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speed bump said:The last thought I had about this article is really makes Ed seem biased toward AMD and should put rest that he hates AMD. Although he has some pretty lofty goals for AMD next year.
dicecca112 said:also I would say that the mobile XPs were a winner, those were like a holy grail for overclockers, even with my unclocked 2600+ TBred, It fought me to 2.3, the mobile did 2.6 easy. I'd say that was a winner.
__TRONIK__ said:joe has been doing this all year and its getting more than a little tiresome. I used to check hte frontpage and find interesting reviews of nice gadgets, if not hands on guides to the latest "unlocking" trick, or the latest advance in cooling.
well there wal almost none of this teh second half of the year. whether people stopped submitting stuff or joe decided this was his forum for complaining about tech, and generally sounding like a grumpy old man about it, the appeal of the overclockers front page jsut went down down down hill.
actually they are very affordable, and very not dead. 2800's have been cheap for some time now. in fact, there have been numerous xp's more expensive than it for quite some time. still are. barton prices have almost not changed at all. Teh barton i got in summer - of 2003 mind you - was $83. the price has not really changed. heck, tbred's are more expensive than they ever were. as for 754, it is not dying. it has been extended, and will occupy the "value" end. having used both 754 and 939, I can tell you that they are not that far apart. A good 939 board is the same price as a good 754 board, and the price premium on a winnie is maybe $25 for a 939 chip. no there is no announcement of nf4 for 754. but all nf4 really means is pci-e and better revisions of the nforce chipset. the chipset revisions WILL trickle down to both nforce3 platforms. just not with pci-e, but you will see better HTT performance. You will also see nf4 with agp, like one already announced by Epox. not to mention that 754 will see 90nm cpus as well.speed bump said:Its about time something on S754 is afforadable even though its is a very dead end platform. I havent heard anything about NF4 for S754 have you.
yeas, and it did not. of course, that was around a year ago. back when it truly didn't make sense to go a64 form a good barton. 64's didnt clock very well, and only gigabyte and shuttle had working locks. nforce3 250 not only had working locks, it allowed 1000mhz HTT, up from 800HTT. those have been available since Q1.PCI locked NF3 is about time Nvidia was supposed to have it on the orginal NF3s.
it is no longer all that extreme. it may be around here, since so many have had it ground into them that nforce2 is still where it's at, but good TCCD, like that on brainpower PCB, as typified by that on OCZ Plat. rev2, G.Skill, Patriot XBL, and others, can and does do it with good regularity. In fact they are well above that, 350mhz ram is around. You make a good point about most ram doing 220 on most nforce2. trouble is most nforce2 will not do more than 230. and for that, you do not need very expensive TCCD ram, which has to have its latencies loosened from cl2 in order to hit that limit. $150/gig ram will do just fine, not the $250+/gig ram that was tested. i did not find it particularly well explained in that article that you didnt need ram of that ilk to get those clocks, and not only that, it seemed as though the reviewer was curious as to why he could not get stable higher. way to confuse the reader. if we are so value minded here, why are we testing state of the art, expensive ram on near obsolete platforms?How many people have hit 300mhz FSB I certainly haven't seen to many but I don't frequent extreme systems to often.
you are kidding right? a good revision? mature motherboards? we have both. we HAVE had both. the DFI is an amazingly good example of a mature socket 754 board. in fact it has to be one of the best motherboards of.....ever. 90nm cpus are routinely getting to 2.7-2.8 on water, and very often, on the boxed heatsink, of all things. newcastles dont lag much behind that. 2.5-2.7ghz is very, very common. this is already a clock for clock match to braton, and clock for clock, the bartons get crushed.They tested the ram on the platform they had not the platform you want them to have. I am willing to bet in Feb. or Mar. you will see ram reviews based on the A64 becuase AMD will finally have a revision that OCs well and mature S939 Nforce4 mobos.
again, they are very available. I have two x800 vivos that both modded to xt's (a neat little trick that also got no front page coverage) and I did not have any problem finding them either. and the price is not terribly different than what 9800xt was goning for last winter. cept these are way, way more than a speedbump.Yeah vid cards did really well but hey for stuff released 6 months ago they aren't very easy to get a hold of for even retail price let alone below.
oh come on...there have been aftermarket coolers for years...you are an overclocker, right? even ti4200, which could basically run on a northbridge cooler, even passively in some instances, had a bevy of aftermarket coolers available. I have several of swiftech's old waterblocks rfor them right here....wanna buy one? you still run that, right? since it is mature and all? you see arctic silencers because they were immensely popular for 9800's, and because people wanted to *gasp* overclock! and you see premounted waterblocks because they have already been doing this for some time - gainward comes to mind - and it is a clear moneymaking concept. you take a $5 crappy waterblock, and add a $200 price premium. and you get people who assume it must be the best thing going.If vid cards are running cooler then I can't find a reason why in the world all these companys are coming out with aftermarket coolers. Why are the X850s moving to a dual slot cooling solution? Why can you now buy a video card that comes already loaded with water cooling(BFG 6800U)?
maybe with a 6800ultra, but bascially, no, you are wrong. 64's run with less voltage than their predecessors. athlon xp's wer run with up to 2.1v. I ran that. I dont need more than 1.7v on my 64's. and see above, the x800 uses LESS power. if you need to run out and buy a PSU, then you already did. my spare rig runs a 2800+64 and a nvidia 6800nu. it runs very well on a generic, com-in-the-tower, almost-float-away-its-so-light psu.Combined with an A64 a 6800 or x800 sends your average ocer to find a new PSU.
you may need an upgrade form that 400watter for SLI, yes. but you dont need those monsters. those monsters are coming out because they can, and because of oneupsmanship, and because having the biggest anything is alot like having the biggest *youknowwhat* in marketing. it trickles down your product line. jsut ask ati. and bug numbers sell, jsut ask nvidia, who sold a ton of fx5700 256mb cards that were slow as molasses, like slower than ti4200 64mb, jsut based on the 256mb onboard.Unless you already have a pretty big PSU two 6800s are going to bring your system down to its knees. If you don't believe it check out the fact that OCZ and PCP&P are coming out with new 600watt monsters with three count em three 12v lines
by the end of the year? no one really had mobiles then, true. tons had bartons by the end of the year. about as many as tbreds, actually. tbreds the cpu of that year? I can defineately agree with that. they got close to 3ghz? nuh uh. nope. sorry. they did about 2.4ghz. with 256cache. and when a few later revisions hit 2.5, barton was already cleaning its clock(s). My complaint was that actually mobiles should have been this years cpu of the year. this was the year of the mobile, in that most all of these forums has had one, and they clocked very high indeed. were they better than 64, and is 64 a loser? nope. I only give mobile the edge because this year truly will be, without a doubt, teh year 64 is the ONLY game in town. and for some of this year, mobile played a pretty darn good game. and no cpu deserved cpu of the year? I think we had two.2003 is long past how many people even had mobiles then? The fact is everyone wanted a tbred B becuase it was the first AMD CPU to get close to 3ghz. Fushyuguru even had one that 2.7ghz on water. That to me is very nice.
yes, sata was around. but you didnt read what I wrote. I said that teh performace boost of sata is not all that great. but the interface allows cheap, easy raid on nearly EVERY board out there, even nforce2. and Sata got cheap. in a hurry, too.SATA was around last year. Heck Raptors are what 1 year and 6 or 8 months old. I wouldn't call that new technology. As far as prices go they should probably be lower as PATA is a dieing technology.
who cares about drives getting faster than 16x? when you get good 16x media, that is 7.5 minutes. 32x would be 3.75 minutes. your time that valuable? 2x to 16x = big difference. 16x to 32x = not. And I am saying that compressed dvds are okay until dual layer dsiks get cheap. in the meantime, you get to burn 4.7gb backups, you get compatibility when the disks are cheap, and you only pay about $10 more than if you were buying a cdrw. are you really concerned about your dirve becoming obsolete? really? we have parallel and serial ports on out motherboards, for crying out loud. we have FLOPPY CONNECTORS. yes, my man, we will have PATA connectors for a long, long time to come. until we are not using dvd's anymore I can imagine. and if I get your point of view right, even after motherboards stop offering them, you will still be using one that does.As far as DVD burners go I haven't seen anything all that convincing to buy one as they have been at 16x speed for awhile, If I wan't to burn movies I don't wan't compression so dual layer is a must(a view that is shared by quite a few people on this forum). and I don't want my brand new drive to be obsolete becuase nobodys managed to come out with a cose to affordable SATA model.
jsut because you have not heard about it does not mean it does not exist, or will not be any good. many of us have, and believe me, it WILL be good. I am taking part, with others, with ATi desingers in a discussion about features and layout of the to-be-released soon board, in which they are getting out feedback about what we want it to be. it will be a great board. have no doubts, and dont be surprised when you find out this is true.If this ATI board is going to be so good then why isn't this being talked about all over. The Nforce 4 is better than Intel can even come up with right now and is even built up enough love that people refused to go VIA even if they had put out something that was as good or better than Nvidia
no, didnt miss them. it wasnt so much my point that there have not been any heatpipe reviews - there were teh thermalrights, largely because they were sent by heatsink factory, and because this site has reviewed all of the thermalright sinks. but the larger move to heatpipe tech has not really registered here. the hyper6 is an excellent example. breaking records and it still has not been reviewed. nor have the other non-thermalrights. the xp pipes are basically the same or worse performaing that slk's, they jsut allowed thermalright to use something less expensive than copper. but great for them, and still a great product, and I like the big fans. but we should be hearing about the stuff that is outperforming them. [/quotes]On Heatpipes I did notice they reviewed the Xp120 which happens to be the cooler that happens to be the most reccomended A64 cooler, and also some of the intial heatpipe cooler designs were reviewed by Joe. You might look in the cooling section on the main page to find out about this if you missed it.
one does not have to be doing article to comment on the articles that are there. where do you get that? should we check everyone who has posted, or will post in this thread to see if they have qualified themselves to discuss this by getting an article put up? have you yet? like you, whose opinion does count, even if I violently disagree with it, I actually have been working on an article myself. it details how to mod a phase change into a lian li pc-7x. it also includes the tech i have put into it. It requires more than jsut a couple pictures, and is taking some time. I was not going to mention it yet because of that. I also have been doing it without thinking that it is a shoe in for front page, since it does not deal with socketA, and does not poo-poo current tech, or somehow may be considered too "extreme" for what this crowd seems to have become. oh yes, and of late, like hours before I wrote last night, I am hitting 3ghz on a winchester, stable. on 1.65 volts. and I am not done yet. what were you doing again?Finally if you don't like whats on the frontpage write articles and submit them. Everyone who writes articles on the frontpage either has a Socket A or 478 or CPU doesn't play into the article. Personally I wan't to see more mobo reviews on the Frontpage so I'm working on one right now. What are you doing?
Sucka said:Prescott worst CPU ever made by Intel?! This was obviously written by a fanboy seeing as how it outperforms it's older brother, the Northwood while overclocked. Don't agree with that.
I.M.O.G. said:When will people ever quit calling fanboyism on the frontpage - if you are an actual reader, you would know that Ed is very willing to give and take with both sides of the coin.