Can you suggest something else (ATI or NV) before I buy this?

[Quailane]

I guess I am just remembering the good times we used to have together, but I saw this card on newegg and I just have to get it for old time's sake. I hope it gets back in stock. Not 2 hours ago I swear it was in stock.http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-133-101&depa=0

[Cowboy X]

Well for a bit more $$$ :

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-131-199&depa=1

And this is the cheapest 256 bit 9800/9800 pro :

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-164-025&depa=1

On the Nvidia side a 5900 XT would be better but there are none in stock . All of the faster versions of the 5900 series are either too expensive or out of stock . The next best bet would be a 6600 but only PCI-E versions are available on newegg and the gt is alot more pricey , but in the same price range as a 9800 pro ( 256 bit ) :

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-150-080&depa=1

^^^^ And that is the cheapest agp model . ^^^^

So there is nothing in the same price rnge from what I can see . For a bit more $$ that 9700 pro is a good card its 256 bit and will knock the socks off of 256 bit plain 9800's not to mention the 128 bit 9800's . Secondly it will beat all of the NV cards in the same price range . But there is nothing that I can find directly in the price range of the 5900SE which you linked to .

[Nandro]

You can get this 5800NU off ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80185&item=5158807393&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
It should beat the 5900SE. I had one and it was fairly fast as long as no aa or af was used. I used it to play through HL2.

A better bet would be a used 9700pro going around $100 on ebay. Same speed as the 5800 or 5900se really and able to use aa and af with better IQ to boot.

[Quailane]

You can get this 5800NU off ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80185&item=5158807393&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
It should beat the 5900SE. I had one and it was fairly fast as long as no aa or af was used. I used it to play through HL2.

A better bet would be a used 9700pro going around $100 on ebay. Same speed as the 5800 or 5900se really and able to use aa and af with better IQ to boot.

A 5900SE is FAR better than any 5800 card.

[Nandro]

I dont think so.