kinda wish that some of the MMORPG's that came out, came out for single player as well, I'm not big on paying monthly fees and what not... but what can i say, im pretty happy with the rpg's i've been played....
I usually relay on mods to keep older RPG's alive. The age of truly great RPG's died with the SNES :)
It's all graphics these days, not story (99% of the time).
i totally disagree, ur generalizing... Have u played any of the Rpg's that i mentioned? Yes, snes rpgs were great and lots of fun, but I don't think it'd make much sense if rpgs didnt graphically evolve like every other game... And yes there are some rpgs that just look pretty and have no depth, but then again there are lots of rpgs that look great and have great stories too...
whooping_a_panda
12-19-04, 05:20 PM
a baldur's gate 3 has been announced iirc. its going to be a prequel to the series
exerpt from planetbaldursgate.com a subsite of gamespot.
BG3 In The Works
Thursday, November 4, 2004, 13:27 | MageDragon
According to the October issue of PC Gamer magazine, Baldur?s Gate III is in the works. Although Atari has not announced who the developer or publisher is, they did confirm it would use a 3D engine and AD&D 3.5 rules. Here is a small excerpt:
?The plot will be set in the early days of Baldur?s Gate, but don?t be surprised if you run into a hamster-toting ancestor of Minsc. Atari intends to incorporate a memorable array of Forgotten Realms monsters, races, sub-races and prestige classes and is working closely with Wizards of the Coast to faithfully develop the setting, characters and story. Hight plans to poll fans to ensure that favorite characters, classes and locations are included."
The Hight mentioned is John Hight, Atari Executive Producer. Let?s hope he gets in touch with us here at PlanetBaldursGate so we can run some polls for him.
Stay tuned, we will post more news as we get more information.
a baldur's gate 3 has been announced iirc. its going to be a prequel to the series
Oooooh any news on the ETA?
whooping_a_panda
12-19-04, 05:22 PM
reread the post, i edeted it with real information. and sadnly none as of now. But ill be happy for a when its done as long as it comes and comes in a nice shiney package with the feel of the originals.
edit - i just found this over at IGN.com
http://pc.ign.com/articles/504/504198p1.html
hints at a neverwinter nights 2 also - also note that the IGN article was posted in april whereas the one from planetbaldursgate was in november.
edit one more time -
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/bioshock/preview_6110044.html
bioshock a spiritual sequal to the system shock series, another awsome pc rpg is in the works.
Schalldampfer
12-19-04, 05:30 PM
a baldur's gate 3 has been announced iirc. its going to be a prequel to the series
exerpt from planetbaldursgate.com a subsite of gamespot.
That's one smart move they've made! But... uh... 3D? I think it'll take away the feel...
AEsnowboarding
12-19-04, 05:39 PM
Neverwinter Nights 2 is also coming out.
OC Noob
12-20-04, 01:06 AM
I don't think RPGs stagnating a bit have anything to do with MMORPGs. They a extremely different even though RPG is in the name. You have very little story and character developement in MMORPGs and that has always been the most important aspects of RPGs.
You might blame the Jappanesse RPGs for the lack of great sword & board RPGs, they are taking a lot of the attention and cash in the RPG market. Games like FF and even things like Pokemon or Yu gi oh are sucking up TONS of RPG dollars where the old sword & boards used to.
I see a lot of people coming back to the old school RPGs with the advanced in unique, interactive NPCs that are almost like playing an interactive movie. The next Elder Scrolls will have over 1000's NPCs that will act like real people going about there business 24/7 and have different reaction/interactions with you depending on the way you play. Pretty much the direction Fable went only with all the unique spoken dialoge of a KotOR. Hopefully it will have the character developement of majkor characters and a killer story too.
Anyway, its amazing what developers are doing with this next generation of RPGs and I think it will bring pleantly of $$$ and attention to old school RPGs.
While I do agree there has been a lack of titles, I think your barking up the wrong tree with MMORPGs. They outright suck when it comes to SP RPG elements and there is no way people are going to pay for single player RPGs like they do MMORPGs.
I say, they need to make some good storyline RPG now. Theses MMORP with their monthly charges are ridiculous. So now, I'll just stick to my PS2 and play FF series.
DenniSTi
12-20-04, 02:32 AM
When has the PC ever been know for good single player RPGs?????
Mortis03
12-20-04, 02:37 AM
When has the PC ever been know for good single player RPGs?????
icewind dale, never winter nights, boulders gate....
RPG are best in MUDs. long live text.
Yeah yeah, I second that
I'm not sure what people see in the Elder Scrolls, or KOTOR series. I have both of those games. Morrowind lasted a month on my HD. Till I realized it was just EQ with no people to talk too. I'm not sure what it was about KOTOR, I just didn't like it. I really don't like any RPG that isn't set in midevil times. To me the last great RPG was FF7. After that I havn't played a single RPG thats grabed my interest long enough for me to beat it. I have however replayed FF4 & 6, Crono Trigger, and Zelda OoT atleast twice each in the past four years.
deathman20
12-20-04, 09:14 AM
I just tried a friends KOTOR last night and it wasn't anything like I was expecting. Really a disapointment to me when I was playing it, it was the system they had set in it for interacting with things I just didn't like, or feel like i was in the world. Sad really hopfully KOTOR II will be better.
Morrowind, I played that for a while, then totally lost intrest all of a sudden. Tried again recently to revive it from the depths of my Games pile, and didn't apeal to me 1 bit even with the mods they had out. Hope the next one is going to be better also on it, I think it has lots of potential.
Baulder's Gate, aaah loved that game. Can't wait til the 3rd one comes out, hopfully they don't screw it up with it being in 3D though. Ahh maybe I sall drop that one back on my HDD and try it out once again at least that will keep me occupied for a couple months with 1&2 with the expansion packs.
Neverwinter Nights, it was good but not good. Think the 3D thing threw me for a loop and just never settled right with me for some reason. Maybe its time to resurrect it and try it again after getting more fond of the idea of that game being in 3D.
Edit:
Ooops almost forgot, playing EQ2 right now. Its not bad, it does have story line and talking to other people and working as a team is great for solving problems or quests. Monthly fee does bit, but gotta do what you gotta do to get a fix for some RPG these days.
Lusankya
12-20-04, 10:01 AM
I prefer the PVP of Lineage2
FastRedPonyCar
12-20-04, 10:33 AM
icewind dale, never winter nights, boulders gate....
Diablo, Diablo II, Morrowind, Dungeon Siege...
And dungeon Siege's sequel is coming out next year I think.
TollhouseFrank
12-20-04, 10:56 AM
dont' forget Baldurs Gate, Dungeon Siege, Morrowind, Neverwinter Nights, Deus Ex (i consider it an RPG), SpellForce, and some other ones soon to come out. (its not set yet, but honesty, why would microsoft NOT bring Fable to PC?)
sevendevilhell
12-20-04, 10:58 AM
there's fable, but that's only on xbox. there's sanitarium. that one's really old.
Mortis03
12-20-04, 03:16 PM
I'm not sure what people see in the Elder Scrolls, Till I realized it was just EQ with no people to talk too.
I agree with this. It seems kinda cool at first, then all of the sudden, it gets lonly... hehe
Single player RPG's are definitely not getting squeezed out by MMORPGs. Look at the big series/developers for each group.
The big players in MMORPGs for the most part have never made single player RPG's. The Ultima series is really the only switch, and that was forever ago. Final Fantasy/Square is the only other real example, but Square is big enough to do both, and is doing both.
The big players in single player RPGs are still making....single player RPGs. Bioware has some new Dragon-something in the works that's the next step from NWN, while also having someone making NWN2, and rumorings of BG3. KOTOR2, Jade Empire. Square/Enix is doing its usual thing. The next Elder Scrolls game is in the works. I'm sure that there are plenty more examples.
MMORPG's and single player RPGs can and do coexist just fine and have for a long time already.
John G
PingSpike
12-20-04, 04:41 PM
I usually relay on mods to keep older RPG's alive. The age of truly great RPG's died with the SNES :)
It's all graphics these days, not story (99% of the time).
I disagree. I don't particularly like eastern style RPGs like those that were popular on the SNES. They're fun, but once I've beaten them once I don't ever want to play them again. There story is to linear.
Morrowind is great because you can do whatever you want. I've never even played the main quest. I just setup a thief and rob houses until I'm to rich and powerful. And the game world is huge.
MMORPGs have their place, but the market does seem a bit flooded with them now. Multiplayer RPGs are still a sort of new concept.
PingSpike
12-20-04, 04:49 PM
icewind dale, never winter nights, boulders gate....
Elder Scrolls, many of the original D&D stuff done by SSI? I think.
I'd say the PC has a long history of being a good RPG platform. It has stagnated a bit lately though.
PingSpike
12-20-04, 04:54 PM
I agree with this. It seems kinda cool at first, then all of the sudden, it gets lonly... hehe
Yeah, I will agree with you there. There's work on some advanced mods that have most of the NPCs in the game going to bed at night, locking there doors and going to markets, jobs, etc. They were also working on bandits and pickpockets who rob you which is pretty cool.
Morrowind was great, but they do need to work on making the world feel more real and dynamic. It suffers from everything feeling like its just waiting for you to do something, rather than being a world that could care less about you.
Why not use this as an opportunity to try some classics.
I can reccomend Ultima 7.. it is regarded by many as one of the best RPG's ever made.. and it certainly has a deep plot, and immersiveness not found in many recent games.
There is an engine to play it on modern computers: exult.sourceforge.net (http://exult.sourceforge.net) , but you need a copy of the game still, which you can get on ebay for a few dollars.
Alacritan
12-20-04, 05:05 PM
It just doesn't get better than Fallout. The original had the best pacing and balance of any RPG I've ever played. I almost never got stuck and was just powerful enough to beat the final boss and make it back to the Vault with the water purification chip with a few weeks to spare. One of my favorite games of all time. I can't wait to see it in super high quality 3D, but then again Bethesda is doing it and their games are somewhat slow and boring after a while. I've yet to play one with a compelling storyline or environment like Fallout had.
PingSpike
12-20-04, 05:38 PM
I think bethesda has it in them to make a deep story. I just think they weren't going in that direction with the Elder Scroll games. Whether they can make a graphics engine that doesn't run like crap is the real question.
CraxySerge
12-21-04, 05:55 PM
I played Neverwinter nights and both of the expansions, I love it so much, I just keep playing and playing with diffirent classes, and class combinations. And its fun online as well. Its basically like a fully 3D baldurs gate.
JetEngineMech
12-21-04, 06:50 PM
I played all the Ultimas, many as they were released...It was only when I found out that they were fresh out of Ultimas that I tried Ultima Online. I played for about a year but it became too demanding of my time. I'm thinking of trying KOTOR after reading these posts.
Redstone
12-21-04, 08:16 PM
I played all the Ultimas, many as they were released...It was only when I found out that they were fresh out of Ultimas that I tried Ultima Online. I played for about a year but it became too demanding of my time. I'm thinking of trying KOTOR after reading these posts.
I am a big RPG fan. As far as looking at a whole series, nothing touches the originality and story of the Ultima series. Fallout was good, especially the original Wasteland. Too me Baldur’s Gate tried but never lived up to Ultima.
Single player RPG's may be neglected for a while but always makes a come back.
deathman20
12-21-04, 08:41 PM
Ultima now that was a great game :) I miss that, scareed the crap out of me hehe
DenniSTi
12-21-04, 09:53 PM
Morrowind IV will probably kick ass though.
JetEngineMech
12-21-04, 11:25 PM
especially the original Wasteland.
Yeah! That was a lot of fun! LOL
oso_fast
12-22-04, 03:15 AM
wow im surpised that noone has recommened vampires bloodlines...
im playing through it right now and i gotta say its pretty sweet...only downfall is the amount of bugs it has...really brings the gameplay down
OC Noob
12-22-04, 10:16 AM
I played Neverwinter nights and both of the expansions, I love it so much, I just keep playing and playing with diffirent classes, and class combinations. And its fun online as well. Its basically like a fully 3D baldurs gate.
Yeah, and then there are the million different mods for its, so its not like there is a lack of new game content. NWN is like the RPG that never ends. Probably the best $20-50 you could spend on a game.
Lummoxx
12-22-04, 10:44 AM
mmo's are a fad. companies are jumping on the bandwagon. only a handful of mmos are fun, but i can't stand the thought of playing forever, and ever, and ever with no way to BEAT the game. I WANNA SAVE THE WORLD DAMMIT!!!! Single player won't die on the pc, they're here to stay.
Anything that lives, not just lives, but thrives, in the computer arena for more than a couple years is definitely not a fad. EQ1 still going strong since 1999, despite all the new and graphically superior MMO's.
OcLinNoob
12-22-04, 09:35 PM
ionno about you guys but World of Warcraft is DA BOMB DIGGITY. If you play it you'll see that its worth the monthy payment. They are always adding new things also. Only problem I hate about it is that there servers keep going down and you can't logg in and play
Schalldampfer
12-23-04, 02:49 PM
I think it's time that some developer actually reverted back to the usage of 2D engines to prove that content is currently lacking and overshadowed by graphics. Nowadays, I can't find any games that has at least a decent storyline, a storyline that one will be able to remember. But instead, we have this push for even better 3D graphics, and the focus is shifted to mindless killing of pretty monsters. Something is definitely wrong in the game industry.
Too Smart
12-23-04, 05:51 PM
I've never played a RPG and I'm not entirely sure what they are. Can someone recommend a good older RPG game to buy that can be found in the bargain bin (but not too old, it should still have at least decent graphics).
Schalldampfer
12-23-04, 06:24 PM
I've never played a RPG and I'm not entirely sure what they are. Can someone recommend a good older RPG game to buy that can be found in the bargain bin (but not too old, it should still have at least decent graphics).
I heartily recommend Baldur's Gate series. I think the whole series can be bought at under 30 or 40 dollars.
Mortis03
12-24-04, 02:44 PM
I've never played a RPG and I'm not entirely sure what they are. Can someone recommend a good older RPG game to buy that can be found in the bargain bin (but not too old, it should still have at least decent graphics).
Icewind Dale was very good imho. Hehe, I dont think I ever got around to finishing it, but I still thought it was fun and w/ decent graphics.
DarkVirusVx
12-24-04, 11:05 PM
well first not all MMOrpgs have a monthly fee. Guildwar(out next month) doesnt. The game give you more of a feelng think you make a diffrence. You can take over town, open your own store , Ext.
other games coming out
BloodRayne 2
Dungeon Lords (by D.W. Bradley, whose previous credits include games in the Wizardry and Wizards & Warriors series)
Freedom Force vs. the Third Reich
Stolen
Rpgs arent dead there evolving. I miss games that were more about the story then great graphics. Thats the diffrents between final fantasy234567 and X2 ext. But there are games out that have great story lines. I still think Deus ex was an amazing game(havent played 2 yet). You just have to look for the diamond
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