View Full Version : where to find GSkill PC4400LE? 2x512
I've looked at all the online retailers I know of and can't find it in stock anywhere. Anyone know any retailers that have it in stock?
I'm not looking to wait too long if none have them in stock, so can anyone recommend a decent replacement? The patriot tccd is out of stock at newegg as well. I'm looking to overclock but don't plan on feeding the voltage required by BH5 and the like.
Thanks
glock19owner
02-28-05, 02:53 PM
The Skills LC is the next best thing for 1G kits...
See sig...
hawtrawkr
02-28-05, 03:13 PM
newegg has some 2x512mb g.skill pc3200/5000 la available its like 25$ more than the le.
thanks, i think i'm gonna go with the LC, seems almost as good
or what about these? http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-141-139&depa=1
$180 is pretty enticing, and other threads have said they are also TCCD
Here are the other retailers I am aware of who sell Gskill.
http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productlist.asp?linkid=107&submit=property&store=7
http://store.yahoo.com/digi4me/ddrpc518dime.html
glock19owner
02-28-05, 08:03 PM
newegg has some 2x512mb g.skill pc3200/5000 la available its like 25$ more than the le.
Those 1G LA's are 2T rated and are far less as good as the LE's or LC's...
The 2x256 LA's are the ones that are 1T rated and have been known to run at DDR700+ with 2.9v
LE's are the best 1G DC Skills
LA's are the best 512DC Skills
Also with PQI...they are a hit or miss...you might get TCCD's or Hynix or Inf...their is no telling what you get until you get them in hand...at least with the LA, LC, and LE's they are all guaranteed to be TCCD's...
nightic
03-01-05, 01:38 AM
Those 1G LA's are 2T rated and are far less as good as the LE's or LC's...
Let's not needlessly perpetuate this assumption.
The LAs may be 2T rated but it seems this was undertaken by GSkill more as a measure to prevent disappointment to LA owners with motherboards not entirely happy with 300MHz 1T running.
Certainly on the DFI NF4 boards 300MHz 1T is a possibility and is rather common.
My own 2x 512MB sticks are entirely stable and memtest error free at over 300MHz 1T 2.5/4/3/8 2.8V.
glock19owner
03-01-05, 01:48 AM
This is not a "assumption." as you put it...
Very few of them will run at 1T at 300HT and even then will not do much past 300...even G. Skill reps states this...the LA 512 kit on hand will do well past 300ht at 1t...and have been known to run up to and past DDR700 at 1T...
G. Skill also states
LE = best 1G Kit
LA = best 512 Kit...
nightic
03-01-05, 02:17 AM
Very few of them will run at 1T at 300HT and even then will not do much past 300...even G. Skill reps states this...
Sorry, but this is just not the case, I know at least 2 other users running 2 x 512MB of LA on DFI NF4 motherboards and they're in the same ballpark as me, just over 300MHz 1T.
If there's any disadvantage to using the LA over the LE it's that it doesn't do as well when using 2.5/3/3 timings.
If you take a look over on the GSkill forums, in a thread you have posted in (you even linked to an XS member doing over 300MHz 1T with his 1GB LA!), you will notice 'Jack' reassure users about the 300MHz 1/2T issue:
In the DFI_NF4 AND MSI_NF4.
It is easy DDR600 1T Command.
In the DFI_NF3 AND MSI_NF3(neo2).
It is impossible DDR600 1T Command.
For the nf3 chipset,It is difficult to reach DDR600 1T.
If you have engineer-edition board, it is powerful.
The important is layout that nf4 has made big progress in layout message.
Like my many user use LC can easy DDR600 1T in dfi_nf4 chipset.
Strong board is very important.
G. Skill also states
LE = best 1G Kit
LA = best 512 Kit...
Note that the GSkill rep indicated the above when the 1GB LA kits where extremely thin on the ground, even impossible to get in the USA at the time.
If you're going to state that the 1GB LA won't do 300MHz at anything other than 2T then you might as well say the LE tops out at 275MHz 1T.
glock19owner
03-01-05, 02:30 AM
If you're going to state that the 1GB LA won't do 300MHz at anything other than 2T then you might as well say the LE tops out at 275MHz 1T.
If quoting what I say...then quote word for word...not what you think I said
Very few of them will run at 1T at 300HT and even then will not do much past 300...even G. Skill reps states this...the LA 512 kit on hand will do well past 300ht at 1t...and have been known to run up to and past DDR700 at 1T...
Sorry, but this is just not the case, I know at least 2 other users running 2 x 512MB of LA on DFI NF4 motherboards and they're in the same ballpark as me, just over 300MHz 1T.
Thats 2 out of how many users? And like you stated...just over 300HT...which is what I stated above :rolleyes:
nightic
03-01-05, 02:48 AM
2 other users running in excess of 300MHz 1T on suitable boards (namely NF4) is more than I've seen post that they're struggling to reach that, given enough experience and complimentary hardware.
Feel free to direct me to examples of "very few of them will run at 1T at 300HT".
Moreover you're bandying about the LE>LA assumption without anything firm to support it apart from that the LA 2x 512MB kit is only to be rated for 2T and that a GSkill rep, knowing full well that the 1GB kits of LA was unavailable in the US at the time happened to mention it.
As a user of both LE and LA kits with more incoming this week, I feel that the nature of your posts on the issue serve only to misinform those in search of reliable information.
I would recommend for the sake of readers that before commenting so authoritatively on the topic in future, you either link to examples or show us results of your own testing.
glock19owner
03-01-05, 03:03 AM
2 other users running in excess of 300MHz 1T on suitable boards (namely NF4) is more than I've seen post that they're struggling to reach that, given enough experience and complimentary hardware.
Feel free in particular to direct me to examples of "very few of them will run at 1T at 300HT".
Moreover you're bandying about the LE>LA assumption without anything firm to support it apart from that the LA is only to be rated for 2T and that a GSkill rep, knowing full well that 1GB kits of LA was unavailable in the US at the time happened to mention it.
As a user of both LE and LA kits with more GB kits arriving this week, I feel that the nature of your posts on the issue serve only to misinform those in search of reliable information.
I would recommend for the sake of readers that before commenting so authoritatively on the topic in future, you either link to examples or show us results of your own testing.
How about you actually follow my post and see where I tell people to go talk to Jack and also post G. Skills forum...
And this bring up a total of 4 people that you have running the G. Skill LA 1G setups at 1T...
And if you want results...how about just doing a search for 512 LA's...then compair your 4 people to the many of other people that run the LA 512's at well past 300 HT at 1T...
Then compair the people that run the LE's at past 310 1:1 at 1T compaired to the 1G LA's at 1T...
I honestly dont know WYFP is...but if you want results...its called a search...
Heres OPB with 2x256 LA's
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49234
Windwithme:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48626
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=355509
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=355353 (Epox 9nda3+ Test ddr670 Pass!!!)
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=355253 (G-Skill TCCD DDR600 256MBX2 Again about DDR674 cl3 4-4-8s)
another thread on the LE's
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54186
Heres a quote from a XS member...
LA for 2x256 Mb
LE for 2x512 Mb
Now if I am so wrong about all of this...why not just PM OPB since he is a member here...
It doesnt work trying to put me on the spot :rolleyes:
Anymore request?
nightic
03-01-05, 03:42 AM
How about you actually follow my post and see where I tell people to go talk to Jack and also post G. Skills forum...
I see nowhere in the relevant threads (this & the earlier quoted GSkill forums one) where you mention either of the above.
And if you want results...how about just doing a search for 512 LA's...then compair your 4 people to the many of other people that run the LA 512's at well past 300 HT at 1T...
This is not my area of concern, I'm concerned primarily about the "very few of them will run at 1T at 300HT" statement that you made pertaining to the 1GB kit (for it is only the 1GB LA kit, not the 512MB that is 2T rated).
You'll note that I haven't mentioned the 512MB kits whatsoever, nor were they in the original post.
Then compair the people that run the LE's at past 310 1:1 at 1T compaired to the 1G LA's at 1T...
Did it not occur to you that this might have something to do with the fact that the 1GB LE kits have been available for (much) longer than the LA ones and also at a lower price and so there are likely to be many more of them in circulation?
However, again this is not the point.
I honestly dont know WYFP is...but if you want results...its called a search...
Heres OPB with 2x256 LA's
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49234
Windforme:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48626
another thread on the LE's
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54186
Heres a quote from a XS member...
Yes, all highly relevant I'm sure.
It doesnt work trying to put me on the spot :rolleyes:
I'm not trying to put you or anyone else on the spot, I only ask that as a veteran forum member who's opinions may be viewed as gospel by those less experienced, you back up claims rather than regurgitating unsubstantiated forum chaff.
glock19owner
03-01-05, 04:20 AM
I see nowhere in the relevant threads (this & the earlier quoted GSkill forums one) where you mention either of the above.
You do reallize I have more then 5 post...I have over 4,000 post...so do a search before you think you know what you are saying about...
This is enough of the hijacking since this crap has nothing to do with where to get the LE's...
I have made my point countless times before...once again...this is what the search is for...
And once again...if I am so wrong with what I say...PM OPB and have him correct me...
Especially since where I have gotten most of my information has been from OPB posts at XS...and from PMing Jack at G. Skill's forum...And I was one of the first 100 members at G. Skill's forum
nightic
03-01-05, 04:30 AM
You do reallize I have more then 5 post...I have over 4,000 post...so do a search before you think you know what you are saying about...
Oh, I see, so anytime you comment in a matter-of-fact fashion without links etc, readers should search through your 4000 posts for evidence.
This is enough of the hijacking since this crap has nothing to do with where to get the LE's...
I think it's relevant to posts within this thread.
Regardless, I'll not extend the issue beyond this post unless clarification is required.
I have made my point countless times before...once again...this is what the search is for...
What point is that and did it ever relate to the concern at hand?
In fact, don't answer, you've said what you've said, if readers want to take the comments on faith then it's up to them.
And once again...if I am so wrong with what I say...PM OPB and have him correct me...
Well if this is your defence, I would ask that you allow OPB to make statements regarding this issue, rather than yourself.
Especially since where I have gotten most of my information has been from OPB posts at XS...and from PMing Jack at G. Skill's forum...And I was one of the first 100 members at G. Skill's forum
It's the interpretation of the information that's the problem.
My posts here are not intended to be a personal attack on you or your credentials, apologies if they appear this way but there's enough spurious information disguised as fact in these and most forums that it should not go uncommented on.
http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=3499116&postcount=9 :) the PQI uses either hynix 5d or TCCD.
i would trust glock19owner about the GSkill. he always does his research. and he wasn't wrong about the PQI either :)
hawtrawkr
03-01-05, 04:40 PM
can the hynix do the ddr400 timings the tccd can?
ill let you know how the 512x2 la do on my intel rigs tomorrow. im sure theyll perform better on my a64 either way though.
according to this website corsiar XMS pc4400 use the hynix 5d chips
http://www.legitreviews.com/article.php?aid=83
hawtrawkr
03-01-05, 04:58 PM
bah if i had to base anything off that review id get the g.skill still.
i can run over those speeds with tighter timings and performance mode still enabled. (and i didnt see anything about what timings those could do @ pc3200 speeds so i cant compare timings @ 400mhz to some good tccd)
i think the majority of the problems occur when people dont get the same results on their p4 systems as they do with their a64. the majority of memory makers pushing tccd are testing them on a64 systems which will almost always (at least from what ive seen) get more from the same memory when compared to the intel side of things.
i had 3 sets of pqi turbo 3200 2-2-2-5 when they came out none would do the rated 2-2-2-5 on any of my intel rigs (they would all do roughly 270mhz @ 2.5-4-4-8 though :shrug: ). ive had 2 sets of the g.skill 4400le and they both would do pc3200 speeds @ 2-2-2-5 with 2.5v and alot more with up to 2.7v
the la's i cant compare as they wont arrive until tomorrow though.
not trying to start an argument here or anything but my understanding of how g.skill binned their memory was by performance wouldnt the la binned chips have performed better for them than the le? 256mb of la vs 512mb of la i dont doubt the 256mb will clock higher but ive got to see the 512x2 kit for myself before i can make a final judgement.
Hmmm..I juat ordered PQI Turbo PC4000 at Newegg and they said it's TCCD. If it's not, they will get them back with no restocking fee as they clearly stated they were TCCD. I will not take any crap from any of these companies. You see that chip! That's not tccd, that's my freakin' shoulder! LOL
don't worry, i know the gskill is higher quality. the PQI is for cheap people like me :P
Hmmm..I juat ordered PQI Turbo PC4000 at Newegg and they said it's TCCD. If it's not, they will get them back with no restocking fee as they clearly stated they were TCCD. I will not take any crap from any of these companies. You see that chip! That's not tccd, that's my freakin' shoulder! LOL
this is the PQI4000-1024DP, not the PQI4000-1024DPL. the DPL is TCCD. the DP is either hynix or TCCD. i got lucky and got TCCD :D
If anyone else is wondering, the LEs are in stock now at newegg. I was going to settle for the LCs tonight but checked at the last second and LEs were back in stock $$
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