r290 GPU Build up w/ lots of PICS.

[{PMS}fishy]

Ill let the pictures tell the story.

Parts List:

1/5 HP ebay compressor.
3/8, 1/2, 3/4, 1" copper caps.
1/4" copper stock
Braze Rods 15% silver
Black Flux
45% silver solder rings
6 Row Condensor
3/8" 36" SS gas feed line
Insulation
Electrical tape
Scharders
Filter/drier

Here are the schraders, fill adaptor, braze rings, and filter/drier
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1337.JPG

Cap Tube
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1338.JPG

Gas Line
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1339.JPG

Caps and Stock
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1340.JPG

Condensor
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1341.JPG

[{PMS}fishy]

http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1342.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1343.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1344.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1345.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1346.JPG

[{PMS}fishy]

http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1347.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1348.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1349.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1352.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1353.JPG

[{PMS}fishy]

http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1354.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1355.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1356.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1357.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1358.JPG

[{PMS}fishy]

http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1359.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1360.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1360.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1362.JPG
http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1363.JPG

[{PMS}fishy]

http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1364.JPG

[Zulu-1]

wow.. thats very very nice.. when you gonna hook that bad boy up? ;)

[Zork]

Glad to see you got it all together... Hope to see it in action soon with some nice results .. :D

[{PMS}fishy]

wow.. thats very very nice.. when you gonna hook that bad boy up? ;)

Just waiting on gauges. Got screwed three times on them.

[{PMS}fishy]

Glad to see you got it all together... Hope to see it in action soon with some nice results .. :D

Oh ya, and huge thanks to this guy here.

Helped me find all the parts, even sold me some, and kept me in line.

Lets say he was my master and I was the apprentice.

[CCUABIDExORxDIE]

that thing is a beauty. nice job {PMS}fishy. phase change cooling for a gpu, i like the way you think!

[Ad Rock]

Looking good Fishy, maybe your gauges will get lost in the mail and I might actually beat you to getting a system up and running first.

How do you plan to hold the evap down? Just put a plexi-sheet over the top and bolt it down?

Looks good man, I cant wait to get mine rolling.

[{PMS}fishy]

Looking good Fishy, maybe your gauges will get lost in the mail and I might actually beat you to getting a system up and running first.

How do you plan to hold the evap down? Just put a plexi-sheet over the top and bolt it down?

Looks good man, I cant wait to get mine rolling.

I have a metal mounting bracket with studs that sits atop the insulation.

I think its the only thing that didn't make it into the pictures.

[xTrEmEoVrClOcKr]

Truely awsome, when you get another 6800U, put this on it and see if you can hit your 550 core clocks :).

[sicloan]

its beautiful!!! cant wait to see that GPU clock speeds.

[{PMS}fishy]

Truely awsome, when you get another 6800U, put this on it and see if you can hit your 550 core clocks :).

I'd love too, but I first need to get around the cold bug. I was unsuccessful with that durrin my last sub zero atempt.

[Moto7451]

Very nice. You're making my wall mount air conditioner sweat as I evil eye it :D.

[9mmCensor]

Frost 'er up. And post pics here http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=387525

[speed bump]

Wow does this mean your going for the #1 x800xl or 6800?

I'm curious what did you use to braze with?

Also I'm glad that I'm to see that I'm not the first person to see that gas hose and think wow that would make a great Phase Change coolant return line.

Edit:
I'd love too, but I first need to get around the cold bug. I was unsuccessful with that durrin my last sub zero atempt.

All it should require is an Asus or a Gainward card.

[{PMS}fishy]

Wow does this mean your going for the #1 x800xl or 6800?

I'm curious what did you use to braze with?

Also I'm glad that I'm to see that I'm not the first person to see that gas hose and think wow that would make a great Phase Change coolant return line.

Edit:


All it should require is an Asus or a Gainward card.

You buying? I almost bought an ASUS, but at over $550 I just can't justify it. I guess Ill have to stick with #2.

I brazed all the copper joints with 15% silver rods. The SS/Copper junction recieved a treatment of black flux, 4 45% silver rings, and then another seal of 15% rod.

I will be taking the #1 x800XL score, and Ill be looking to take down the 9800 scores, and possibly some of the x800xt and x850xt scores. :D

[speed bump]

ou buying? I almost bought an ASUS, but at over $550 I just can't justify it. I guess Ill have to stick with #2.


I wish LOL. However if I was I'd be telling you not to worry about a wimpy single stage as I'm flying out to help you with a triple Cascade for the GPU, an autocascade for the chipset and either a triple cascade or alot of LN2 for the CPU. But i'm not.

However I'm not so sure that your going to get the 9800 records as i'll be going after them with a dothan DI, and a frankenGPU cooler that will be done when I find a cheap pump or Petsmart get the Danner Mag3s back in stock.

[{PMS}fishy]

However I'm not so sure that your going to get the 9800 records as i'll be going after them with a dothan DI, and a frankenGPU cooler that will be done when I find a cheap pump or Petsmart get the Danner Mag3s back in stock.

We will see. I have 4 9800s that I can use. One of them has to be a record breaker.

[sandman001]

Looks like a nice setup, but did you flush with nitrogen/propane while brazing?

If not you probably have some serious copper oxidation on the inside of the lines.

It might not block anything, but if you do it again I'd reccomend it.

[matttheniceguy]

I can't say I find the idea of flowing propane through a block while you braze it too enticing. The theory is that there is no air so it can't burn or explode, but until you are done brazing the evaporatir, it isn't sealed at all. You could argue that the flow of the propane out of the block would be enough to keep any air from blowing into the evap through the seams you are brazing, but with the amount of "wind" from the torch I wouldn't bet on that. I'm not worried about an explosion, but I wouldn't be supprised to see some flames from the seams of the block and maby some little "pops". I have been using a quick dip in muriatic acid to clean the oxidization off my parts, and it works very well and very quickly.

The acid itself is pretty crazy stuff, deffinatly something to wear safety glasses with, and only use outside with a bit of a breeze blowing. The fumes from it are somewhere between horrably rotten eggs and mustard gas. When you put oxidized parts in it, it bubbles like mad for a couple seconds until the oxidization is gone.

[krag]

Nice work fishy!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
I am still waiting on my dual head SLI phase cooler from sandman001! :bang head
The wait is killing me... :eh?:

[{PMS}fishy]

Looks like a nice setup, but did you flush with nitrogen/propane while brazing?

If not you probably have some serious copper oxidation on the inside of the lines.

It might not block anything, but if you do it again I'd reccomend it.

No, way too much work.

I considered it, but it just looks like way too much work.

[g0dM@n]

What you did already looks like way too much work.

[{PMS}fishy]

What you did already looks like way too much work.

Beats spending $800 on a premade.

[Ad Rock]

What you did already looks like way too much work.

I bet people say the same thing about you and your computer when they go home to their pre-made Dell. It all depends on how far you want to take this addiction :D.

[{PMS}fishy]

Well it got cold. There is a pin hole in the evap that I need to patch up. I should have it fully functioning by tonight.

Ill atleast have a frosty picture to show.

[Electron Chaser]

Ohh very cool (pardon the pun). looking forward to seeing the pics.

[g0dM@n]

I need to find a reading on this stuff, so I can learn how to do... did you learn this ONLY by reading, or did you also learn from watching someone do it in person?

I want to learn!

[noboundaries]

how do you get a custom avitar? the forum profile setup won't let me

[speed bump]

how do you get a custom avitar? the forum profile setup won't let me

You need fifty posts first.


Most of the information needed to build a phase change cooler is readily available on the internet, I was looking and even found instructions for building cascade. Th only thing that I haven't seen much information on is charging your system after you've built it.

[Dell_Axim]

Nice phase change cooling system, {PMS}fishy. You'll attract a lot of attention at LAN parties. (Well, I guess that you already do based on your icon!)
Just be careful if you're putting a high power fan in that machine so you don't become the next Janet Jackson, LOL.

[{PMS}fishy]

I need to find a reading on this stuff, so I can learn how to do... did you learn this ONLY by reading, or did you also learn from watching someone do it in person?

I want to learn!

I learned from my master sensi.

There are some very good articles out there. Putting it together was the easy part, sourcing the right parts and deciding on what I wanted to use was that hard part.

Id like to guess I have about 10 hours into this thing so far. Not too bad considering all the undoing and redoing I had to do because it was my first time.

I think now that I understand how it all works I could whip something simple like this together in a few hours.

[{PMS}fishy]

Here it is. All cold.

http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/Phase/DSCN1365.JPG

[Mr.Guvernment]

so when u going to build apurdy external flashy case for all that cooling power!

[hawtrawkr]

looks incredibly fishy cant wait to see the results.

did you remove the cores from the schrader ports before you soldered them in?

[g0dM@n]

There are some very good articles out there.

So what do you look for, just "phase change tutorial" or something? Are there different KINDS of phase change? I don't know diddly, except that it works sorta like a fridge... that's all I know.

[{PMS}fishy]

looks incredibly fishy cant wait to see the results.

did you remove the cores from the schrader ports before you soldered them in?

Yes, otherwise the plastic seals will melt and render the valve useless.

[{PMS}fishy]

So what do you look for, just "phase change tutorial" or something? Are there different KINDS of phase change? I don't know diddly, except that it works sorta like a fridge... that's all I know.

Yes there are different kinds. The one I made is called a DD or Direct Die system. Where the refrigant is blasted right onto a block that is dirrectly cooling the heat load.

There are also phase change water chillers, and all sorts of other stuff.

99% of the time when we are talking phase change and computers its DD.

[{PMS}fishy]

so when u going to build apurdy external flashy case for all that cooling power!

Never. Computer doesn't have a case, so neither does the cooling. Its a bench set up. There is no way Id be able to fit a GPU and CPU phase cooler into a case the size that I would want.

So Instead, I just spread it all across the work bench.

[g0dM@n]

... with the pink lights I gave you, right? :)

IT HELPS!

[{PMS}fishy]

... with the pink lights I gave you, right? :)

IT HELPS!

Nah, those have to stay with the a64 so it will turn on.

Also turns out that the CPU was fine, and the MB is dead :/

[Gautam]

First class work my man! :thup:

[matttheniceguy]

g0dM@n, you can pretty much learn everything you need to know for a simple single stage DD unit like this from reading, but you have to do a LOT of it. Here are a few guides and stuff to get you started and give you an idea of what is involved.

Using tools (http://www.vr-zone.com/index.cgi?i=713&s=1)
walkthrough (http://www.vr-zone.com/index.cgi?i=714&s=1)
IceColdcomputing (http://www.icecoldcomputing.com/)
DIY phase change (http://www.extremecooling.net/index/content.php?article.38.0)
Cap tube sizing (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29694&page=1&pp=25)
Shrader to propane (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46213&highlight=epsilon)

There is a lot of good information over at XS, and all over the net. All you have to to is track it down and absorb it all.

[krag]

JaCKpOT! wOOOOOt! Thanks for the links bro!

[Zork]

I learned from my master sensi.


LOL :D

You did an A+ job for your first build.. Awsome feeling when you see that ice for the first time isnt it....

Have you got a temp probe on it yet to see what the evap temps unloaded are? Also what pressures high/low your running at?

When are we to expect this thing on your XL? Going to be a little ticked if you beat my scores.. j/k

[snvpa]

Well knowing Fishy he'll kill every component long before he gets near your scores Zork. Looks great Fishy, can't wait to bust some 9800 records.

[{PMS}fishy]

LOL :D

You did an A+ job for your first build.. Awsome feeling when you see that ice for the first time isnt it....

Have you got a temp probe on it yet to see what the evap temps unloaded are? Also what pressures high/low your running at?

When are we to expect this thing on your XL? Going to be a little ticked if you beat my scores.. j/k

Ill be aiming at 15k. See what I can muster up. Id like to see 550+ on the GPU.

Low side is -10hg and high is 145PSI. Thats the max I could charge it to. The compressor was sitting in a vac. at -28hg for about 30 mins. The rotary Im using to pull a vac sprung a small leak, and that was all I could pull. Im sure I could fix the leak, and get it a little lower.

Seems ok too. I ran it on and off 3 times for 6 hours. Pressures are with in 5psi each time. I take that is because of ambient temp fluculation. It seems to be working ok, I just can't find any damn 4-40 rods to bolt the evap to the card :(

[Dell_Axim]

OK, I'm curious now. R290 is the codename for which video card? (Since my 9000 AIW is RV250, it must be some 9x00 card?) (9800?)

[{PMS}fishy]

OK, I'm curious now. R290 is the codename for which video card? (Since my 9000 AIW is RV250, it must be some 9x00 card?) (9800?)

r290 is the type of refrigant. AKA propane.

It will be cooling anything I can bolt it on. Including but not limited to a 9800p, 680U, x800xl, x800xt, and an x850xt.

[speed bump]

Doesn't it always suck when you can't get what you need to finish off your project Fishy. I know I'm still waiting for the foam to finish off insulating my DIce tube.

[{PMS}fishy]

Doesn't it always suck when you can't get what you need to finish off your project Fishy. I know I'm still waiting for the foam to finish off insulating my DIce tube.

I spent a good 10 mins threading down some 6-32 to 4-40.

Man that sucked. Im just glad I had the right size die.

I have 2 options tommorrow. Mount the evap, or take this awesome chick out.

I think the computer has to wait.

[g0dM@n]

Mount the evap, or take this awesome chick out.

Sarah is back? :D

[g0dM@n]

g0dM@n, you can pretty much learn everything you need to know for a simple single stage DD unit like this from reading, but you have to do a LOT of it. Here are a few guides and stuff to get you started and give you an idea of what is involved.

Using tools (http://www.vr-zone.com/index.cgi?i=713&s=1)
walkthrough (http://www.vr-zone.com/index.cgi?i=714&s=1)
IceColdcomputing (http://www.icecoldcomputing.com/)
DIY phase change (http://www.extremecooling.net/index/content.php?article.38.0)
Cap tube sizing (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29694&page=1&pp=25)
Shrader to propane (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46213&highlight=epsilon)

There is a lot of good information over at XS, and all over the net. All you have to to is track it down and absorb it all.
EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED! Thanks, bro. I greatly appreciate it. :)

[{PMS}fishy]

Sarah is back? :D

I said awesome, not mentally unstable, and cranky.

[g0dM@n]

Next time I come there I'm going to show her what you said, and DO NOT BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER. 1ST WARNING! NEXT TIME YOU GET A NICE 3 DAY VACATION. krag

[speed bump]

Fishy girls are trouble and they take up to much time that could be otherwise used benching. :) No actually they are great which means I have Dothan components in the mail that I'm hoping I can get around to before m GF want's to do something.

Good luck on the x800xl records but your still not going to get the 9800 records ;)

[g0dM@n]

My gf hates the amount of time my computer takes away from her.

Updates, Fishy? Did you kill your 6800?

[hawtrawkr]

Fishy girls are trouble and they take up to much time that could be otherwise used benching. :) No actually they are great which means I have Dothan components in the mail that I'm hoping I can get around to before m GF want's to do something.




well i agree with the first part of this :thup: and relate to the last part about the gf wanting to do something :bang head they just dont realize we already have something to do.

[{PMS}fishy]

My gf hates the amount of time my computer takes away from her.

Updates, Fishy? Did you kill your 6800?

6800 has been dead for some time.

I got a new one to kill though.

Hope Crimedog doesn't mind.

[crimedog]

Hope Crimedog doesn't mind.

i might just puke in your pink rig at the lan

[{PMS}fishy]

i might just puke in your pink rig at the lan

Ah, I don't even like it. I won't be that upset.

[kayl]

looking good.
before attack evap just pressure test evap assembly
add r290 to room temp 100psig and place in water,
make sure to brase suction line closed first.
best to pressure test with nitorgen if possible to say 250-300psig if possilbe.

[g0dM@n]

Did you get it working yet?

[{PMS}fishy]

Did you get it working yet?

Yep. Its up and running.

Now to find some hardware to torture.

[g0dM@n]

Buy some 6800Us and kill them again!

[speed bump]

I saw his A64 up for sale maybe hes going to buy something.

[{PMS}fishy]

Buy some 6800Us and kill them again!

Its easy to make a 6800U cold.

Its another thing to make a cold 6800U run 3D.

[{PMS}fishy]

Bolted it on to the x800xl.

Here are some results.

http://pmsfishy.zerobrains.com/working.JPG

[g0dM@n]

Did you do any volt mods to the XL? Do most XLs even break 450?

[crimedog]

i have a feeling we'll be freezing oppainter's old msi 6800u with it this weekend, if we can lug it to canada

he's near stock volts because he doesn't have a dmm handy and wont adjust it blind. pansy.

[g0dM@n]

I heard if you use phase change on your body you can run faster.

[Dell_Axim]

I heard if you use phase change on your body you can run faster.
I don't know about that, but I do know that I'm more productive during the summer if I have the A/C turned on.

{PMS}fishy, nice overclock. How long did it take to design the cooling system?
BTW, you remind me of my friend Shivani. Shivani would say, "Oh fish." when she encounters complex computer programming topics. On second thought, you even look like Shivani! (based on your icon) Are you just a look-a-like or did we just meet here?
Either way, happy overclocking!

[{PMS}fishy]

Did you do any volt mods to the XL? Do most XLs even break 450?

Card has a vGPU mod. All I felt like doing. I don't have a MM handy, so shes running stock vGPU.

XLs suck. Plain and simple. They are hot, they don't scale well, and they are still big $.

400 is stock. I think I broke 450 on water. I don't even remember.

I have my sights set at 600 core. I don't plan on getting there, but aim for the stars....

[hawtrawkr]

really makes me feel lazy to see you build your own phase system for your videocards and i cant even get around to hooking a pelt up to mine. sadist thing of all is that my family owns a hvac shop here in town and i have access to about anything id ever want to use. funny thing is that the bulk of what ive learned with regards to refrigeration has come from my intrest in computers and not from when i worked as a service tech repairing airconditioners and chillers (oh well least i got my universal certification :rolleyes: )

[g0dM@n]

You kinda sound like me. I went to school for a BS in Physics, and some of the people here know more electronics than me, even though I read up on it at school.

Also, my dad is a mechanic, and I've worked at his shop on and off for YEARS repairing cars. I bet a lotta people that have less experience than me know more than me... all b/c I'm lazy, and don't really open up my mind to absorb the stuff. When I'm focused/motivated... that's a different story, but I know EXACTLY what you're talking about Hawtrawkr.

[{PMS}fishy]

I don't know about that, but I do know that I'm more productive during the summer if I have the A/C turned on.

{PMS}fishy, nice overclock. How long did it take to design the cooling system?
BTW, you remind me of my friend Shivani. Shivani would say, "Oh fish." when she encounters complex computer programming topics. On second thought, you even look like Shivani! (based on your icon) Are you just a look-a-like or did we just meet here?
Either way, happy overclocking!

Design means that I had plans before I started.

Im a figure it out as you go kind of person.

I have about 10h work of work into this, maybe 20 hours worth of reading and research.

I also had an r22/r290 master here hold my hand though the whole process.

I never doubted my mechanical skills (I was a mechanic) but I doubted my refrigation abilities.

[g0dM@n]

Who was the r22/r290 master?

[speed bump]

Probably zork as he is a master gasser. :)

Fishy if your willing to go PCI-e the 6800s don't have a cold bug. If I remember correctly Oppainter was using an XFX 6800gt and some other(I think it was MSI) 6800gt when he set the 01 record with SLI. However I would wait a couple of weeks and find out if Nvidia is actually release the 7800 as it might be worth buying or atleast make the 6x00 series alot cheaper.

Good luck the 600core though, I think for really good core you have to get a lucky XL or get it really nice and frozen. Considering this is the proccess that ATI is probably going to use for future cards, I hope they can perfect it though or else hard core overclockers might have to go Nvidia for some none killing themselves to make it work overclocks.

[{PMS}fishy]

Probably zork as he is a master gasser. :)

Fishy if your willing to go PCI-e the 6800s don't have a cold bug. If I remember correctly Oppainter was using an XFX 6800gt and some other(I think it was MSI) 6800gt when he set the 01 record with SLI. However I would wait a couple of weeks and find out if Nvidia is actually release the 7800 as it might be worth buying or atleast make the 6x00 series alot cheaper.

Good luck the 600core though, I think for really good core you have to get a lucky XL or get it really nice and frozen. Considering this is the proccess that ATI is probably going to use for future cards, I hope they can perfect it though or else hard core overclockers might have to go Nvidia for some none killing themselves to make it work overclocks.

Funny you say that. I have Opts old 6800 MSI in my computer right now ;)

No cold bug either.

Also, 580 core, semi stable, 1.65v. I think 600 core is within reach.