Me wanty a 540J or 550J!!! Who has them!?!?!

[mattspalace]

Just like the title says, I'm looking for either a 540J or 550J, not the 560J cuz she costs too much for me - well more than I'm willing to pay anyway..

Know who has them in stock??

[AaronR]

Would you consider 530J (http://inktomi-cnet.com.com/Intel_Pentium_4_530J_3_GHz_processor/4014-3086_9-31116836.html?part=inktomi-cnet&subj=Intel+Pentium+4+530J+3+GHz+processor&tag=feed) ?

[mattspalace]

I want a 3.2GHz minimum - a 3.4GHz 550J would probably be perfect for me. 560J is still too much $$$.

[mattspalace]

Bah, I've looked all over and can't find one anywhere - guess I'll just have to wait..

I'm not buying from Newegg, I'm fed up with them and they won't get anymore money from me.

[DanIdentity]

http://www.securemart.com/cgi-bin/future/INM74288.html?pcode=5

http://triointernational.com/store/TNI.cfm?partNo=BX80547PG3200EJ&stat=cnet

Never heard of the retailers, but both say they have the 540J in stock.

[mattspalace]

Thanks man.. Hmmm, hard choice here. Maybe I'll wait a bit longer so other places I've dealt with before get them in stock.

[FIZZ3]

The upcoming 600 series seems so much more promising to me... can't you wait a few months for more L2, 64bit extensions etc?

[aNTiChRisT]

There's always going to be something better out though, isnt there?

At my retailer:

Pentium 4 550 1MB Socket775 800FSB Box

Pentium 4 550J Socket 775 1MB 800FSB Inc Fan

These are the 3.4's, what is the J bit?

Thx,

~t0m

[DanIdentity]

There's always going to be something better out though, isnt there?

At my retailer:

Pentium 4 550 1MB Socket775 800FSB Box

Pentium 4 550J Socket 775 1MB 800FSB Inc Fan

These are the 3.4's, what is the J bit?

Thx,

~t0m

The J indicates it's the new E0 stepping, which includes the Execute Disable Bit (EDB) and Thermal Monitoring 2 (TM-2).

[aNTiChRisT]

I see, very good they have a few hundred in my local retailer :) Better start saving for that 3.4 :)

~t0m

[aNTiChRisT]

Interesting, the "J" version is £200 (About $380) and the non-j for £180 (About £340)

Is the extra £20 worth it?

~t0m

[DanIdentity]

Interesting, the "J" version is £200 (About $380) and the non-j for £180 (About £340)

Is the extra £20 worth it?

~t0m

I'd say yes...especially if you plan to overclock. They overclock better.

[mattspalace]

Yea!! found the 540J at Eastluna.com :D

[Sentential]

The upcoming 600 series seems so much more promising to me... can't you wait a few months for more L2, 64bit extensions etc?
umm i dunno about that. I saw a preview for the 660 and it looked bad...REALLY bad. On load it put out almost 153W which is just incredible for any cpu.

[mattspalace]

Whoa, that is a sh!tload of heat!!!!

I think I'll be happy with this CPU - hopefully she'll reach 4GHz with a nice 250FSB to the memory and 2-2-2-6 timings. I'll be finished......................for awhile ;)

[mattspalace]

whew, I paid premium $$$ for this CPU..

[aNTiChRisT]

You went for the 3.2?

~t0m

[Sentential]

Whoa, that is a sh!tload of heat!!!!

I think I'll be happy with this CPU - hopefully she'll reach 4GHz with a nice 250FSB to the memory and 2-2-2-6 timings. I'll be finished......................for awhile ;)
Yea i know :eek: I HATE throwin figures around without pix to prove it. Sadly Ive looked all over and cant find it. However I do know its a 660.

Overall for a **** load more heat output the peformance gain is around 10% overall <if that>. It was in mostly korean so I couldnt read it other than the numbers they presented.

[mattspalace]

Yeah, I think it'll do for now.

[DanIdentity]

Yea i know :eek: I HATE throwin figures around without pix to prove it. Sadly Ive looked all over and cant find it. However I do know its a 660.

Overall for a **** load more heat output the peformance gain is around 10% overall <if that>. It was in mostly korean so I couldnt read it other than the numbers they presented.

Is this the review you're talking about?

http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/p4660-2.htm

http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/P4660/fmb.jpg

The TDP for the highest end 6xx CPUs is 130W vs 115W of the 5xx. How much extra heat that transfers into I'm not sure.

[Sentential]

Yes and I appreciate you finding that for me. I will post the pix now:
http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/P4660/5fulload.jpg[/IMG]
http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/P4660/6fulload.jpg

EIST? Speed Step, Pyo? Myung, 0.41A 230V CoolerMaster RealPower Go? 95% = 0.41 x 230 x 0.95 = 89.6W $$lnCPU Burn? EIST Jae Ya Tae Byul? Full Load Si and Si pulse Wednesday Pyung, Hwa the EIST $$ln

This is where I got my info. I belive they are referenceing to the power draw which is a direct relation to the heat output <may be wrong>

Whats worse is seeing **** like this :

P4 660 3.6GHz則為 172.6W thats on load apparentally <power draw>

[DanIdentity]

I belive they are referenceing to the power draw which is a direct relation to the heat output <may be wrong>

Correct. The CPU dissipates energy in the form of heat. The dissipation is measured in watts, the higher the dissipation, the hotter it is. However, I don't know how much an increase in dissipation of 15W at load affects actual temperture in degrees.

[BigStan]

Yea!! found the 540J at Eastluna.com :D
Keep us updated on how well it does. I'd be interested in knowing how it compares to 540~550 non "J". I'm betting you can get more then 250fsb out of it.

[mattspalace]

We'll see, and yeah I'll keep everyone updated. I'm sitting on a Gig of Mushkin BH-5 and a Gig of Mushkin TCCD. If I can push past 250FSB, which would be higher than 4GHz, I will be very impressed. I won't have the CPU until early next week though, unless I get an itch to go out this weekend and do some searching at local computer shops.

[FIZZ3]

Good luck with your chip.

That's a major disappointment if those heat output figures are confirmed. I thought Intel was improving the design; they even added a type of 'cool 'n quiet' although that would do little for load temperature of course.

[JCLW]

It idles cooler.

I'm waiting for the new Dothan chipset for my next workstation.

[@md0Cer]

It idles cooler.



True, but what is the point of having a fancy CPU if it is never going to see load?

Also, it's idle will of course be more heat than the idle of the current ones. The idle and load increases are almost if not, spot on linear.

[JCLW]

Hey, don't kill the messenger ;)

The idle is supposedly less then current ones because it employs new (to the P4) tactics like FSB throttling and multiplier reduction (that's why newer P4s have downward adjustable multipliers).

Kind of like dothans - they all idle at 600mhz.

[@md0Cer]

Hey, don't kill the messenger ;)

The idle is supposedly less then current ones because it employs new (to the P4) tactics like FSB throttling and multiplier reduction (that's why newer P4s have downward adjustable multipliers).

Kind of like dothans - they all idle at 600mhz.

Heh, that wasn't my intention. My post seems a little harsh. Oh well, im tired. Probably time to log-off now.


I see, what you mean now by it idling cooler. At first I thought you meant "it idles cooler than the 153 watts listed above" But now I see you mean it idles cooler than the current CPU's.

I forgot about that though. I also heard they were going to implement some new thermal control feature to the Pentium M that allows it to actually completely shut down certain parts of the CPU not being used as well as lower voltage (not too sure about the voltage lowering) and slow down the clockspeed. Not that it really needs it seeing as how it is so freaking fast for only producing a maximum of 20 thermal watts. This laptop I am on now actually runs 7.5 hours with the LCD brightness down and the CPU on slow, with ONE battery, not even with the optional drive bay battery installed.

[mattspalace]

Woot!! My 540J has shipped and will be here on Wednesday!! Oh, along with another 74GB Raptor (For Raid 0) and a Pioneer 16x DVD Burner - so I can back up the stuff on the Raptor i already have..

[BigStan]

OK - we're all gonna be waiting to see how well it does!

[Sentential]

OK - we're all gonna be waiting to see how well it does!
Agreed, hopefully it will break 4.2:beer:

[mattspalace]

Thar she blows!!! ;)

540J arrived today. The box sure is big for this thing. It's an SL7PW with a pack date of 12/31/04. New Year's eve, that means a big overclocking party for me!!

Give me a couple of days fellas, but I will get back once I get the rig back up and running.

[JCLW]

Good luck with it :)

[mattspalace]

ZZF has the 540J for $239 shipped. They also have the 530J, but no 550J, but they do have the 560J.

[BigStan]

Thar she blows!!! ;)

540J arrived today. The box sure is big for this thing. It's an SL7PW with a pack date of 12/31/04. New Year's eve, that means a big overclocking party for me!!

Give me a couple of days fellas, but I will get back once I get the rig back up and running.
tic toc ~ tic toc~ we're waiting :p

[MikeyLikesItSI]

I was just reading the caption on ZZF's web site about the 560J, and read the part about the Execute Disabled Bit. I originally thought it meant it was 14x capable..... but i'm starting to think i'm mislead......

What exactly is the EDB?

BTW good luck with that processor! let us know how you make out!

[BigStan]

Here is an article on EBD. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,116424,00.asp

It is a security feature that is supposed to help prevent virus infections. Has nothing to do with the 14 multi. The 560J will do a 14 multi with a mobo and BIOS that supports it.

[MikeyLikesItSI]

Thanks stan! you always come through with something for me. your the best!

[BigStan]

Are you thinking about buying one of those 560J's?

[MikeyLikesItSI]

definitly considering it. I want someone to confirm that its not a China built though (from zipzoomfly.com, or any other retailer).... i'm sick of this China 3.2 that i have.

I'm also considering a D0 3.4. I've got some OCZ VX on the way, and would love to take advantage of the 14x multi (unless reports come in that the E0 reach high FSB with stock divider)

[JCLW]

I have a 330J (Celeron 2.66) which does 4ghz - all I did was set the voltage to 1.4vcore and up the FSB to 200mhz. Temperature-wise it's great - I've got a big CoolerMaster copper heatsink with a 1500rpm Zalman fan (which runs @1200~1300rpm) on it right now and at stock speeds it's idling at 24C, and hitting 33~34C loaded. At 4ghz it idles at 32C and hits 47C loaded. I havn't tried anything higher as it's just for a file/media server and it'll run at stock speeds for the rest of its life anyways.

I've been impressed with E0 so far.

[thegreek]

I have a 330J (Celeron 2.66) which does 4ghz - all I did was set the voltage to 1.4vcore and up the FSB to 200mhz. Temperature-wise it's great - I've got a big CoolerMaster copper heatsink with a 1500rpm Zalman fan (which runs @1200~1300rpm) on it right now and at stock speeds it's idling at 24C, and hitting 33~34C loaded. At 4ghz it idles at 32C and hits 47C loaded. I havn't tried anything higher as it's just for a file/media server and it'll run at stock speeds for the rest of its life anyways.

I've been impressed with E0 so far.
Dude thats awesome... thats a 1.4 Ghz OC

[JCLW]

http://img136.exs.cx/img136/4376/cpuz4wk.gif

CPUZ reads voltage incorrectly on Asus P5GD_ boards. That's really ~1.4vcore as reported by both BIOS and Asus Probe.

SuperPI @ 4ghz = 44secs

It's kind of funny - my file server will do 4000mhz+ but the most I can get out of my workstation processors is ~900mhz.

[mattspalace]

Okay, I'm finally back up. Good lord I've never had so much trouble setting up Raid0, plus the E0 CPU was quite unhappy with the motherboard. Finally got it up and running - immediately flashed the bios to the latest one which is supposed to have better support for E0 steppings.
Anywho, My SysTemp is 25c idle, my CPU temp is 30c idle. I haven't overclocked anything yet as I'm just now putting all the stuff back on the rig. Raid0 with these two 74GB Raptors is smokin' fast though. The little LED bar goes by one, yes one, time on the XP splash screen before the system has booted. It takes awhile for all the network stuff to catch up. lol.. Default voltage is 1.35v for the CPU :D

[mattspalace]

And just FYI, if you are considering a similar mobo and CPU setup, do yourself a BIG favor and download the latest bios so you can flash before you start trying to install an O/S. It will save you loads of frustration.

[mattspalace]

16 x 225 for 3.6GHz went off without a hitch - raised my idle temp 2c.

[DanIdentity]

16 x 225 for 3.6GHz went off without a hitch - raised my idle temp 2c.

Crossing my fingers for 4GHz, good luck! :attn:

[mattspalace]

Now 3.85GHz (240fsb) with default voltage of 1.35 - temp didn't increase any.

[mattspalace]

4GHz is going to take a voltage increase. Anyone know what's safe for these LGA CPU's? I'm sure 1.4v is fine since the intel box says that's the max voltage - just wondering what other peeps are using.

[DanIdentity]

4GHz is going to take a voltage increase. Anyone know what's safe for these LGA CPU's? I'm sure 1.4v is fine since the intel box says that's the max voltage - just wondering what other peeps are using.

A minor voltage increase is fine, I really wouldn't worry about 1.4V at all. Try bumping the voltage one notch at a time.

[mattspalace]

Update: 245fsb for 3.92GHz. Strange things happen with 250fsb.. I need to do some reading at DFI-Street. Still idling really cool though. I need to install some benchmarking programs and see how it looks loaded up.

[DanIdentity]

Is that 245 FSB with a voltage bump or no?

[mattspalace]

1.375v, so a small bump - although I'm still trying to figure out what the deal is 250fsb. Shouldn't be my memory, but I'll DL memtest just to be sure. Not many people have these EO LGA P4's that for sure..

[deception``]

1.375v, so a small bump - although I'm still trying to figure out what the deal is 250fsb. Shouldn't be my memory, but I'll DL memtest just to be sure. Not many people have these EO LGA P4's that for sure..

I have a few questions if you do not mind:

1. What type of temps are you getting with your current setup? I'm assuming you're under an XP-120, but I could be wrong.

2. How about game benchmarks; Much of a difference coming off of your 2.65 Ghz Athlon 64?

Thanks for your time

deception``

[mattspalace]

Well at 3.9GHz, it idles at ~31.5c - I have yet to run Prime95 as I'm still tweaking. I will today though. I have an XP-90. I like the design of it better than the XP-120. Plus my exhaust fan is 120mm X 38mm so if the XP-120 fit, it would barely fit.

Well for now, the biggest increase I have seen is from my Raptor Raid. Freaking FAST!

I'll run benchies and such soon - I'm off work tomorrow so I'll have lotsa time to see what's what.

[mattspalace]

downloading Prime95 right now. I'll post some load temps.

[mattspalace]

Load temp with P95 is 46c. Not bad.. Running through Test #3 right now.

[mattspalace]

Super Pi calculation of 1M digits finished in 33 seconds.

Prime95 self-test finished with no errors.

[nikhsub1]

I've been running my 560J at 4.3Ghz with 1.55V set in bios.

[mattspalace]

Just in case anyone wants to know about case cooling, this is what I have:

1. 120mm x 25mm Enermax intake lower front of case
2. 120mm x 38mm Panaflo intake over AGP slot
3. 120mm x 38mm Panaflo exhaust in rear
4. 92mm x 38mm (I think) exhaust blow hole
5. 92mm x 38mm (I think) intake on the right side of case
6. The exhaust fan on my PCP&C

All the holes are punched on my case, so airflow is very good.
These fans are all on rheostat except CPU fan - Panaflo 92mm x 25mm.

[mattspalace]

I've been running my 560J at 4.3Ghz with 1.55V set in bios.

So you're running 238FSB - have you seen anyone running 250FSB with this board?

[nikhsub1]

So you're running 238FSB - have you seen anyone running 250FSB with this board?
Cant say that I have, however i did run mine with the 14x multi at 250 for a while, ran fine...

[BigStan]

So you're running 238FSB - have you seen anyone running 250FSB with this board?
I just picked up this 530E at Fry's this afternoon. Angry Games at dfi-street,com has a 2.8 he runs at 260fsb. I don't know anyone running a "J" proc at a high fsb.

[mattspalace]

4GHz!! It's not stable though. :(
I raised the voltage to 1.425

3.92GHz was completely stable and passed P95 without a hitch at 1.375v.

Might have to throw my BH-5 back in and run with this for awhile.

[mattspalace]

I might be able to push another couple of Mhz higher on the fsb though, so I'll give that a try tomorrow.

[JCLW]

Some guys over at XtremeSys (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44785) have those DFI boards up to insane FSBs.

[mattspalace]

Hmmm... I think my 540J is maxed out at 3.92GHz then, unless I want to throw mad voltage at it.

[BigStan]

You have very good cooling on there. You should be safe up to about 1.5v. I wouldn't go above that unless you put it on H2O. Watch your temps. If you start going over 60c under load, then you've gone too far for the cooling you have. You will start thermal throttling somewhere between 60c~65C, so trying to go higher under those conditions won't help your performance.

[mattspalace]

Here's a quick question for you.. Does the DDR Booster work on this board, and if so, what's the max voltage??

I'll up the voltage to see if I pass Prime95 over 4GHz. I am happy with nearly 4GHz on stock voltage though. :)

[BigStan]

If you are happy with it then stop right where you are and go have some fun with it.

The OCZ DDR booster has been known to burn up on this mobo.

[mattspalace]

Ok, thanks..

Honestly, I like running 3.92GHz at stock vcore - I bumped the voltage to 1.45v and set 250fsb, booted up, but Prime failed instantly. I know it's not my memory. Can't be.
Meh, I'm happy. I think I'll throw my BH-5 back in and run 2-2-2-6 and 245FSB.

[BigStan]

Overall performance you might be at the same point. Give up a tad on the CPU speed but gain a lot on the mem performance. Not a bad way to go.

[MikeyLikesItSI]

Hey matt, do you remember what country this processor was from?

[mattspalace]

China

[MikeyLikesItSI]

I have a D0 3.2E from China and its stuck at 3885 mhz. i do fail memtest, and the dividers don't work on this board so well. I odered some OCZ VX and it arrived today. I'm going to pop that in this evening and see if i can loosen the timings and get a higher FSB

[mattspalace]

This CPU kinda reminds of the 2.6C's back in the day. Just about all of them would do 3.25GHz (250FSB), but wouldn't go ANY higher - some did, but most smaked into a big brick wall at 250fsb. My CPU will do 245FSB with stock voltage, but 250FSB is a no go even with 1.45V. I could go higher, but honestly it's not worth it and would increase my temps in a pretty big way. Still love this CPU though. I'll keep it............for awhile.... :)

[MikeyLikesItSI]

Sounds great! lots of luck with it :-)