G Skill or Patriot

jtc_hunter · Jan 28, 2005

I am thinking of replacing my OCZ Performance series pc3500 w/ either the Patriot PC 4400 1 gig 3-4-4-8 (model pcc1g4400elk) or G.Skill PC4400 2.5-4-4-8, (model f1-3200dsu-1gbld). There is about $20 diff and the g.Skill is rated at cas2.5 as opposed to the Patriot at cas 3. Any recommendations ? One better than the other ? Check my specs, I am looking for the best FSB ,stability, and bandwidth for my system. My CPU will do 2500 mhz. on air. Am I dreaming or could I get 240-250 fsb from my system (with complete stability for gaming)?

glock19owner · Jan 28, 2005

jtc_hunter said:
I am thinking of replacing my OCZ Performance series pc3500 w/ either the Patriot PC 4400 1 gig 3-4-4-8 (model pcc1g4400elk) or G.Skill PC4400 2.5-4-4-8, (model f1-3200dsu-1gbld). There is about $20 diff and the g.Skill is rated at cas2.5 as opposed to the Patriot at cas 3. Any recommendations ? One better than the other ? Check my specs, I am looking for the best FSB ,stability, and bandwidth for my system. My CPU will do 2500 mhz. on air. Am I dreaming or could I get 240-250 fsb from my system (with complete stability for gaming)?

First thing...the LD's are the worse of the Skills...they are PC3200 rated at 6-3-3-2...and do not tend to OC as well nor with better timings like the LC and LE's OC...

I personally run a set of 1G LC's and after a few weeks...they are now running at 5-3-4-2.5@275FSB/3xHT/1T/1:1 timings with 2.85v (pifast, super pi stable along with all benchmarks)...and are able to run 3d marks 01 - 03 - 05 at 5-3-3-2.5@275FSB...

I have yet to see any Pats come close to what the Skills run, especially after a few weeks when they tend to settle in...

To be honest...if you do not plan on upgrading to a A64 system...then TCCD's are not the best choice for the NF2...BH5's would be a better setup to run on a NF2...

thegreek · Jan 28, 2005

I would recommend the G.Skill 4400 LE's. I heard nothing but good things from them.

WalMart4Life · Jan 28, 2005

i use G skill their really kick *** but if you want to go cheaper go for Patriot

cuda70383 · Jan 28, 2005

afaik, the nf7 can't use the headroom of anything higher than 3500 ram. a good set of 3200 or 3500 is all you need. the newer memory, at least when i was shopping, is more optimized for A64 setups and not so much for XP-M cpu's.

case in point is my ballistix memory (which i found out after i purchased) is much better suited for A64 & Intel than for my setup (& like yours).

so when you see somone with sick fsb's on a new A64, that type of memory may not work as well with your XP-M.

look around for what the others are running with a similar setup as your own.

hope this helps.

hawtrawkr · Jan 28, 2005

id recommend the g.skill out of those 2 choices depend on how much you want to spend though.

like cuda70383 mentioned they are more geared towards the a64 side of things but they would be somewhat more future proof if you decided to upgrade to a a64 system with high ht

Rumrunner · Jan 28, 2005

G skill hands down

FSBxtreme · Jan 28, 2005

I vote for G.Skill.

I actually have Patriot XBL PC3200 myself and it's not even close to the specs. 210FSB is the most I can do with 2-2-2-5 with 2.7V(because it works flawlessly at this voltage)

sonicDivx · Jan 28, 2005

Um, I vote for Patriot PC3200 XBLK if cost issue. I get 282 @ 2.5-4-4-10 1T Stable (memtest86+, SuperPi). Check My sig to see what I run. I have see Graphicism on this Board running upto 290 at 2.5-3-3-10 1T.

G.Skill like rob 119 and other said if cost not issue. People on Board seem to have more consistent OC with G.Skill.

rob 119 nice timings with that G.Skill 4400 memory. Not all 4400 can get tight timings like that my CPU would like that.

Rumrunner · Jan 28, 2005

Thnks, I also like not having to throw gobbs of voltage on it.

sonicDivx · Jan 28, 2005

rob,

where did you pick your memory up from? real tempting if I could get those tight timings

Rumrunner · Jan 28, 2005

Got them from Newegg...

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-231-006&depa=0

glock19owner · Jan 29, 2005

sonicDivx said:
rob 119 nice timings with that G.Skill 4400 memory. Not all 4400 can get tight timings like that my CPU would like that.

That is pretty normal for G. Skill's...Dont pay attention to my sig...

Rob is just running the LE's 5Mhz over default with default timings...this really isnt even a OC for G. Skills

...

275-5-3-3-2.5-1T-11 Benchmarks

Rob...give those a few weeks to settle in and then you can probably hit 5-3-4-2.5 stable...and I really wouldnt be suprised to see them running 5-3-3-2.5 stable...

After a few weeks these are running 275/5-3-4-2.5 stable now...highest is 289...

Rumrunner · Jan 29, 2005

I can pass memtest stable at 2.5-3-3-5 1t, but with 2.85 volts. But I just stick to 2.7 volts. I don't mind that difference because is doesn't help my bandwidth. When I better cooling on my cpu, and can hit 295, I'll juice it up.

glock19owner · Jan 29, 2005

If you move up to 10x275 (if your CPU can handle that)...your bandwidth at 10x275 will be better then 9x280...and the 5-3-3-2.5 will make a difference...gained over 300 marks just by going to 5-3-3-2.5 vs. 8-4-4-2.5...

Also...with 2.85...no extra cooling is really needed...dont really need to worry about cooling the memory until about 3v...

glock19owner · Jan 29, 2005

glock19owner said:
If you move up to 10x275 (if your CPU can handle that)...your bandwidth at 10x275 will be better then 9x280...

9x280 5-3-3-2.5

10x275 5-3-3-2.5

Notice the difference just by going from 9 to 10 and dropping in FSB/HT...

Rumrunner · Jan 29, 2005

I didn't realize that cpu multiplier had that much effect on bandwidth. That is a jump there. I can run, 10 X, but I need more volts, and I am scared to run it with stock cooling.

Here is my bandwidth as of now.

glock19owner · Jan 29, 2005

I have been trying to tell people that the multiplier effect the bandwidth on A64's more then what is being said/posted...but finally got around to posting how much of a effect it really does have...

As for trying 2.75Ghz...I really wouldnt until you do get better cooling since it take my 3200 1.65 to run 100% stable 24/7 at 2.78Ghz...any more and my on die memory controller craps out...

If you dont mind loudness but great cooling...might give the cooling setup I have a thought...

XP-90 and 92mm tornado...but I also have some 300+CFM for case system air flow also...this is why I do not hardly see above 45c load at 1.65v...and usally have a system temp of between 19 and 23c...

Do you have a lot of things running in your system tool tray? That seems kind of low for your settings...

TimoneX · Jan 29, 2005

glock19owner said:
9x280 5-3-3-2.5

10x275 5-3-3-2.5

Notice the difference just by going from 9 to 10 and dropping in FSB/HT...

Yeah but 9x280=2520 & 10x275=2750. Naturally the bandwidth is lower it 9x280 since it's 250Mhz lower on the processor. I run at 10x262 btw but primarily because I like cool and quiet and won't give it up.

My bandwidth at 262x10 2.5-3-3-8 is very similar to glock's at 9x280 2.5-3-3-5.

glock19owner · Jan 29, 2005

TimoneX said:
Yeah but 9x280=2520 & 10x275=2750. Naturally the bandwidth is lower it 9x280 since it's 250Mhz lower on the processor.

Thank you...That is exactly what I have been trying to tell people

This still goes into effect about everything being posted that raising/lowering the multiplier and keeping the same timings/fsb has little effect on the memory bandwidth...

Which is what I have been trying to tell people that it will effect the bandwidth because of what you stated...and people have pretty much told me I was nuts for thinking that...

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