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i can't seem to get my gskill 4400LE's (rated to run 2.5-3-3-7) prime stable at 275 1:1 even at 2.85v. but if i loosen them up to 2.5-4-3-7 2.75v prime doesn't error out.
Do you think G.Skill is a little overzealous with their speed ratings? it certainly seems so. now it will run memtest at 275 2.5-3-3-7 but not prime.
9mmCensor
02-05-05, 01:11 PM
Anyone know any G.Skill resellers in Canada?
glock19owner
02-05-05, 01:13 PM
There is no resellers at this time in Canada...
As for Prime...I wouldnt put too much faith in prime...if you can run 3d marks 01 - 03 - 05 and super pi and past pifast...then you are stable...Prime has some issues with some winnies and the memory controller...
Mine wont past prime even when underclocked...no matter what ram...
9mmCensor
02-05-05, 01:21 PM
There is no resellers at this time in Canada...
Darn.
well some of us old schoolers still use and believe in it. i have no problems priming at stock or at 250x9 1:1 1.5v. i'm currently priming at 275x9 1:1, 1.60vcore, 2.75vdimm.
the problem with winnies and the memory controller is pure speculation and extremely random. some saying it pertained to older cpu's. well mine is a 0436XPBW OEM. I'll still argue the fact that if u can't prime for atleast 3+ hours then ur o/c isn't 100% stable. the last thing i want is a BSOD after three hours of gaming. sure lots of guys post screenies of crazy o/c's with sandra benchmarks.
glock19owner
02-05-05, 02:24 PM
well some of us old schoolers still use and believe in it. i have no problems priming at stock or at 250x9 1:1 1.5v. i'm currently priming at 275x9 1:1, 1.60vcore, 2.75vdimm.
the problem with winnies and the memory controller is pure speculation and extremely random. some saying it pertained to older cpu's.
Actually its not...this has been proven at other forums that the memory controller or Prime software is messing up...
Now if going on what you stated...you just said my 3200 is trash since it cant run prime95 at 1.8Ghz...yet I can run every benchmark and game for hours without a single error at 2.78Ghz and can pass memtest up to 300FSB/HT at 8-4-4-2.5...
I understand about old school...been doing this for 20+ yrs...but you also have to remember...that older programs have issues with newer CPU's...if this wasnt the case...then we should all still using win 95 and playing doom3 with the old solitary engine ;)...
Xception
02-05-05, 03:25 PM
I understand about old school...been doing this for 20+ yrs...but you also have to remember...that older programs have issues with newer CPU's...if this wasnt the case...then we should all still using win 95 and playing doom3 with the old solitary engine ;)...
I love old guys. Just like John Wayne toilet paper. Don't take crap off anyone. :) I have to agree with glock I have had prime fail and all other proggys run fine but do like to see prime stable.
My new Gskill LE's wouldn't do 2.5,3,3,7 at 275 at first either but like glock after a week they are doing much much better. In fact I memtested them errror free (single channel) at their spd of 2.5,4,4,8 at 295 and am running them Dual channel now at 285fsb 2.5,4,4,8 with 6300 mb's in Sandra on an Abit 865pe board.
hey, i'm from Missouri...Show Me where it's been Proven and not just Speculated. Real documentation and not a bunch of random posts in a 15 page thread. there's nothing magical about P95, all it does is crunch numbers with a predermined outcome. maybe you had your memory timings too tight at stock speed. could be any number of things.
back to the point, is it possible gskill has been a little overzealous with their speed timings. after all, Who else sells samsung TCCD's or any pc4400 that can run 2.5-3-3 at 275mhz? No One
EvilAerosolCan
02-05-05, 05:34 PM
after all, Who else sells samsung TCCD's or any pc4400 that can run 2.5-3-3 at 275mhz? No One
I'm still new to this, but I think the PCB has to do with how well the memory OC's too.
Dragonprince
02-05-05, 08:22 PM
Anyone know any G.Skill resellers in Canada?
You dont need to buy hi speed ram to use with an A64 anyway. You can run pc3200 cas2.5 medicore ram using the divider and you'll be just as fast as a guy running TCCD 1/1 at 290. The point that everyone seems to be missing with A64 is it's not a P4. Memory bandwidth on A64 is not important after you get to pc3200 levels, its more important to maximize your CPU core speed. Just keep whatever ram you have, run it as fast as possible, then max your CPU while keeping the ram running its fastest using the memory divider. There is no penalty with memory dividers on A64, its not a P4. Using some decent 5-2-2-2 1t memory at 290 with a 5/4 divider (230Mhz) you'll be just as fast as G.Skill running 1/1 at 290.....
glock19owner
02-05-05, 08:51 PM
I'm still new to this, but I think the PCB has to do with how well the memory OC's too.
That is a key point...G. Skill is one of the few companys that redesigned the first PCB brain which helps the chips run at higher and better timings and in some cases at lower voltages...also 1 or 2 (max) out of 10 chips make it too LE standards...and even then some still dont even make the LD standards...
As for the show me...I can not find the thread that had the link to the issues with certain A64's...and a new update was supposed to be in the works...
As for my own proof...the G. SKills have no issues running prime95 on my 2500 barton...yet like I stated above...my 3200 fails even when underclocked...so this is not a memory issue but either a memory controller or software issue...and with more and more people reporting that P95 errors out with winnies...it is point more to software then hardware...I would seriously doubt a few million 939's would be bad without some type of statement or recall from AMD...especially since this seems to be the only software they all fail...
If you still think your G. Skill is the issue(s)...then contact Jack at G. Skills forum...he is very detailed with his answers and might know of any known issues or settings that might have to deal with your issue(s) you are having with them
If I worked for them and had the info they have advailible to them...I would be glad to help you farther...Jack can go in more detail on other questions you might/will have also :)
If you can't hit what it's rated at, that is reason for RMA. I tend to agree with Glock, but if Prime95 is important to you, and you feel you've tried everything and ruled everything out but the memory, RMA the sticks. How do they do in memtest @ 275? When i first got mine, they were a little slow to hit anything over 275, now i've been benching them at 295+ :p
http://www.suckasd.com/computer/fx55/gskillbandwidth.jpg
NinjaZX6R
02-05-05, 09:55 PM
I'd like to add....
I just purchased the LA's which are supposedly the best of the best. They don't do their 300mhz rated speeds. This is NOT because of the sticks though, it is because of my memory controller. Seems that my patriot and these max out at the exact same speed...the g.skill holds tighter timings though. Are you sure it's not your mem controller?
-Collin-
Rumrunner
02-05-05, 10:01 PM
Prime can stress out your mem controller easier than those sticks. Try memtest then see. If you ramped up your dimm voltage, and you still got the same amount of errors, then it your cpu. If you ramped up dimm voltage and got less errors then you can rma those sticks.
well, i'm pretty sure i have a definative answer now. it IS the memory controller. :cry:
memory passes memtest at 275x7 at amazingly 2.65v
prime fails at 1:1 275x9,275x8 & 275x7 at any vcore and vdimm voltage.
set the mem to max clock of 166/ fsb to 275 and it's been priming for almost two hours now.
do you think a newer processor of the 044x variety will get me to my 275+ 1:1 action?
glock19owner
02-06-05, 01:02 PM
If you think it is your memory controller...run super pi at 32mb and pifast...if it can pass both of those test...then run CPU stability test 6.0...set the option for trouble shooting...and then keep hitting start until the prime test starts to run...if your CPU can handle the prime test...then it is not the memory controller...but P95 that is failing...
Doing this will show you (if your controller truelly isnt bad)...how Prime95 is past its prime with the A64's newer memory controllers...
Thanks dude, i'll use those tools as additional stability testers but i still rely on prime95. there's nothing wrong with the software. just cuz ur +3200 overclocked to 2.75ghz fails prime (almost instantly im sure) doesn't mean it's the program. if it makes you feel better to blame it on the software then that's certainly your prerogative. here's another screenie of a 10h prime session without failure. ;) i'm certain at this point that the mem controller just can't handle the sustained load. thanks!
glock19owner
02-07-05, 06:54 PM
Once again...it fails even when underclocked...so this is not a failed OC or a failed memory controller...and a lot of newer winnies are failing even when set at default...
Also, I can prime for hours on ends with other prime programs...primed for over 19 hours with CPU Test 6.0 running 2.75Ghz...and it runs the same prime test as P95 (just not to the million power)...just dont get paid for it if you do happen to hit a prime number ;)
But if me and a few other thousand people have the same issues...I dont think its just my CPU then ;)...sounds like you might of lucked out...:)
EclipseJP
02-08-05, 07:30 AM
I am getting my LEs today and I will have a run with my 3000+ Winnie 0449GPEW. Now mine is newer but we will see what happens.
Scar, this is a link to a review that talks about some of the same issues being discussed here.
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=5&artpage=953&articID=244
I'm from the old school too and I believe in passing Prime, but it seems that this discssion always ignites a heated controversy. Perhaps, we can just agree to disagree rather than trying to bash the other person into thinking the "correct" way. There should be plenty of room in this forum for an honest disagreement.
Eclipse- I'd like to here how you make out with your new Gskill's as I'm shopping for the same. Take care everyone and chill.
Posidon42
02-08-05, 04:41 PM
I am getting my LEs today and I will have a run with my 3000+ Winnie 0449GPEW. Now mine is newer but we will see what happens.
Where are you guys getting this stuff from? This is the first time I have even heard of this brand.
glock19owner
02-08-05, 04:43 PM
what G. Skill?
newegg has been carring them for months now...was checking them out in nov. before I got my system in Dec.
Hey Posidon, this is the computer biz. One blink and you're out of touch. (And I wanted to buy Corsair? Man, that's so yesterday!:))
Posidon42
02-08-05, 10:07 PM
heh. well I decided it was time to start doing some research as I am planning a major overhaul of my system. Currently, I am planning on ditching 95% of all my current computers so I can gather some cash to get an A64 socket 939 shuttle sff rig. I want moderate overclockability but I want diminuitive dimensions and silence more than anything. Those are more than capable of fitting everything I need with my 9800 pro and I should be set for a while. No PCI express, but that is another year or two off for me anyway.
Anyway...right now I have a 1gig set of Hyperx pc2700. It does ok, but you guys are starting to make me wonder if I should get different/better memory. Is it going to be worth the cost for use in a sff or should I just stick with what I have?
glock19owner
02-08-05, 10:11 PM
Anyway...right now I have a 1gig set of Hyperx pc2700. It does ok, but you guys are starting to make me wonder if I should get different/better memory. Is it going to be worth the cost for use in a sff or should I just stick with what I have?
I personally think it will be worth it...read sig for my LC specs...
killerkid
02-08-05, 10:21 PM
what about the LA's, are they the best?
Posidon, I have two sets of 2X256 HyperX. The older set from my xp2500 dual channel system bombed on my new msi board. My recently purchased ones did okay, but they only OC to 226mhz. There are chips out there like the Gskill 4400LE that will clock to over 300mhz. Needless to say I'm shopping for some new ram. Also, don't be fooled by Kingston's tccd HyperX 3200ULK (2X512) as it seems that it can't keep up in the fast lane.
glock19owner
02-08-05, 10:33 PM
Posidon, I have two sets of 2X256 HyperX. The older set from my xp2500 dual channel system bombed on my new msi board. My recently purchased ones did okay, but they only OC to 226mhz. There are chips out there like the Gskill 4400LE that will clock to over 300mhz. Needless to say I'm shopping for some new ram. Also, don't be fooled by Kingston's tccd HyperX 3200ULK (2X512) as it seems that it can't keep up in the fast lane.
There is more then just the 431 TCCD's out...and odds are it did not have the 431 chips but probably the 437's which do not OC very well...Plus people ahve to look more then just the chips...the PCB makes a big difference...the brain PCB is what is helping the 431 and 440 TCCD chips attain high and tight timings while other makers that dont use the brain PCB with there TCCD chips can not attain the high FSB and timings like G. Skill and OCZ...
what about the LA's, are they the best?
LA best 512 DC
LE best 1G DC
LA 1G DC kits are 2T rated
LA 512 DC kits are 1T rated
killerkid
02-08-05, 10:46 PM
so the best ram for 1gi is le, not la??
glock19owner
02-08-05, 10:46 PM
so the best ram for 1gi is le, not la??
Correct
Yes Glock, you are right about the brainpower pcb, but in the case of the HyperX 3200ULK it reportedly has it and still can't keep up. Corsair announced a switch to Brainpower pcb late last year, but who knows how much stock of the old stuff is still out there. I have heard good things about the crucial ballistics and of course unlike most companies they really manufacture ram themselves.
glock19owner
02-08-05, 11:10 PM
Yes Glock, you are right about the brainpower pcb, but in the case of the HyperX 3200ULK it reportedly has it and still can't keep up. Corsair announced a switch to Brainpower pcb late last year, but who knows how much stock of the old stuff is still out there. I have heard good things about the crucial ballistics and of course unlike most companies they really manufacture ram themselves.
Ok...sorry...thought you meant all TCCD's...not the Kingstons...my fault...
No problem Glock. No apology needed, just send cash! :) (Hey, I need some new ram)
glock19owner
02-08-05, 11:31 PM
No problem Glock. No apology needed, just send cash! :) (Hey, I need some new ram)
lol...nice one :thup:
azianese
02-09-05, 01:30 AM
Correct
does the LE really do better than the LA in 1 gb kits? It definitely costs $50 more for the LA and I thought that they could potentially go up to 300 at 1T anyways.
glock19owner
02-09-05, 01:39 AM
Some people have hit 1T...but not with a high OC (310 to 315 seems to be about average...while the 512 DC tend to OC past 350 (DDR700))...IMO...its not worth the extra money over the LE's...
killerkid
02-09-05, 06:03 AM
can the LA's atleast match the LE's in 1gb? Newegg apparently wont have the LE's instock until the 13th now...im so tired of waiting.
killerkid
02-09-05, 07:44 AM
...and now the LA's are also out of stock....rah, i need new ram asap.
Posidon42
02-10-05, 08:12 AM
darn newegg and their games!! I put myself on the auto-notify list for the LE's and when I checked them this morning they were already out of stock. And is it just me, or does it seem that neweggs site is getting a bit slow?
I think it's because they are selling the GSkill as fast as they get them. I was originally going to get the corsair 4400's at zipzoomfly for $269 with shipping and I might still do it. They are tccd on brainpower pcb as well. They are rated slower, but corsair is coservative about ratings.
PineappleMonkey
02-11-05, 12:32 AM
Newegg has the LE's in stock :) I just bought mine *yay*
Artimus20
02-11-05, 09:37 AM
Anyone know any G.Skill resellers in Canada?
the only way i can find to get them in Canada so far is here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44938&item=6741808509&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V
but, you have to pay $23.01 US shipping + $3.42 US insurance for a grand total of $288.42 US, approx. $357.64 CND. yikes! i want them, but not that bad...
Capt_Caveman
02-11-05, 11:08 AM
Going to pull the trigger on some LEs before newegg sells out again. Now, G.Skill doesn't use heatspreaders on their memory modules. And I know most people believe they could do more harm than good. Would purchasing some RAM heatsinks instead be a good idea to help in cooling?
the only way i can find to get them in Canada so far is here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44938&item=6741808509&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V
but, you have to pay $23.01 US shipping + $3.42 US insurance for a grand total of $288.42 US, approx. $357.64 CND. yikes! i want them, but not that bad...
You're right and they are LD's which are the slowest ones they make. Why not get the Corsair 4400's? They have gotten good reviews and obviously it's a good company.
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