hi guys i really appreciate the amount of help you have all offered over the last few days and im glad that this isnt a noob flaming forum. i have been reading the forums alot and i have sen posts about adding anti freeze to the water in the cooling loop and i have seen posts about using specialty additives and i was wondering if you would kindly tell me what is better for getting the lowest temps antifreeze and water or water and the additive and if you know of any really awesome water additives please tell me about it thanks alot guys.