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[OC-Master]

My friend Jack is a hardcore computer junky and he knows just about everything about computers. He also has lots of inside information since his dad works for a computer parts station which preorders parts for stores to get ready to ship!

So, with his big mouth, he's like, Intel wants the lead in MHz in the Value market so there going ahead with a 1.2GHz Celeron2 (12x100) on the original Celeron2 core. This will be sweet for Intel BX owners since it says it supports it on da box! It should be here in less than six weeks he says so we will see.

[The Doors]

Hi AXIA,
You say right, probably the bad P/// Tulatin's ;)

[cyberey66]

If they're gonna be .13 micron with the HS, I'll get one. If they are tualatin cores, I thought that tualatins don't work with the bx chipsets.

[funnyperson1]

its only the voltage thats different, if they changed the voltage needed they could be compatible with bx.....or via apollo pro 133A, these are cellys i mihgt want :).....

[-=HN=- Wild9]

i have a celey 900 at 1.2 ghz :D

[theflyingrat]

The 1.2 Celerons will NOT be compatable with BX chipsets. The 440 architecture doesn't physically support the pin layout of the Tualatin core (which this CPU is built off of). It's not simply a function of FSB speed. The only chipsets that are compliant to Tualatin CPUs currently are the i815EP B-stepping, the SiS 635, and the ALi Aladdin Pro 5. So if you want to run one of these mothas, throw your old BXes and VIA Apollos away....

The 1.2/up Celerons are also .13 micron die builds, run on 100 MHz Front side bus (people have been spouting off left and right about how they'll have 133 FSB now), and, surprisingly enough, won't have a neutered cache - they get the full 256K L2. Intel's link:

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20011002comp.htm

Ought to be good stuff right there! Anyone wanna bet if one'll hit 1.6 GHz in a straight-up OC to 133 FSB?
Best part: Intel's pricing in per 1000 units is $103/piece. Not bad, methinks.

[Zuck Gou :)]

No they are not the same Celeron core from coppermines.

They are 0.13 micron and have 256k L2.

Powerleap may be coming out with an adaptor for BX owners, gotta wait and see.

[dude]

I think that they might be bx compatible. They are not fc-pga2 they are the normal fc-pga. And thier voltage is 1.45 which might be able to work.

[DeepScience]

Originally posted by theflyingrat
The 1.2 Celerons will NOT be compatable with BX chipsets.

roger on that :( here's what Intel says in the pdf...


In addition, the processor will not function in a previous generation platform due to incompatible
system bus signal levels and clock type. Care must be taken to ensure the correct processors are
installed in the correct PGA370 socket platforms...

Since legacy PGA370 socket platforms use a different single-ended clocking specification than the
processor, the processor will not function when placed into these platforms. The BCLK input
directly controls the operating speed of the system bus interface.


That last bit isn't saying they've managed to lock the bus speed as well is it?

[theflyingrat]

Oh, another compatable chipset I forgot: the VIA Apollo 133T.

No, the BX will not be compatable no matter what BIOS upgrades, etc.....you physically cannot change the interface of the CPU to motherboard...without a powerleap adapter of some sort, of course. I'll admit, this is a possibility, but powerleaps' products' integrity has been sketchy at best from what I've seen.

[OC-Master]

ok, never mind, Intel has two versions now!

They officially released a gold celeron2 processor today which has .13 micron technology.

[theflyingrat]

Gold Celeron2 with .13 micron technology? What exactly would this be? Post links if you have them...I only know of the Coppermines through 1.1 GHz, and the quasi-Tualatin core 1.2 GHz. Are you talking about a mobile Celeron?

[cyberey66]

So these new celerons are basically like regular P3s. 256 cache, and 100Mhz bus. Alot better than their original 0 or 128 cache and 66bus in the p2 days.

[WillysNut]

Check the benchies (http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q4/011003/index.html) of .13micron Celeron chip at 1200MHz w/ 256K of L2 Cache vs. a .18 AMD Duron @ 1100MHz w/ 64k of L2 Cache. I think most of you will wait to purchase. I am not being AMD pro..I own Intel CPUs...just really suprised.

[funnyperson1]

yeah, but read this..
Boosting Performance By Overclocking: Celeron With 1500 MHz


The Celeron 1200 with the Tualatin core proves to lend itself especially well to overclocking: 1500 MHz were no problem in the test.

The 0.13-micron technology is what makes it all possible. The Celeron 1200 was overclocked to 1500 MHz without any problem at all in the test. When this happens, the FSB runs at a speed of 125 MHz, the PCI bus at 41.5 MHz and the AGP bus at 83 MHz. Sensitive components such as the GeForce 3 graphics cards can have problems with the high AGP or PCI speed. An experiment in which the Celeron 1200 was overclocked to 1600 MHz was unsuccessful, although the temperature of the CPU core was not even close to the critical range. It is only at the 1600-MHz speed that the CPU equipped with a fixed multiplier would run at specified speeds (FSB speed at 133 MHz, PCI at 33 MHz and AGP at 66 MHz). Most impressive were the benchmark results of the overclocked Celeron 1500, which beat the AMD Duron 1250 in all benchmarks. Only in interaction with the Intel 815 EPT chipset and at an FSB and memory speed of 125 MHz does the Celeron 1500 show off its true performance. With its factory-set 100 MHz memory speed, the Celeron 1200 runs with the handbrake on.


thius looks to be the best overclocker since the P3700E