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2 opinions.
Are dual cored chips SMP systems ? That should be combined with SMP ?
Are Dual core chips more like a single processor system because there is 1 chip 1 socket and should be delt with in the Single Cpu forums ?
Answer YES would Mean you see dual cores as smp related topics.
Answer NO would mean you see them as single procesor realted topics.
Lets just vote and see where it falls my personal opinion is the SMP forum covers way more topics related to SMP related systems from the stickies to the members who post here.And would be a better area for information related to the system of dual cored chips.
perfectturmoil
06-15-05, 11:16 AM
Dual core systems are definatly SMP system.
BUT
Pretty soon, they should get their own forum.. As the CPU forum is divided into intel and amd, smp should be divided into dual core and dual processor (dual chip whatever).
The subject's will be the same, but I bet they will be having a lot of problems/threads/whatever that will be specific to dual core and not applicable to physical dual processor systems. They probably will eventually need their own forum - they won't care why most of our usb ports wont work, and we wont care why their games dont run as awesome as they want ;-]
Quailane
06-15-05, 11:58 AM
They should stay single core because all the hardware is unrelated to smp but is exactly the same as single cores.
I'm going for them to stay in the SMP area. 2 cores = 2 processors in my view
They should stay single core because all the hardware is unrelated to smp but is exactly the same as single cores.
Can you site examples of that ? Please ?
Can you tell us how SMP works ? Will a single core and Dual core run on the same operating system ? Because a dual core is a SMP chip.It is not a single core chip and runs differently.
If the hardware is the same can any motherboard use dual core chip ? Or is it liited to a few of the new released boards ?
Xeon 875 chipset, P-4 875 chipset.One example of 2cpu and single cpu using the same chipset ....
On the physical side, its different.
But fundamentally, dual or multi-core CPUs are just SMP.
(So, it felt most logical to post my "dual-core thread" in this part of the forums.) :)
Whether it should have dual/multi-core solutions have their own section in the forums is really up to the Moderators or Owners of these forums. If they feel the need for a separate section, then so be it.
But I do agree, it would become difficult given the nature of dual/quad/eight CPU mobos supporting dual-core.
So I guess for the forums, you should go by number of CPU sockets.
* single-socket related topics are to remain with their respective sections (AMD/Intel/etc)
* multi-socket (2 or more) go into SMP section.
* General dual/multi-core threads (which cover both AMD/Intel) should go in the general CPU section.
That's the way I see it in a forum sense.
Albigger
06-15-05, 12:38 PM
I definately qualify dual cores as SMP...
HOWEVER,
if the purpose of this poll is to determine where the dual core related discussion/threads are going, I say keep it as it is now (some threads in both areas). One BIG reason for this is that eventually all the chips are going dual core, so if we move all the dual core discussions here there won't be anything left to talk about in the CPU section except 'legacy' chips.
Another reason is that it will increase traffic in the SMP forum for the given time (if we let people post in either forum).
Also if the mods tried to enforce where dual core topic threads should go (not sure if this is the intent, again just speculating) then that would require a TON of work on their part.
Question I think many miss is this..And we have all seen them,,Can I run Windows on 1 core and the game on another ? Can I run Windows 98.And we all know the many other asked questions we have sen..
You see by counting Sockets you are forgetting the complexity and differences of SMP to single processors there by leading people to areas with little on no help.
Single processing
SMP processing
AMP Processing
Each different in its function and operation.And because of that i would just toss dual cores in here because the hard facts about the systems function already exists in stickies and among the members in here..
Maybe I am a nut , But to provide help and even offer it the topics need to be specific to the system in question and as it appears we have done that for almost every topic it became apparent to me that with dual cores we have an issue that needs sound direction based on technical facts not obvious appearances.
Oh and unless ya get a dual core how many are going to look at the Intel CPu areas for dual core threads ? To me that would be like looking for Xeon answers there..
Hmmm...I guess.
I'm still curious how one would re-organise the forum when dual and multi-core solutions become more widespread. (say in 2 or 3 years time).
If a change needs to be made, one would have to consider that as well.
I just went "by the socket" as it would be the easiest for most to understand.
Maybe divide the forums up into sections based on core?
(I'm just throwing up ideas here)
Say :
Single-core
AMD
Intel
SMP
etc
Dual-core
AMD
Intel
SMP
etc
And so on.
That way, as more cores appear in future CPUs, one can simply "tack on" a new section to the forum.
I'm not sure how much load or complexity this adds to administering the forums, though. (But it could cause some redundancy in some areas).
Need another option.
New Dual Core Section
Need another option.
New Dual Core Section
I agree but as a sub forum here that WAY all stickies that are SMP related are available to them
SMP means:
(Extracted from webopedia.com)
(1) Short for Symmetric Multiprocessing, a computer architecture that provides fast performance by making multiple CPUs available to complete individual processes simultaneously (multiprocessing). Unlike asymmetrical processing, any idle processor can be assigned any task, and additional CPUs can be added to improve performance and handle increased loads. A variety of specialized operating systems and hardware arrangements are available to support SMP. Specific applications can benefit from SMP if the code allows multithreading.
Doesn't that mean that HT could be considered semi-SMP?
SMP means:
(Extracted from webopedia.com)
(1) Short for Symmetric Multiprocessing, a computer architecture that provides fast performance by making multiple CPUs available to complete individual processes simultaneously (multiprocessing). Unlike asymmetrical processing, any idle processor can be assigned any task, and additional CPUs can be added to improve performance and handle increased loads. A variety of specialized operating systems and hardware arrangements are available to support SMP. Specific applications can benefit from SMP if the code allows multithreading.
Doesn't that mean that HT could be considered semi-SMP?
YEs it does mean that ..BUT 2 complete cores with there own cache makes the single dual core chip an exact MIRROR of an SMP system..period..There is no almost like smp it is perfectly in every wary an smp system
{PMS}fishy
06-15-05, 03:44 PM
People don't post in the right section anyways.
When I think of the SMP section I think more along the lines of MBs with 2 or more sockets. Yes, dual core CPUs are SMP but they run on MBs that can run single processors to.
I say keep all the sections they way that they are. SMP for real SMP (2 or more socket setups) and let the 8XX and X2 threads end up where ever they end up.
WarriorII
06-15-05, 03:53 PM
keep all the sections they way that they are. SMP for real SMP (2 or more socket setups) and let the 8XX and X2 threads end up where ever they end up
That would be messy and very unorganized.
{PMS}fishy
06-15-05, 03:57 PM
That would be messy and very unorganized.
How do you figure?
Why should we have a special section for somehting that can fit in 2 other sections?
Its nothing special.
A 8xx is identical in everyway to dual XEONs, aside from the 2 cores being on one package, as opposed to two.
How do you figure?
Why should we have a special section for somehting that can fit in 2 other sections?
Its nothing special.
A 8xx is identical in everyway to dual XEONs, aside from the 2 cores being on one package, as opposed to two.
AND thats why I am suggsting that a dual core be a sub forum of SMP.Because there identicle to the Xeon platform,,To let these people wander around the intel forum is a joke and just senseless.
{PMS}fishy
06-15-05, 04:02 PM
AND thats why I am suggsting that a dual core be a sub forum of SMP.Because thee identicle to the Xeon platform,,To let these people wander around the intel forum is a joke and just senseless.
Not really a waste or a joke. They run on the same Mbs that a 5xx/6xx would run on.
They fit in both sections, and I say you let the people post where they fell they will get the best answer.
The SMP section is slow, and I know Id never post a question on an 8XX in here.
Not really a waste or a joke. They run on the same Mbs that a 5xx/6xx would run on.
They fit in both sections, and I say you let the people post where they fell they will get the best answer.
The SMP section is slow, and I know Id never post a question on an 8XX in here.
Ya but a chipset that is new and is the only one that allows for a Dual core to work in it..Ya cant take a dual core and toss it into ANY 775 main board..It must be the 955 chipset according to our talks..Making that chipset slightly different then the 915 or 925.Hence the dual core ability. SMP rules we could use some action in here LMAO
Sentential
06-15-05, 04:06 PM
Sorry but that is ridiclous. SMP = 2 sockets. End of story.
If you move dual-cores to SMP there will be no CPU section seeing how Intel/AMD will only produce dual-quad cores in the future. THIS is a very bad idea.
You *cannot* let your personal feelings of "bringing more traffic to the SMP cuz im lonely" get in the way of the reality of things.
*True* SMP will have very few posts because of price, because it has multiple sockets / server boards. That is its purpose.
I will *never* post in SMP when I own a dual-core. Period
Sorry but that is ridiclous. SMP = 2 sockets. End of story.
If you move dual-cores to SMP there will be no CPU section seeing how Intel/AMD will only produce dual-quad cores in the future. THIS is a very bad idea.
You *cannot* let your personal feelings of "bringing more traffic to the SMP cuz im lonely" get in the way of the reality of things.
*True* SMP will have very few posts because of price, because it has multiple sockets / server boards. That is its purpose.
I will *never* post in SMP when I own a dual-core. Period
Agreed.
Wouldn't there eventually be dual socket, dual core setups also? (virtually quad setups)
Sentential
06-15-05, 04:12 PM
Agreed.
Wouldn't there eventually be dual socket, dual core setups also? (virtually quad setups)
That is 100% correct. Which is why I think they are barking up the wrong tree.
If we are going to use that logic why dont we make a dedication section to both SLI and AMR seeing how its SMGFX. That makes much more sense than what you are providing.
When I think SMP I think of it more physical than virtual... that's why I mentioned the hyperthreading... it acts almost like dual, but it's considered single. Dual core acts like dual, but is actual a single chip... etc...
I doubt newbies will look in SMP for dual core. Like Sen said, some boards that support single can still do dual core, which means a board can be in both SMP and in the regular mobo sections simultaneously? People may start posting doubles for that... Pffff...
{PMS}fishy
06-15-05, 04:20 PM
Agreed.
Wouldn't there eventually be dual socket, dual core setups also? (virtually quad setups)
There all ready are. It was where the first dual cores where seen.
Sentential
06-15-05, 04:22 PM
There all ready are. It was where the first dual cores where seen.
Point being, if you move all dual-cores to SMP it would wholly errode the CPU section at the detriment of everyone. No offense but you duallie guys are in the minority.
If anything there shouldnt be an SMP section. Not the reverse of castrating the CPU section to make a SMP section.
Point being, if you move all dual-cores to SMP it would wholly errode the CPU section at the detriment of everyone. No offense but you duallie guys are in the minority.
If anything there shouldnt be an SMP section. Not the reverse of castrating the CPU section to make a SMP section.
Soon to end..We will be majority and thats is just the way computers are heading..So what the problem ?
Can a single CPU diehard tell me how my dual cores work ? NO..Are your stickies helpfull to a dual core owner ? NO.
Thats life as it is, not as we would prefer it to be.
And as a forum we need to be prepaired to help dual core owners not stick them to flounder around with single cpu knowledge that does not completly apply..
{PMS}fishy
06-15-05, 04:29 PM
This thread just went belly up.
How did it manage to turn into a popularity contest?
Sentential
06-15-05, 04:30 PM
Explain to me how your stickes are so much better? They deal with old platforms with outdated information. I dont see how one can argue which is better.
The SMP section has always been tailored to *multiple socket server* platforms as the CPU section have been tailored for *desktop single socket* platforms. I dont see how you can possibly argue that your method is better, espeically with your own personal motives behind it.
What could a dual-core owner POSSIBLY gain by reading a sticky about how to put together a dual-core system. I think its a littly hypocritical for you to claim to know what's best for dual-core owners when you dont have one yourself.
Perhaps you are seeing this from too narrow a viewpoint? Have you even owned a dual-core platform or know somone who does? Because I certinaly do.
"Duallies" are VERY different from dual-core platforms.
Explain to me how your stickes are so much better? They deal with old platforms with outdated information. I dont see how one can argue which is better.
The SMP section has always been tailored to multiple sockets as CPUs have been one. I dont see how you can possibly argue that your method is better, espeically with your own personal motives behind it.
Look read what SMP is before ya suggest I have a motive beyond what is helpfull to other members.
Fact is our SMP stickie and our list of software alone puts information in the hands of dual core owners otherwise unavailable in the single cpu area.
Plus our members are very smart and able to odffer fast answers with out a lot of research because we have done most of it already.
It is not personal preference,,BUT copmputing differences that apply here .. i have no issue with a single system or More power to them..BUT your complete lack of SMP knowledge means you are not prepaired to hande dual cores..we here are..Simple as that ..So please Sentennial do not imply I have any personal motive beyond that which i have stated.
Quote:Duallies" are VERY different from dual-core platforms
Please explain so we can all learn something.Then tell us a dual core runs just like a single in a way we can understand ? please go ahead.
Sentential
06-15-05, 04:39 PM
our list of software alone puts information in the hands of dual core owners otherwise unavailable in the single cpu area.
......
Plus our members are very smart and able to odffer fast answers with out a lot of research because we have done most of it already.
Like what software? Are you even sure it works on a Dual-Core, because Im sure as hell not.
Once again. I dont think you realize how different a dual-core system is from a true "duallie". Dual-cores are for all intensive purposes, identical to their single core counterparts.
When you overclock a P4 / A64 dual-core its not like a traditional dually. You dont need special power-supplies. You dont need 2 sets of cooling. You dont need special BIOS commands. You also dont need to overclock each core individually. It doesnt need special RAM (ECC/Registered) etc etc.
It is identical to overclocking their single-core counterparts. Infact the 8xx series is identical to the 6xx series in terms of its application. The stickies you have in the SMP section are wholly tailored to server applications, not current desktops.
..So please Sentennial do not imply I have any personal motive beyond that which i have stated.
SMP rules we could use some action in here LMAO
How else am I supposed to view it as? Sure as hell looks personally motivated to me. :(
I am not here to debate ya ..You are free to diasgree.
A Dual core has a special chipset,Uses a somewhat bigger psu or at least should and like my Xeon does not use special RAM like ECC. And i do not remember ever seeing a Dual CPU having the option to overclock 1 cpu at a time..I do remember ya had to do the same pin mod in 2 sockets but never do i remember having to oc 1 cpu then the other..I hate to boast but look at my sig..Every mod I have is almost identicle to a single board and my over clock is easily as good or better then any 2.4 on the 875 chipset..
Point I have made is simple, a dual core exicutes threads EXACTLY as a dual cpu system,..Same over head same process.That is simply how it is and it cannot function like a single cpu because the hal will not allow it to do so.
Software exicution be it a game or an appp will be forced to process in a symetrical way. I am sorry you do not understand this and think a single cpu and a dual core work alike.It is just not that way Sentential..
You're so smart diehrd... just like the chick in your sig. GENIUS!
Albigger
06-15-05, 05:06 PM
Woah - everyone needs to calm down.
I for the most part agree with Sent and Fishy here - leave things as they are. Moving dual core posts to SMP would eventually leave nothing in the CPU sections.
If concern is about lack of knowledge there is one thing that is inevitably going to happen as dual cores become more mainstream:
the users in the CPU section will become more educated about them, how they work, what boards/chipsets they work on and will create their own stickies.
If those in the SMP section feel the list of software that is multithreaded or list of compatible motherbaords for X2's is important, why not copy the same sticky in the CPU section and share the knowledge. Or at least let some of the information here become the basis of information in the CPU section (i.e. motherboard compatibility lists for the X2 (single socket) would be better off in CPU, and opteron dual core motherboard list would be better off in SMP).
just my $.02
You're so smart diehrd... just like the chick in your sig. GENIUS!
You da man lol..
Albigger
06-15-05, 05:09 PM
Point I have made is simple, a dual core exicutes threads EXACTLY as a dual cpu system,..Same over head same process.That is simply how it is and it cannot function like a single cpu because the hal will not allow it to do so.
Software exicution be it a game or an appp will be forced to process in a symetrical way. I am sorry you do not understand this and think a single cpu and a dual core work alike.It is just not that way Sentential..
Agree with the first part about executing threads the same.
Not so sure about the same overhead though, depending on what you mean by overhead. Surely there will be memory bandwith and latency differences between say a dual xeon and a Pentium D? Although not huge differences, just nitpicking here...
Pretty soon all chips will be multi-cored and I think it will be a PITA for a lot of people and mods if all CPU discussions were moved to SMP.
{PMS}fishy
06-15-05, 05:14 PM
Once again. I dont think you realize how different a dual-core system is from a true "duallie". Dual-cores are for all intensive purposes, identical to their single core counterparts.
When you overclock a P4 / A64 dual-core its not like a traditional dually. You dont need special power-supplies. You dont need 2 sets of cooling. You dont need special BIOS commands. You also dont need to overclock each core individually. It doesnt need special RAM (ECC/Registered) etc etc.
I don't think you understand. The power requirments will be close to the same for a 8XX and a pair of Noconas. A 8XX is nothing more than 2 Prescott dies on the same package. You still need to feed each die juice.
With duals you can't OC each CPU indepentaly either, so that can be thrown out the window.
The type of RAM depends on the chipset, not the CPU.
XEONs can run on unbuffered non-ecc DDR, or Registered RCC DDR. Its up to the chipset. I ran 2 NW based XEONs on TCCD. So Im not sure where you are going here.
This has got to be the worst ****ing contest I have seen in quite some time.
I say we ban dual core discussion on the forums ;)
{PMS}fishy
06-15-05, 05:15 PM
Surely there will be memory bandwith and latency differences between say a dual xeon and a Pentium D? Although not huge differences, just nitpicking here...
Im just guessing here, but seeing as they are two indpendant cores, I don't see how they will have any advantage over a pair of XEONs, other than $ of course.
{PMS}fishy
06-15-05, 05:19 PM
A Dual core has a special chipset,Uses a somewhat bigger psu or at least should and like my Xeon does not use special RAM like ECC. And i do not remember ever seeing a Dual CPU having the option to overclock 1 cpu at a time.
Not really, yes, yes, and yes.
The 955/NF4 chipsets are not special. They are just the first chipsets to offical support dual core CPUs.It is no different than supporting a new revision core, such as the change from Northwood to Prescott, or spitfire to applebred.
You deffinatly need more power for 2 dies, thats something that no one can even try to arguee.
Im with you on the RAM and OCing too.
Some people just don't understand.
godofgorks
06-15-05, 05:25 PM
I say dual core chips for a single socket board should go to single CPU section.
Anything related to boards with two or more sockets and chips to put in those, should be in the SMP section.
Single chip dualcores are more about the chips, SMP is about the whole system.
The X2 and Pentium D are intended as eventual replacements for the Athlon64 and Pentium 4 CPU lines, as eventually these will scale no further. Or perhaps I have my facts mixed up.
My main point is that traditionally SMP has been a place for discussion of multi CPU (as in Central Processing Unit, not cores, not dies, CPU as in a unit for processing irrespective of what is in that said unit) systems. These utilise different boards, often different RAM and have in some cases very different power and cooling needs. A dualcore system is essentially the same as a single CPU system apart from the processing unit itself is different inside. And as such, conventional 1CPU cooling, overclocking and power techniques require minimal alteration to fit dualcore CPUs.
Really, I'm not fussed either way. I'm just stating, and clarifying my opinion.
I say dual core chips for a single socket board should go to single CPU section.
Anything related to boards with two or more sockets and chips to put in those, should be in the SMP section.
Single chip dualcores are more about the chips, SMP is about the whole system.
Ughhh
Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Any one absorb that yet ?
It is not heat sink count or is it socket count,it is the function of any dual core or MULTI CPU system...But who cares ? Put dual cores in Water cooling for all I care as it is apparent we should prevent those posts from easy access to the smp area..
Albigger
06-15-05, 06:13 PM
Ughhh
Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Any one absorb that yet ?
It is not heat sink count or is it socket count,it is the function of any dual core or MULTI CPU system...But who cares ? Put dual cores in Water cooling for all I care as it is apparent we should prevent those posts from easy access to the smp area..
I don't think anyone is disagreeing that dual cores are SMP. However they are also 1 (or more) CPU's (or more dies on one CPU, whatever), and so qualify for either section.
But I still agree with the majority; single socket to cpu section, dual to SMP section. Of course I don't think anyone is going to complain if someone with a single socket dual core comes and posts in the SMP section, I'm just saying it would be extremely difficult to enforce, and has little to no advantages...
zulfy26
06-15-05, 06:21 PM
If dual core were SMP, eventually there would be nothing in the CPU section. (as stated above)
And i also agree that the SMP section is more for motherboards with 2 sockets (also as stated above).
Sentential
06-15-05, 06:50 PM
multi CPU (as in Central Processing Unit, not cores, not dies, CPU as in a unit for processing irrespective of what is in that said unit)
BINGO! I couldnt agree more! :D
greenman100
06-15-05, 07:21 PM
Ughhh
Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Dual core is a SMP system, Any one absorb that yet ?
so then tell me, what will happen to the CPUs (Intel/AMD) section? it'll just die off?
SMP generally handles adapting server technology for overclockers.
other sections handle adapting desktop tech for OCers
fishy: higher watt PSUs may be required for dual core, but not special pinouts like the server PSUs
Goshawk
06-15-05, 07:23 PM
I'm going for them to stay in the SMP area. 2 cores = 2 processors in my view
total agreement here! it is kindof a grey area though if one thinks logically.
They should definatly get they're own section though
~ Gos
{PMS}fishy
06-15-05, 07:28 PM
fishy: higher watt PSUs may be required for dual core, but not special pinouts like the server PSUs
Most server MBs require EPS power supplies, which is a 24/8 pin combo.
The trend with all the 939/775 MBs is going to 24 pin.
There is no difference. Both are now requiring 24 pin PSUs.
Single or Dual core.
LMAO Single cre people dieing to have SMP related Dual core threadfs..So be it.. I think it is funny but will benifit my intrests way more in the end any way LMAo..
Diehrd... your poll has gone down the tubes. Everyone RETRACT YOUR VOTES!!!
SMP had the lead, but then common sense kicked in and you got SHUT DOWN! :clap: :clap:
GO NON-SMP!!! :attn: :attn:
No read the title "SMP users Vote",,Then look at the voters ..Single CPU users LMAO..if ya ask a dual cpu owner who knows SMP he or she will tell ya PUT dual cores in SMP..
No matter ..Soon when dual cores catch on SMP topics will rule the forum and maybe more people who dont know will actually know..
Hey ! !
Nasa had an ad for launch assistant.I have launched about 30 or 40 realtionships in my life so what could be so different from launching some computer controlled space ship ? ? ? So far no one has died from any launch I have been a part of so I have skills Nasa obviously dont :p
I am going down there to get things started .. Peace ..
I could teach you speaking skills if you want. I think you'll need it! :D
WingsofGOD
06-15-05, 09:42 PM
diehrd, no matter if you win or lose this "discussion".. You have the chick in your sig, and we... dont.
No read the title "SMP users Vote",,Then look at the voters ..Single CPU users LMAO..if ya ask a dual cpu owner who knows SMP he or she will tell ya PUT dual cores in SMP..
Really :shrug: :rolleyes:
Well I have never been to this subforum, but this thread got my attention, here is what I think. Members get confused by the way things are right now and creating more subforums would just worsen this problem, and eventually multicore cpus will replace singel cores, so I would leave the dual core cpus in the normal cpu forums, and it's hard to compare these cpus with single core ones and smp pcs because dual core shares an equal amount of simularities to judge it this way (this is my opinion). I think we should leave it alone because new members might now know what SMP means to distinguish it from the cpu section.
edit: I didn't vote, didn't want to get on the anyones nerve.
Funny, I have owned, operated, custom built, and/or supported multi-cpu ("duallie") systems, but because I haven't had a need for one in the past few years my opinion suddenly doesn't count? When did my basic understanding expire? Is it because I don't frequent the section that my opinion is moot? I thought this was a general poll, didn't realize the elitism involved in asking someone for their opinion, then throwing it back in their face because it doesn't fit your expectations.
Hmmm... smells like a lot of condescension in the air.
As someone said early in the thread, we're here to help and most with dual core CPUs will be asking for help in the general CPU sections. One thing to consider is that as all newer processors become dual core, the need for dual CPU PCs is going to drop and SMP may end up being a legacy differentiation. Perhaps that's diehrd's real issue - dinosaur holding on tightly to the remaining rays of light. ;)
For those that need to know - in a private part of the forums diehrd has basically done the exact same thing as he's doing here - only hearing what he wants and belittling everyone who doesn't agree. As a sometimes hot head myself, my making note of this should say something about the inappropriateness of this dialogue and the tone taken by someone who knows better (both in seniority and longevity as a member). Shame on you diehrd. I seriously hope dual cpu systems fade away, because it will do you some good. You're taking this thread and discussion waaay too seriously and personally. It's ONLY A COMPUTER!!
Sentential
06-15-05, 10:53 PM
Really :shrug: :rolleyes:
So I guess you and your buddies should have a say in what happens in this forum and not the rest of us? Sounds fun :rolleyes:
didn't realize the elitism involved in asking someone for their opinion, then throwing it back in their face because it doesn't fit your mold.
Hmmm... smells like a lot of condescension in the air.
^^ Agreed wholly.
godofgorks
06-15-05, 10:54 PM
okay, i just wanted to state my opinion, and not get ridiculed but...
I just feel the even though dual cores ARE SMP, and I understand that, all the SMP is on the chip, where as in SMP the whole system, motherboard/cpus/ram(sometimes) all is speciallized...
My Opinion, this is a poll, don't make a poll and then trash everyones thoughts.
I like the color blue, but I can't like the color blue because the color red is better?
I'm DONE with this thread, I just wanted to give what I thought, sorry for having an opinion.......
EDIT- when I say SMP I think the whole system, and when I think dualcore chip I understand it's SMP but I don't classify it as that... sorry that I use terms that I think and understand that not specify what I mean, that probably where the confusion came from.
EDIT2- My thoughts were expressed in a way to keep cleanliness and order in the forum, not politically correctness......
Don't be sorry. Opinions are necessary, especially for a poll. Facts are one thing, but opinions make it more of a discussion, in my opinion. <-- lol, fits nicely.
So I guess you and your buddies should have a say in what happens in this forum and not the rest of us? Sounds fun :rolleyes:
I think you missed the point of my post. If you look at my sig you will see I am a duallie user and he made it seem that I would back him even though I do not.
LutaWicasa
06-15-05, 11:40 PM
Polls can be a double-edged sword...don't get bent if they don't turn out the way you wanted ;)
Can I get another option for the poll? I would, rather than the 2 offered, have a seperate section all together.
However, logically, to me at least, leave them in the single cpu sections, if it is a dual BOARD/socket system, then bring it in here. Multiple sockets bring in here, single, leave in their most appropriate areas.
Granted, even with that, it should have some leway to it. Sometimes dependant upon the question(s) the thread starter may be asking, even a single SOCKET board/system question may be better here due to the knowledge SMP'rs may have over others who havent done duals.
LutaWicasa
06-16-05, 12:23 AM
This is my post from a thread in the "Blueroom" dealing with this same subject:
Things will likely remain as they are for a while at least. Threads will have to be judged individually as to whether they belong in SMP or the appropriate CPU sections.
Perfect?...no.
Most workable and versatile?...yep ;)
EvlUndrwareNome
06-16-05, 12:30 AM
although they are the same concept they should be seperate categories.
1) Different CPU's
2)Different Motherboards
3)Different Sockets on the motherboards
4)Leans more toward ECC memory, thus being different in memory except some of the xeon boards.
They both use totaly different parts, it would to me be much better where i could go and look at dual core threads without sifting through dual proc threads.
nikhsub1
06-16-05, 01:23 AM
This is my post from a thread in the "Blueroom" dealing with this same subject:
Blueroom? WTH is that? :cool:
There is a blue room? Why did no one tell me this? :eek:
First of all, Luta rules the house. Second of all, this is an extension of a ****ing match elsewhere that resulted in Luta's decision. Third, it is not so much a poll as a "who agrees with me" thread.
With all due respect, and I honestly mean it, this thread is closed.
cw
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