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I finaly got myself a vapochill. It makes my watercooling rig look like a toy. Its rather archaic looking if you ask me. Anyways i am working a new setup to put inside it. I have added a few powerful 120mm fans that blow 136cfm through the compressor and condensor. I am also gonna paint the case black for mod perposes. Anyone else hacve any suggestions. I cant wait to see what this thing can do.
train22
09-25-01, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by mEKbOY
I finaly got myself a vapochill. It makes my watercooling rig look like a toy. Its rather archaic looking if you ask me. Anyways i am working a new setup to put inside it. I have added a few powerful 120mm fans that blow 136cfm through the compressor and condensor. I am also gonna paint the case black for mod perposes. Anyone else hacve any suggestions. I cant wait to see what this thing can do.
damn, price must have hurt the wallet.... takes all the phun outa o/c.
:cool:
Actualy the price i spent on my water rig is about the same for my vapochill.
heres the run down on my water rig:
Enermax full alluminum case $300
Additional fans 3 120mm, 2 80mm, $60
Maze 2 waterblock $ 40
radiator $55
Resovoir with dual 150gph pumps $90
Misselaneous parts from home depots $40
time spent doing it $ 1,000,000
You get my point though: it cost me about $600 for real nice setup that doesnt come close to the performance of a vapochill.
As far as taking all the fun out that is not true as well. My goal is to get at least 1.8ghz with an AMD chip. No matter what you have that is not easy. So far i just fineshed my volt mod on my iwill kk266 motherboard so it can do upto 2.4volts. I need a new powersupply for this as well as the vapo and high oced amd will consume a lot of power so im lookin into a 550watt enermax. Ill keep everyone informed on the project.
train22
09-25-01, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by mEKbOY
Actualy the price i spent on my water rig is about the same for my vapochill.
heres the run down on my water rig:
Enermax full alluminum case $300
Additional fans 3 120mm, 2 80mm, $60
Maze 2 waterblock $ 40
radiator $55
Resovoir with dual 150gph pumps $90
Misselaneous parts from home depots $40
time spent doing it $ 1,000,000
very nice ca$he-flow, heh...
My dream is to have a Koolance WaterKooling Rig and the next generation Vapochill, I used to love my plain simple Antec, but now it's just another volvo on the block, I want a camaro.
yeah. i work at bank where i make some good money as a teller. I am only 18 so its almost all spending money except for $200 that i give to my mom to help out with rent and the $40 for my cable modem bill.
What kind of temps do you get with the water rig you have now? Also, could you do me a favor (if possible)? Let me know where about the temp sensor is on the evaporator for the vapochill.. I mean how far up from the bottom it is.. I've got two sensors on my refrig units evap. One at the bottom, touching the CPU, and one slightly higher up.. I get 7C from the bottom one and 3C from the higher one (under 100% CPU load).. I saw a pict of the vapochill on Tomshardware & it looked like they put the temp sensor quite a ways up. I'm just wondering how mine compares to theirs... Thanx.
The water rig gets some of the best plain water temps i have seen. I have tested it two ways. One with my 1ghz at 1ghz at stock voltage of 1.75. load it 31c. Only 5c above amient with a athlon. With it overclocked all the way to 1.54ghz and a voltage of 2.08 which is a lot the load is 38c. Which is dam good to me. I have 12x 7' radiator with two 120 sunon fans blowing on it. Tha alluminum case is cold to the touch and there is over 250 cfm going through he case. As far as the temp probe on the vapochill. Its placed pretty high up so im not sure on the accuracy. I was thinking of placing aprobe next to the core but it would be to much of a risk with the way the evaporater clamps to the socket. But when people have been reporting of freezing of cpu's im sure temps are not the issue. Great to hear about your costom evaporators. I have seen a few built from old refridgerators and people are getting great results. however the technical skill they have is great.
Is there a new vaporchill on teh way? I heard somebody mention the second generation vaporchill.
No. They are inteding on using this model for now. What i think you were refering to is the new upgrade program where you can upgrade the evaporator unit to the new pentium 4 socket 478 fittings. If you goto there site you can see what it looks like. The first good cooler for the socket 478. I can imagine what a vapochill and a 2ghz pentium 4 socket 478 could do. They are holding a convention a few days to show off the worlds fastest computer which i think will be the pentium 478 setup. Ill keep you informed.
Warlord2
09-25-01, 07:53 PM
I dont realy see the difference between a 172 watt peltier and a vaporchill besides the price.......
I mean you get almost the same temps but with half the cost......
Thats not true at all. First a 172 watt peltier is not enouph for a high end athlon. You need about twice the wattage to effeicntly cool it which for an athlon would be something like 220 watts since a athlon at 1600mhz puts out 120 watts. This would require about 2 120 watt pelts along with a good water setup not to mention the power supply for the pelts which will cost hundreds. COLIN did a test on this dual setup and tried dual 172 watt pelts and got poor results. He now uses the dual 120 watt pelts which last time i heard gave him 20c temp with a high overclocked athlon. I bet you that setup cost him quite a lot not to mention the testing and error needed. And even then it wont give you below 0 temps on load.
Warlord2
09-25-01, 10:47 PM
true but still setting up a peltier is alot more fun thin a vapochill I bet=]:)
Depends. There is alot more work in the vapochill than i thought. I thought it would just be put system in and boom ready to go but theres a lot of wiring..etc to do. I wont have mine up for another week or 2 as im waiting on some new parts. Peltiers are great and very fun to use but just are practical enouph for athlons. If i were using a pentium 3 or a duron then i would pelt all the way but athlons produce so much heat that the only way to supercool them is a some type of evaporating cooling like a vapochill or a kryotech. Hopefully the newer amd chips will produce less heat and not be so fragile like athlons.
Warlord2
09-25-01, 11:07 PM
yes I am hoping the AMD's will give off less heat thin they are now
I wanna get a 1.5 when they come out so a pelt should give me a 300+ overclock and that would ROCK
even 10c below room temp would be good for the $100 Ive put into the pelt setup
Well the new Amd's are gonna be based of the palamino core. They do run a little cooler than the tbirds but dont expect to get good results with a single pelt on them. I went through the same dilemas only to find that pelts and athlon s just dont mix. The one good thing about athlons is that have sorta made watercooling almost a overclocking standard. Kind of weird. Right now i would say that intel has AMD for next couple of months as far as performance goes. IM not sure about prices because new chips seem to come out every week. If i were i would just stock with what you got and wait till either amd has a hammer chip out or intel has affordable prices.(Doubt that will happen):D
VashTheStampede
09-25-01, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by mEKbOY
Actualy the price i spent on my water rig is about the same for my vapochill.
heres the run down on my water rig:
Enermax full alluminum case $300
Additional fans 3 120mm, 2 80mm, $60
Maze 2 waterblock $ 40
radiator $55
Resovoir with dual 150gph pumps $90
Misselaneous parts from home depots $40
time spent doing it $ 1,000,000
You get my point though: it cost me about $600 for real nice setup that doesnt come close to the performance of a vapochill.
As far as taking all the fun out that is not true as well. My goal is to get at least 1.8ghz with an AMD chip. No matter what you have that is not easy. So far i just fineshed my volt mod on my iwill kk266 motherboard so it can do upto 2.4volts. I need a new powersupply for this as well as the vapo and high oced amd will consume a lot of power so im lookin into a 550watt enermax. Ill keep everyone informed on the project.
$60 for 5 fans?! These little misc. electronics stores are great, I can pick up 5 120mm untailed case fans, for $32.
~RT~
CrazyDave
09-25-01, 11:19 PM
Just a note... peltiers are awesome! until the day you install one slightly drunk and put it on UPSIDE DOWN. 'Nuff said...
Ooohh.. OUCH. I have heard of someone doing that. Nothing like deep frying your cpu to a nice simmer.:D
Warlord2
09-26-01, 12:04 AM
or a nother way to deap fry a cpu is just to leave the heatsink off
tomshardware pointed that out quite clearly=]
Pelts are a blast but the Vapochill has it's place. I keep holding out but I will own one soon for my business box. BTW 1600 MHz at 1.85 volts is only 92 watts. My Bird at 1716 and 2.1 volts is about 128 watts. The Vapochill is designed to deal with 100 watts.
Thanks for your clarification Colin. Your understanding of pelts and the vapochill helps a lot. Im not realy sure about the vapochill meant to handle a 100 wats though. I am yet to get mine up and running but my firend gets -13 with his on a athlon at 1.7ghz and 2volts. He has added a few extra powerful fans on the condensor and compressor so i did the same to mine. He said that helped him get an extra 6c lower. Ill be running mine with a 1.4ghz athlon and volt modded iwill kk266 problay running somewhere around 2.15 volts. Ill let you know how things go.
My comments on the 100 watt design are from conversations with Minotaur, the US distributor for Vapochill. I would think some modifications to the control mechanism could overcome this. They may have been implemented. It's been several months since I spoke with them.
Well.. i Have talked to the technician at minotaur who does the vapochill handleing. He said that you have to adjust the chill control to the exact settings to get the best performance. See when the system starts up it goes into a reset mode so that the system can get cold enoupg to the chillcontrols setting. Its usaly around -5c for athlons. You can have it set to -20c if you want but then the system may not be able to acheive that and stay in reset mode forever. The tips i have recieved are have good aircooling throughout the unit and depending on the system have the chillcontrol setup to its most effeicient point.
Originally posted by mEKbOY
I finaly got myself a vapochill. It makes my watercooling rig look like a toy. Its rather archaic looking if you ask me. Anyways i am working a new setup to put inside it. I have added a few powerful 120mm fans that blow 136cfm through the compressor and condensor. I am also gonna paint the case black for mod perposes. Anyone else hacve any suggestions. I cant wait to see what this thing can do.
He He !!! "ENJOY":D
Got one more question for you.. Without it being too much trouble, can you check & let me know about how big the evaporator on the Vapochill is? (Just the copper part) From the pix I saw, it looked about 1" diameter & maybe 2" tall?? Sound right?
I made mine 1 1/4" tall & 7/8" diameter, but it's not cooling as well as I would like.. I think I might need to make it a little larger.
Thanks.
FerrariF50
09-26-01, 09:34 PM
heheh I can't wait to get my network Admin job! then I can get my $65,000 a year pay! heheh then maybe you can cash my check! lol
Originally posted by mEKbOY
yeah. i work at bank where i make some good money as a teller. I am only 18 so its almost all spending money except for $200 that i give to my mom to help out with rent and the $40 for my cable modem bill.
Well. Actualy i just worked my last day there. I landed a job as a interent tech support guy for local ISP provider here in san diego. My first day wasn't to bad. Judging by your age you look like you have a few years to go along with me. But GOTO School.. Work sucks.
fuzzba11
09-26-01, 11:48 PM
Geez, you guys are pumping a LOT of voltage into those tbirds...I have my 1.4 running at 1620 at 1.825, without falter. I plan on pushing that up to 1807 soon enough, but I refuse to put 2.0V into it, 1.9 is what I'm aiming for. My temps are a little high on my watercooling rig, right now, cause I'm not even using a radiator or anything - going to build myself a bong this weekend, hopefully my temps will drop(currently ~35C idle, 44C load). Going to stick a 172W pelt in as soon as I get a power supply for it, and no way you need higher than that for practical purposes, an mine only puts out around 90 watts, tops, right now...
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