Very simple water cooling without pump, radiator, reservoir, waterchiller.......

[FuzzyNY]

My design is buy a adapter that attach to home water pipe that can share the cool water and then attach a gate control to control the water flow and then the tube go to water block, and the water water from the water block just go to the sink. It's basically a simply 'open' system that keep using cool water and waste it. Even it waste some water but it save a lot of my power useage from my original design,

700GPH pump 70Watts
Water chiller's peltier 122Watts
1 120mm fan for the chiller 8Watts
1 120mm fan for the raditor 8Watts

Advantages:
1) I save over 200Watts of power
2) saves the money for the extra the parts too
3) it saves space
4)you'll got relativitly constant water temperature for all year long (at least in most US area) too.
5)less fan means less noise (probably)

There are two disadvanges that I can think of as now:
1) You porbably won't bring it to your Lan party unless hold bunch of fellos use this same method...
2) Need to clean the tube and water block once in a awhile maybe?

I am gonna do this tomorrow and post the result I am currently running 1.33 Tbird @ 1.62Ghz 1.93V with SK6 and Delta

Comment/Advice please:)


Fuzz

[Pablissimo]

Couldn't do that in the UK, Water Meters don't you know =(((

[Taylor]

Where I live water too precious to waste like that.

[Punk]

Here's another disadvantage - what if the water to your area had to be turned off unexpectedly, by the city or whoever to repair water pipes or something, then what? u will probably have a fried CPU on your hands.

[The Overclocker]

i could just see my water bill now, ouch

[FuzzyNY]

I tried with a little refrg water kit but it doesn't work so well, I guess because the water flow is too slow, I can try adapt the water from a regular tap out but too much trouble for that, , I am now consider a bottled water cooler


in my case I live in this area for like 5 years and never experience water outage:) and the water is sort of like free :p











Fuzz

[mEKbOY]

Please dont do that. Thats a complete waste of water than some countrys could use. I Hope you find a better way to get effiecent water cooling. Not only that i can imagine all the corrosion the tap water is gonna cuase.:eek:

[FuzzyNY]

I gonna switch to bottled water cooler:).. actually the water folw was very very slow, I think not even 1/4 g min, anyway you are right it's doesn't feel very good when you see the water just waste to sink:cool:




Fuzz

[Warlord2]

in bakersfield water is CHEAP

and in most cases they just make you pay a monthly fee and dont even look at the meters

wasting water?

look at how much water we use for watering our lawn?
just maybe set the time back 5 mins and you wouldnt see a difference in water bills


I can fill up my pool and they only add maybe $5's at the end of the month

but I realize some countries like Los Angiles has expensive water so I wouldnt do it there......

[mEKbOY]

Or how about a place like africa where some people die do to a lack of water. Man you people are so inconsiderate.. I would go to bed feeling aweful knowing i was wasting that much water for a few more mhz.:mad:

[FuzzyNY]

I think this is rather emotional than realistical, I mean how the hell little water save can benfit to Africa? be cool man that what the forum is about:p




Fuzz

[Taylor]

Originally posted by Warlord2
in bakersfield water is CHEAP



Yes, until Nevada decides to raise the price...or am I mistaken about the source for you? down here it's all from the colorado river.

[Taylor]

I never said water was expensive! I said it's precious. I think watering a lawn is wasteful. I think people should landscape with native species which won't need extra water.

But I never intended any hostility. Go ahead, run your constant-purge system, you're not the first nor the last.

Now I've got some Yellowfin Tuna to go chase! Fold On Brother!

[ve6jhc]

Some things wrong with your idea -

1)wasting water is lame
2)the hassle of tripping over the hoses all the time unless your computer is right beside the sink then the noise will drive you nuts (Chinese water torture)
3)If you leave your system on for long periods of time you will use mega water (see point #1) and if the water is shut off your CPU is dead.
4)Can't use sink/tap
5)System is no longer portable (lan parties)

Why not go with a tower cooling tower? You don't have to have fans for it so you will save the fan power and the water will be used at a much lower rate.

[Big Mike]

I think one of the biggest problems hasn't even been touched, unless your water is nearly mineral free your system will be clogged to death in no time. I work as a fire sprinkler systems designer, I've seen pieces of sprinkler pipe literally eaten away and massively clogged from people using the sprinkler piping to flow water constantly. Granted you'll be using copper or plastic tubing, but i wouldnt be suprised if alot of crud blocks your water block after a short period...

[ve6jhc]

That's a good point. Just think if that happened when you were not around....You would have 1500 gallons in your case and all over your floor....

[r0ckstarbob]

hm

[Gravity Man]

the major problems with this are corrosion (big time), and water pressure, maybe its just because I have a well, but every time you turn on the washing machine or dishwasher the water pressure drops significantly, as for wasting water, it eventually finds its way right back into the ground water anyway, so I don't see what effect it will have on the world

[SteenkyBastage]

yeah, no big deal, that's only 11,160 gallons a month you'd be wasting. where i live that's definitely gonna run you more than 5 bucks.

i'd be concerned someone puts something heavy on the tube and stops your waterflow, the water company shuts off your service (cause you forgot to pay one month and you're way over their credit limit), or the constant annyong noise that running watter makes.

on the other hand, my last appartment covered the water bill, so i guess some people may be able to get by with that.

maybe you could get the local water company to put water wetter in their entire water supply and you wouldn't have to worry about corrosion...?

oh, hope you dont have kids around your place...i can see someone turning on the HOT water on that faucet, hahaha.

[JetMech]

Originally posted by Taylor
I never said water was expensive! I said it's precious. I think watering a lawn is wasteful. I think people should landscape with native species which won't need extra water.

But I never intended any hostility. Go ahead, run your constant-purge system, you're not the first nor the last.

Now I've got some Yellowfin Tuna to go chase! Fold On Brother! I don,t think you were the one he was responding to. He was wondering as was I what wasting water in USA has to do with the amount of water in Africa? If a person doesn't like the subject so much that he must flame he is out of control and deserves activation of the ignore button. No one likes to see this:mad: in a response to his post.

[FuzzyNY]

Thanks for clear things up Jet, yes I was response to mEKbOY,

I have mentioned before but didn't cover all the points that everyone made but I have to say again this kind of water cooling is NOT for everybody, it is reasonable for my own sitiution:

1) The kit I use is refigrator water sharing kit(sorry my bad eng.), it uses a very very low water flow, 1/8 tube and probably... 0.25GPM OR even less....let say it's is o.25... 0.25x60 = 15GPH, and I use this PC at most 5 hrs a day so, 15x5x30 = 2250G per month

2) I waste some water but I save electric power also, in my case 200Watts/hr, ... 200X5X30 = 30000Watts per month, now I have difficlut time to compare water saving and electric enegry saving that affect the envirnment

3) I live in an pretty big apartment complex which(I think) 8 household share the same meter and there is no charge for the water (include in the rent)

4) Due to the slow water flow and I run the pipe/tube ~10 feets
away from the source, it's extemly quite! I can say NO noise that make from this watercooling that I can hear!

5) I mainly use it for my gaming PC so and I installed a water control gate, therefore
- I am not turn the computer/water gate on all the time.
- If the water get turnoff, the CPU wouldn't burn because
I am right in front of my PC, it'll just crash and need
reboot.
- I've never experinece water cutoff since I lived here

5) I don't go to LAN party

***The only problem for my situition is cleaning the water block, but I believe there must be some way to slove this***

In my opinion this method is not for somebody

1) For some area water is very... how do I say.. you got the idea
2) Home has water meter and will charge extra for the water
3) Go to lan party with that PC
4) Leave the computer on all the time/ Hosting server


Comments welcome!:)



My 2 cents

Fuzz

[dugans]

From a technical view:
You already have pressure reduction planned
consideration for loss of flow is planned
water waste is relatively minimal (know how much a running toilet can waste in a year?!)

Cleaning of water block/lines is an issue:
some areas are better than others, but no matter where you are, tap water will clog up the block sooner or later. You could install a filter setup to HELP alleviate the problem, but it won't stop it completely.

I think it's an interesting idea, but in practice I think it would get old soon!

Hey, thats what modding is about, right? trying something out to see how it works? (and if it looks cool!)

Good luck

[Gabertooth]

Mekboy,
Don't give me that inconsiderate crap. It's just the same as saying since I get steaks and grill every friday that I am being a bad person for enjoying it. Excess is what being part of the civilized world is about. I guess that's what alot of the other parts of the world hate us (exempli gratia: Afghanistan). Why do you say these knee jerk reactions? It's the hallmark of a liberal to go with his gut and not his mind, and we know what years of liberal politics have done to ths world, good God!

-Gabertooth



Originally posted by mEKbOY
Or how about a place like africa where some people die do to a lack of water. Man you people are so inconsiderate.. I would go to bed feeling aweful knowing i was wasting that much water for a few more mhz.:mad:

[SteenkyBastage]

i honestly dont think the watersupply in africa will be at all changed if EVERY person on these boards did the same thingwith running water.

i still do, however, think it's a waste. we all pay for it in the long run. if half your town started doing the same thing with their water (wasteing 2500 gallons a month) i'd be willing to put money on a big hike in waterbills for the entire town. the town has now got to purify/clean (whatever your town has to do to get good drinking water) all that much more and is gonna charge for it.

but one person doing it aint gonna make a difference. just like one person saving electricity (water, gas...you name it) wont help the shortage.

[r0ckstarbob]

y'all, lets not turn this into a battle of morals or anything. it's been noted that it's a waste of water but it's better on electricity. lets leave it that huh?

[FuzzyNY]

i think some discussion are good, I learn many things from hearing other people opinions:)

I have tried water pump with raditor, put 25 feets water copper tube outside of the window, bottled water cooler and this method, and my experience is this is NOT the best way if you want to cool the cpu as much as possible but it is the simplest and MOST quiet way



Fuzz

[Monaco]

I'm suprised at some of the hostility going on in here! Whoa, lot of passion about watercooling. Just needs direction. :D

Ok I'll let you in on my little secret. The perfect reservoir is the tank on your toilet. Honestly. And no more worries about water waste.

-It's already run through your water softener, if you have one. I think it is anyway, I'll have to check it.
-It's made of ceramics and tends to keep it's contents a few degrees below ambient.
-It's frickin huge, so takes a long time to heat up.
-It is constantly cycling with fresh water. That's why your toilet sometimes makes noise when you are not using it.
-at every use, the heated water is completely replaced with fresh, cool water.

Bam. Simple, effecient, and really weird. Works best if you have a bathroom in you computer room, of course:D

[FuzzyNY]

hahahahaha wiredest idea I've ever heard!!! are you using it currently?


Fuzz

[r0ckstarbob]

tee hee

i'm sitting here giggling imagining the "toilet terminal" :)

so would you work on yer box while sittin on the crapper?

wow, we're killin ALOT of birds with this one bigass stone using this method huh?

tee hee. actually you're right on the money but hadn't thought of it. any time you wanted or needed to cool your water off a little bit just flush the toilet i guess huh?

man oh man. just what i need. another reason to drink more coffee...

*i gots the giggles now*

:p

tee hee

[Monaco]

hehe, I used it at my old apartment all the time. Now the can is too far from my computert or I 'd be using it still. It worked just great. My computer was right close to the bathroom so the hoses aren't even that long, they were all at the same height too.

We had a lot of people going in and out too, so it got flushed quite often. That helped.

There's nothing quite like the confused look on people's faces when you proudly proclaim,

" I've got to go work on my water-cooled computer system!! "

And then grab a magazine and stroll into the bathroom. Classic!:)

[SteenkyBastage]

good idea, but doesn't the water drop too low when you flush? lookin at my toilet tank it drops to about 1 to 1.5 inches of water in the bottom when flushed. maybe i'm lookin at it wrong... the way my non-toilet system works, the pump is underwater and needs about 5 inches of water deep to keep air from breaching the front. er.... entering the tubes.

[r0ckstarbob]

Originally posted by Rabid Bob Dole
good idea, but doesn't the water drop too low when you flush? lookin at my toilet tank it drops to about 1 to 1.5 inches of water in the bottom when flushed. maybe i'm lookin at it wrong... the way my non-toilet system works, the pump is underwater and needs about 5 inches of water deep to keep air from breaching the front. er.... entering the tubes.

thats pretty easily beatable. just put an empty open lidded coffee can in the bottom of your toilet tank and port your hoses into that so when you flush the toilet, some water remains in the can as the level drops. it doesn't need to work very long, it just needs to keep water in it just long enough for the water level in your toilet tank to rise up above the lip of the can at which point you're good to go again.

ooh! we now have a spell checker here on the forums! yay! i almost keep hitting the spell check button though!

[IFMU]

LoL... I love it in the toilet... But hell I admit that if my setup was closer to the bathroom that I might be interested in giving that w whirl...

[Monaco]

The water level problem was easily overcome- just mess with the float and chain for a bit. After sticking soldering irons and stuff into my motherboard in the quest of more speed, playing with the toilet and assorted plumbing is so easy it's not even funny!:D

Also, we had an old old toilet that was from before the "water saving" days, now toilets move only like 1.3gpf I believe, my old one moved at least 3gpf I'm sure. Easy enough to make a new one flush like an old one, tho. Really does depend on the toilet. Could always attach a secondary reservoir to the toilet tank to be safe.

r0ckstar's coffee can idea will definately get the job done if you don't feel like modding your toilet.

Did I just say "modding your toilet"? heh:D I need a new hobby....

[SteenkyBastage]

this post needs to be moved to the "alternative modding" section. haha, or else we need to make a new "alternative toilet modding" section.

heh, all jokes aside, i think it would be nice to have a watercooling section separate from aircooling.

[r0ckstarbob]

agreed

[.. AE 86 ..]

use water from the sea
u won't waste that for sure
!! :D

[SteenkyBastage]

but you sure would have to worry about corrosion (all that salt). plus that would make the water much much more conductive, methinks.

[SteenkyBastage]

erp, i meant electrically conductive...doubt it would be better for heat conduction.