Should I get H20 or wait for Liquid Galluim, hmmmm

RedDragonXXX · May 25, 2005

I was thinking about it for awhile now about switching to the dark side, LOL (H20) to replace my XP-120. I have put together a list of stuff that I was planning to get and then out of the blue this Liquid Metal cooling comes. From what they have showed it seems impressive and much better than H20 and now I'm thinking about saving my money for this when it comes out. Do you guys think that I should save my money or just go ahead and go H20.

Anyways here is the list of stuff that I was planning to get:

DangerDen RBX 939 - 1/2"
DangerDen MAZE4 GPU nVidia Block
Whish I can get Chipset Block but my vid card would be blocking it
DangerDen DD12V-D4 Pump
Tygon Anti-Kink 1/2" ID Tubing
8x 1/2" ID Elbows
1/2" ID Clamps - 10x
Danger Den Ice Radiator Xtreme II 120mm Dual Fan
2*Thermaltake 120mm fan/2500RPM
Tundra Bay Green UV Dual 5.25" Resevoir
4x 1/2" ID - 5/8" OD Fittings
and some Innovatek innovaProtect Fluid

Looking forward towards your opinions

Borisw37 · May 25, 2005

If i was seting up a cooling system now, I would go with H2O. This liquid metal cooling seems far from ready for the market and when it does hit the stores it will be mad expensive. If you are thinking of blowing your life savings on cooling, and will not be able to scrape up some $$$ in a couple years when liquid cooling comes out, then save and go for the best of the best.
There are a couple problems though: Once liquid metal cooling comes out, there is going to be some other ground breaking technology on the horizon. It virtually impossible to keep up with the state of the art technology on a limited budget.
By the time liquid metal does come out, form factors, CPU designs, etc.. might change

I suggest you go with H2O. You could save some money by making your own Reservoir, get a used heatercore from a junk yard for the radiator, maybe a cheaper pump.

*Disclaimer: I have not read much about this liquid metal cooling. All the assumptions I am making here are just that assumptions.

Daddyjaxx · May 25, 2005

Stay away from the RBX block. You don't need the extra barb. The TDX is just as good. Most here would recommend the the Swifty over the TDX. I think it is ugly myself and the TDX works fine.

The D4 is kind of winey. I can't hear it myself over the fans.

The Tygon is really not necessary. The Clearflex 60 is just as good.

RedDragonXXX · May 25, 2005

I suggest you go with H2O. You could save some money by making your own Reservoir, get a used heatercore from a junk yard for the radiator, maybe a cheaper pump.

Good Idea, Thanx

The Tygon is really not necessary. The Clearflex 60 is just as good.

I don't know much about Clearflex 60, but I heard some good things about Tygon. I know its overkill, but I don't want to think about leakage in my comp.

P.S. How is that VF-700 working for you Daddy?

redwraith94 · May 25, 2005

Let me 'splain...No, that will take too long...let me sum up.

It is looking to be nearly on par w/ water, but the actual setup requires a lot more time, and money than water.

Liquid metal is far from mainstream, so if you want something now, go w/ H2O I am going to wait and see a little longer myself, but that's me.

RedDragonXXX · May 25, 2005

redwraith94 said:
Let me 'splain...No, that will take too long...let me sum up.

It is looking to be nearly on par w/ water, but the actual setup requires a lot more time, and money than water.

Liquid metal is far from mainstream, so if you want something now, go w/ H2O I am going to wait and see a little longer myself, but that's me.

I'm not in the rush neither. My XP-120 is keeping my Winnie 28C Idle/38C Load, I was just hopping that with some better cooling I would be able to hit 2.7GHz and no I don't want to get Venice core.

Krashnicki · May 25, 2005

I could be wrong but I think I read in a article that gallium requires a special magnetic pump to circulate it.

voigts · May 25, 2005

the article that I read about this is that it is bound first for laptops, and then later whatever else. It could take years before this hits the market in a way that is affordable.

Perseus · May 25, 2005

Krashnicki said:
I could be wrong but I think I read in a article that gallium requires a special magnetic pump to circulate it.

Meaning that it might be expensive or that it might create issues? The former may be true in that it's both very small and SOTA technology. As for the latter, I doubt it would be marketed for computers without positive shielding.

OP: If you decide to wait on LM cooling for something other than an add-on for video cards you may be waiting for a good while. Besides that, Nanocoolers is making claims about the technology that seem a bit far-fetched and vague. They say, for instance, that LM cooling can maintain a GPU at 19c, and this without mentioning the ambient present during testing. I'm just as excited about the possibilities as anyone, but I'm going to hold off on any real enthusiasm until I see some independent review\articles on the subject.

Clerisy · May 25, 2005

There are several threads on the gallinstan cooling system if you want to read about it.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=388520

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=387570

I highly doubt its going to be readily available anytime soon.

pwnt by pat · May 25, 2005

Daddyjaxx said:
Stay away from the RBX block. You don't need the extra barb. The TDX is just as good.

The RBX is better than TDX in every aspect except ease of tubing routing.

http://www.procooling.com/html/pro_testing.php

Cathar · May 25, 2005

Liquid Gallium costs ~$11K US per Gallon.

Yes, that's $11000.

Still interested in it?

redwraith94 · May 25, 2005

RedDragonXXX said:
I'm not in the rush neither. My XP-120 is keeping my Winnie 28C Idle/38C Load, I was just hopping that with some better cooling I would be able to hit 2.7GHz and no I don't want to get Venice core.

Well, in that case, this liquid metal technology fascinates me, but it has not been proven yet. With time I am fairly certain that it will prove out, and maybe be better than water. It will not be ready for quite some time though,

Cathar:...11,000 per gallon...well that is why it is closed loop w/ no reservoir

The bottom most thread that Clerisy posted above discusses it in detail, feel free to post any questions there.

JerkasaurusRex · May 25, 2005

Cathar said:
Liquid Gallium costs ~$11K US per Gallon.

Yes, that's $11000.

Still interested in it?

No thanks, not interested anymore... gonna give it a few years until it cheapens.

Cathar · May 25, 2005

Constantinos said:
No thanks, not interested anymore... gonna give it a few years until it cheapens.

Mmmm. Enjoy the wait - it's been around that value for the last 50 years or so.

JerkasaurusRex · May 25, 2005

Cathar said:
Mmmm. Enjoy the wait - it's been around that value for the last 50 years or so.

I got time, i am only 16 yrs old now. I have plenty of time to wait for that stuff.

Cathar · May 25, 2005

Constantinos said:
I got time, i am only 16 yrs old now. I have plenty of time to wait for that stuff.

Incidentally liquid Gallium is produced as a by-product of aluminium mining. Australia produces most of it, but not in its liquid form. It comes out of the ground as a chemical compound, and it shipped to France where it gets chemically separated into its pure (liquid at room temperature) state.

Back in the mid-90's when computer chip makers were postulating that GalliumArsenide (GaAs) was going to replace silicone as the CPU chip material of choice, the price of Gallium shot up about tenfold, before slowly settling back to its current and largely flat historical price of around $500US per kg.

Moto7451 · May 25, 2005

redwraith94 said:
Let me 'splain...No, that will take too long...let me sum up.

It is looking to be nearly on par w/ water, but the actual setup requires a lot more time, and money than water.

Liquid metal is far from mainstream, so if you want something now, go w/ H2O I am going to wait and see a little longer myself, but that's me.

I mean, if we only had a wheelbarrow, that would be something.

Yeah liquid metal cooling isn't something I see becoming wide spread for a great long time. Water works well & if you have the money you can always move to phase change if you want something more extreme

.

redwraith94 · May 25, 2005

Moto7451 said:
I mean, if we only had a wheelbarrow, that would be something.

Hee hee.

Cathar said:
...flat historical price of around $500US per kg.

Cathar: Do you know how much Indium costs, usually? Also, how solid is the 500 per kg price of gallium, what about buying bulk, or lower purities;...Isn't that price for 99.9999 % pure, or around there?

millhouse · May 25, 2005

Cathar said:
Liquid Gallium costs ~$11K US per Gallon.

Yes, that's $11000.

Still interested in it?

How will anybody be able to afford liquid gallium cooling then, it doesnt make sense to me. :eh?:

Should I get H20 or wait for Liquid Galluim, hmmmm

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