Ati X950xt

[9mmCensor]

http://www.driverheaven.net/showpost.php?p=558515&postcount=20

Not too shabby.

[bobmanfoo]

nice! can't wait till the next generation ati cards come out and what ATI SLI has to offer with the new chipsets

[Overclocker550]

I saved pic to desktop in case ati takes it down. boy I bet whoever started the pic is gonna face ati's wrath, probably be fired and sued :( It could be a friend of someone that works that said "can I game for a few min on your new rig" then saw he had a san diago fx57(2.8GHz!) and x950xt then quickly took this screenshot. 750/900 clocks o wow! The x950xt driver date is from feb 8 so its only 2 weeks old as of this post im typing! I cant find where it says how many pipes but it says 24 clipping planes and 32 textures in single pass, could this be 32 pipes? we got the following:

750/900 clocks(unless overclocked but still.....)
512mb video memory(may be 256mb versons for cheaper)
x950xt name(expect possible x950pro and x900pro/xt too)
32 pipes possible, even likley with x950xt! x950pro may be 24.
I remember like 2 months ago some dude who says he worked for ati posted anonymously in a different message board and he leaked specs saying 32 pipes for x900xt, 24 for x900pro. He said he wasnt sure of clocks but said we were testing prototypes at around 600 core, 700MHz ram(final versons did have higher clocks unless he overclocked the x950xt, but 900MHz ram? good god, double good god if thats stock!!!!!!)

[mattspalace]

Ya know what I wish?? I wish these companies would make three cards:

1. The cream of the crop
2. a 'best bang for your buck'
3. a card for the 'regular consumer'

Here's an idea. Have an XT, Pro and plain, i.e. x800xt, x800pro, x800. But no, we've got some six different variations of the X850.. why?

All these different names and such is really nothing but a pain in the azz to most people.

Oh here's another idea... When you release card, actually make sure that retailers have them so we, the consumer, don't get gouged!

[Sentential]

hmmm pretty sure in the next post he said he faked it.

[9mmCensor]

a san diago fx57(2.8GHz!)
I dont think its a FX57. Look at the filename...

[Overclocker550]

4200+ runs 2.6GHz, not 2.8 he probably made a mistake and its really a fx57. x950xt sounds reasonable

[mattspalace]

That memory clock sux for GDDR3, although it 'could' be 512mb. I'd rather have 256mb with 1100+ memory clock myself..

[bobmanfoo]

That memory clock sux for GDDR3, although it 'could' be 512mb. I'd rather have 256mb with 1100+ memory clock myself..
lol, no no no, thats 900mhz x 2 = 1800mhz effective :)

as for the CPU, don't know what the name of it is but i has to be a new core, it supports SSE3

[mattspalace]

nu uh!! GET OUT!! (seinfeld)... holy cow man! So 1.1ns memory is coming out?!?!

[bobmanfoo]

i think it could very well be a 32pipe card, compare the specs to my x850 :eek:

[bobmanfoo]

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[Overclocker550]

wow that x950xt has 24 clipping panes and much more of everything else too! Probably 32 pipes and at least 8 vertex shaders, maybe even 10!

[El<(')>Maxi]

Well if ATI comes thru on this bad baby then I think you can pretty much kiss SLI goodbye....

Gee what a shame that would be;)

[mattspalace]

Yeah bet it would a ~$1000 too considering those specs and what the x850 is right now. But hey, I'll be an optimist and hope for a $399 hot deal. :D

[Sentential]

Ok sorry folks... but I take this moment to remild ya'll including mself. for flaming and doubting OC550. Once agian just like last time he's right on the mark

[BioTuned]

check out the picture. his cpu is a 64-bit cpu. but look at the line below it. it has architecture = 32-bit

this has to be a fake.

[Overclocker550]

Then in this case id like to see what its showing for others, anyone? If it shows as 32 bits too when someone else takes the screenshot then its real. If he was gonna fake it, he probably took a screenshot of a real one and just changed the gpu, why would he change the cpu

[Avg]

check out the picture. his cpu is a 64-bit cpu. but look at the line below it. it has architecture = 32-bit

this has to be a fake.

It could be because it's running in 32bit mode, a athlon 64 doesn't necessarily run at 64bit, it can also run at 32bit that's what's so great about it's 64bitness.

[krag]

Well if ATI comes thru on this bad baby then I think you can pretty much kiss SLI goodbye....

Gee what a shame that would be;)

Daaaaaang it! I knew I should of held out for the new ATI offering! Alas, I have the OC forums syndrome...faster, better, newer, gotta have it right now. I'm stuck with my SLI Ultras. Man that just sucks!!! ;)

[bobmanfoo]

Then in this case id like to see what its showing for others, anyone? If it shows as 32 bits too when someone else takes the screenshot then its real. If he was gonna fake it, he probably took a screenshot of a real one and just changed the gpu, why would he change the cpu

It could be because it's running in 32bit mode, a athlon 64 doesn't necessarily run at 64bit, it can also run at 32bit that's what's so great about it's 64bitness.

running in Windows XP:

[Avg]

running in Windows XP:

Interesting!!

[jokers_greg]

umm guys, thats simply a whole lot of time spent infront of photoshop lol

[t_biggs]

So it just mis-reported the Sempron 4000+ as an Athlon 64. ;)

[Aphex_Tom_9]

umm guys, thats simply a whole lot of time spent infront of photoshop lol
eh, probably not too long...
if you have the font and some skill it can be done pretty simply

[bobmanfoo]

what are the chances of someone getting a hold of a venice/sandiego chip and an r520?

[Overclocker550]

If he was gonna photoshop, why would he make such a dumb mistake? I still think its got a pretty good chance to be real. That x950xt looks to be one amazing card

[Quailane]

That is 100% fake. If it was real, why couldn't he link to the info on futuremark's online result browser? That is so fake it is not even funny. This guy is using technologies in the processor and graphics card that are a long way off. The 90nm SOI chip could be real, as AMD is preparing to release in the near term, but what are the chances this guy has one of those so long before it is out and also a video card that doesn't exist yet?

The guy who posted the pic also said, "Like this load of crap?"

[waddupmm]

When I 1st saw the specs I was exited.. Than my excitement soon died down when I thought about how much this card is going to cost and Im really not looking to spend 1k on a vid card :(

[bobmanfoo]

who said its going to be 1k?

[waddupmm]

Just a wild guess, itll def be in the 800 dollars range though and thats almost the price of two 6800gt's

[bobmanfoo]

you'll never know till they come out, im guessing they will be in the 5-600$ range, and the x850 and x800 series prices will drop

[waddupmm]

Well I could be wrong dont get me wrong Im no mrs. cleo (lol) but the highest price x850xtpe is 754 according to newegg and with the new specs I was just making a guess on what they would be 500-600 would be excellant though :)

[bobmanfoo]

hmm i got my x850xtpe for $525 :)

[waddupmm]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-121-532&depa=1 =/

[stang8118]

If the driver was early febuary then how would the driver recognize it as a x950xt? Wouldn't it be some beta driver that only ATI has? Because i know older drivers wouldn't work at all with my old 6600gt (even early 6x.xx drivers)....

This is definatly a fake ^_^

[bobmanfoo]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-121-532&depa=1 =/
well of course that one is expensive, its an Asus and its retail

[felinusz]

Did any of you, whom have commented on this picture, actually read the entire thread that was linked up?

Please tell me that you didn't all look only at that single post/picture and believe it? :-/

A single post like that, with no context (such as, the rest of the poster's comments), is meaningless!

Here are the rest of the posters comments on the picture, which make it clear that he feels the picture is highly questionable:


Judas, DriverHeaven.net forums

Like this load of crap?

{PICTURE}

Judas, DriverHeaven.net forums

Like i said.... someone can open up 3dmark03 or 05 and fiddle with the SI.xml..... change the names and values....

btw... i thought the FX line had more cache?

isn't that a 64 bit 4200+?

Judas, DriverHeaven.net forums

@ 200.7mhz FSB.... that's pressicely 14x multiplier......

I thought it was a 4200+ 64 1mb cache cpu...... maybe it is a FX57.....

I doubt if someone was testing a x950xt would overclock thier cpu as it would just ask for problems. In any case... i wouldn't beleive the above....

GazC, DriverHeaven.net forums

FX chips have their multipliers fully unlocked. An FX-55 is easily capable of doing 2.8Ghz at stock volts. Out of interest, if I down clock to 2.8Ghz and check the CPU in Sandra it gives a PR rating of 4200, more or less. I think that the CPU speed is a red herring that is easily obtainable with any FX-55s and nearly all FX-53s

Judas, DriverHeaven.net forums

hmm... i thought that in 3dmark03 or 05.... the system info would state FX in the cpu info area......


I have bolded the relevant parts, which clearly indicate that the poster believes this picture to be fake.

And here is a link to the thread on the DriverHeaven.net forums, where you can all read the entire conversation, taking that picture in context with the rest of the discussion:

http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=68471&page=2&pp=15

[deception``]

Thanks for the information felinusz. Once again, it seems as if individuals are jumping the gun, making wild assumptions based on nothing more than a easily manipulatible screenshot.

deception``

[T1Cybernetic]

It makes for a decent discussion! and fake or not it brings inspiration for the future!

[bobmanfoo]

i don't pay too much attention to these things, ill believe it when i see it, or until it comes from a KNOWN and trusted source

[OldOne]

Well if ATI comes thru on this bad baby then I think you can pretty much kiss SLI goodbye....

Gee what a shame that would be;)


Why wouldnt ATI offer that card in pci to run in sli. They are comming out with a SLI board.It might take half of my $5000 for upgrades to buy two.I bought two 6600GTs untill I see where the next generation cards go.I can only hope :D

[The Coolest]

If you look at that picture, it says that the CPU has support for SSE3, and SSE3 will only be abailable on E stepping 90nm chips, and that means its a San Diego, unless ofcourse that whole picture is just fake.

[felinusz]

It makes for a decent discussion! and fake or not it brings inspiration for the future!

I agree with you all the way, I am not trying to rain on the discussion, far from it - I am glad that this picture was posted here :).

However, when people commenting on the picture have not read the entire thread that it was posted in, and are taking the picture completely out of context, I get upset at the fact that many people are being deceived, and taking the picture content the wrong way, because only a singe post was linked instead of the entire discussion.



Summed up:

This picture is not proof.

[Overclocker550]

maybe so but as the days go by, more and more about the x950xt gets leaked, some of it true info. Either way, it looks like its gonna be one heck of a card :D

[sean478]

on my athlon 64 wincestor in winxp32 it comes up as 64 bit this is a fake but it inspires u to wander about the x950xt

[El<(')>Maxi]

Daaaaaang it! I knew I should of held out for the new ATI offering! Alas, I have the OC forums syndrome...faster, better, newer, gotta have it right now. I'm stuck with my SLI Ultras. Man that just sucks!!! ;)

I know, I have that affliction also. The funny part is that as soon as you get the goodies in your hot little hands, someone says something about it being obsolete:D

Which reminds me, I need to post a bunch of stuff in the classifieds;)

[felinusz]

Overclocker550

maybe so but as the days go by, more and more about the x950xt gets leaked, some of it true info. Either way, it looks like its gonna be one heck of a card

I have yet to see any reliable 'leaked information' about these video cards.

Sure, some of the 'leaked information' is believable, but that does not make it correct!



Explained through an example:


I could easily register at a hardware forum, and start a thread there, telling everyone that I was an ATi insider. I could then report to everyone at that forum, that the new cards will all use a purple coloured PCB. Many people might believe me, if I made a good and convincing pitch.

Is it believeable? Sure it is! An 'ATi insider' just leaked the purple PCB secret out to the world!

But, just because the information is believeable, does not make it correct, or reliable!

Any skilled writer/convincer with a computer, and an internet connection, could do this.



I hate to seem like a big party-pooping skeptic, but I simply do not trust the 'sources' (unnamed) of the 'leaked information' that we currently have available to us (clearly fake screenshots, and sketchy specifications).

[Overclocker550]

Ok guys, this could be good, I was reading other forums and came across this. He says he used to work for ati till to 4-5 months ago so his info is about that old. The pipe thing sounds reasonable, I remember there were rumors of 12 pipes of r420 which few believed, not only did it come with 12, but there was an xt verson with 16. I think history will repeat itself. As for core clocks, I am hearing 700-750 now but ati can change those up till the time they begin speed binning depending on yields. I remember they were aiming for 500MHz on x700xt but changed their minds and went with 475 due to bad yields then decided to cancel x700xt in favor of x800 and the few x700xt they made got remarked as pros. No use arguing over r520 core, even if its "only" 650MHz its still beyond fast. The ram sounds quite insane but truth is itll probably be NEEDED in order to feed a hungry fast core with 24,32 pipes. Less bandwith would be a dire bottleneck. Some people are saying r520 will be nothing more than dual or amr x850s but thats wrong cause x850s dont have ps3, why would ati go with this? Their goal is to finally have ps3 and I pretty much doubt they will change the x850xt core just to add ps3 and its still on 130nm too. I give that guy confirming the specs alot of credit. This is also in line from the guy who hit 40k on a 4.3ee p4 and a *stock* r520. on an x850xt the score would be around 33k. Yes this tells me the nature would just be insane and gives me a good idea of the r520s power in everything. Lastly, 512mb ram is a reality, even the x850xt is comming in 512mb flavors. There might be 256mb flavors of r520, even if its only on the non PE verson.

Well those who know me know I used to work for ATi up until last October. Now I'm not going to tell you what's true and what's not true seeing as even us employee's are pretty much kept in the dark but I do know this.. I'll leave you with what's true.. and remove what's false.

24 "Pipelines" (24x1 not 24x1.5 but supports up to 32x1)
96 Arithmetic Logic Units (ALU)
192 Shader Operations per Cycle (UNKNOWN)
700MHz Core(actually last we heard it was in the high 600's)
256-bit 512MB 1.8GHz GDDR3 Memory (yes that's the memory)
57.6 GB/sec Bandwidth (at 1.8GHz)
300-350 Million Transistors
90nm Manufacturing
Shader Model 3.0
ATI HyperMemory (the core will support Hypermemory which probably will only be used in the lower end versions of the core).
ATI Multi Rendering Technology (AMR)
Launch: Q2 2005 (closer to June)
FP32 blending, texturing
Programmable Primitive Processor/Tesselator (not entirely true but will support Truform in hardware).

It's basically an R420 derivative (R3xx) with addons. It was brought back to the drawing board.

[Overclocker550]

It will have 24 and possibily 32 for the "xt" verson that may be released as a refresh or even at the same time as the pro. I was checking another forum and another "ati worker" said he highly doubts 750MHz or even 700MHz core and instead agrees with the high 600, says even with 90nm itll be too hot for 700MHz and yields too low.

700MHz Core(actually last we heard it was in the high 600's) <------probably accurate. We may see overclocks to 700-750 with 3rd party beefy air cooling though. 650-680 sounds reasonable

[Vrykyl]

gahhhh! Enough with the speculation!

[Overclocker550]

then stay out of my thread! anyway I doubt itll come 700MHz core stock, another dude who works for ati said heat and yield would make 700MHz iffy. Expect more like 650MHz to be realistic. Not that it matters much, todays cpus are way too big a bottleneck and also without 512 bit ram, thats another bottleneck for a hungry 32 pipe, 650MHz gpu with too slow ram that cant keep it fed.

[Jotolicious]

so this X950XT is the r520 right?

[Overclocker550]

speculation has it named x950xt but anything goes till its officially released. I am most curious how itll do in all three 3dmarks, especially 2001! What kind of insane nature would it pull? would it be as fast in the other tests vs. x800s?

[Smokey21]

Can anyone say gullible idiots? I sure can. ;)

[Overclocker550]

anyone else have news?

[Quattro]

Ok sorry folks... but I take this moment to remild ya'll including mself. for flaming and doubting OC550. Once agian just like last time he's right on the mark

Agreed.. I think I might have moaning at OC550 a long time ago when we all first began speculation about the new r520 core.

But it turns out I was wrong and he was right, so in the future I shall have no choice to believe him.
Aslong as he doesn't get all big headed about it.

[jcw122]

man im really tired of seeing ATI and nVidia upping their clock speeds...all its resulting in is massive insano heat....they NEED to do something about it sooner or later somehow.

[bobmanfoo]

im still sceptical of this card, wasn't this card supposed to be released soon? i don't see this card coming out till at least next year sometime

[hkh]

I believe it is coming out this year in the spring time maybe ATI will show it off at cebit.

[Overclocker550]

when is cebit? May? June? I did hear from some ex-ati worker, he used to work for ati and said theres plans to have it released probably in early June

[Jacobman]

That would be great if this card came out this year, then alot of us might be able to score and an x800xtpe card for cheapo.

[blinky2183]

seems fake

[bobmanfoo]

when is cebit? May? June? I did hear from some ex-ati worker, he used to work for ati and said theres plans to have it released probably in early June
ill bet my entire rig that this wonder card won't be coming out this summer

[Overclocker550]

You may be right, but NDA will expire before that and we will see reviews and a paper launch. People will scramble to pre order but wait months before they physically own it. I dont really care since I have no need for one of those or even an x800xt, I dont use aa/af in games, I dont game that much, im not a hardcore gamer and finally, todays cpus are far behind gpu technology wise. We are just interested in seeing what r520 is made off and how it does in reviews

[Smokey21]

Just heard news of a Radeon X1000 PE off the inquiror. It's gonna have 64 pipes, and have 1 gig of memory, due for release tomorrow.

[waddupmm]

Smokey your a moron

[dark_15]

Just heard news of a Radeon X1000 PE off the inquiror. It's gonna have 64 pipes, and have 1 gig of memory, due for release tomorrow.
Smokey your a moron


Now both of you... was that REALLY necessary? Both of you chill out... I don't want to see this thread locked.

[waddupmm]

Thats the 2nd idiotic post hes made in this thread, and its not as big of a deal as your making it seem =/