View Full Version : G-Skill's price went down finally!
RedDragonXXX
06-17-05, 05:42 PM
Finally their price has gone down. Now you can get some 1GLA's for the price of $260 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231008) and 1GBLE's are $256 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231006) , NICE :clap:
Time to start saving, if only BF2 wasn't coming out next week :bang head
burningrave101
06-17-05, 08:39 PM
I'd much rather have a gig of G. Skills new 1GBGH sticks which have UTT-BH chips for only $150. In fact i just bought some and i'm in the process of testing them now. They look like their some of the best UTT-BH available from the results other members are having at xtremesystems.
RedDragonXXX
06-18-05, 09:28 AM
I'd much rather have a gig of G. Skills new 1GBGH sticks which have UTT-BH chips for only $150. In fact i just bought some and i'm in the process of testing them now. They look like their some of the best UTT-BH available from the results other members are having at xtremesystems.
UTT's are ok, but they can't compare to TCCD, but when it comes to price they are the best.
Sentential
06-18-05, 10:00 AM
No offense but there are equally as good products from Mushkin and OCZ at a fraction of the price. Gskill = Over-rated.
OrionRU
06-18-05, 10:01 AM
So whats the difference between 1GLA and 1GBLE
Sentential
06-18-05, 10:06 AM
So whats the difference between 1GLA and 1GBLE
Nothing other than binned quality
RedDragonXXX
06-18-05, 10:07 AM
No offense but there are equally as good products from Mushkin and OCZ at a fraction of the price. Gskill = Over-rated.
True, (Mushkin Redline are awsome) but with other manufacturers its a hit or miss for 300MHz. Closest I have seen is with OCZ Pltn Rev2 and XBL's are good also, but are not guaranteed DDR600. I know that G-Skill's arn't guarante neither, but they are the closets your going to get to DDR600 and above.
So whats the difference between 1GLA and 1GBLE
Also 1GBLA's like to run at 2T with higher Freq.
burningrave101
06-18-05, 11:00 AM
UTT's are ok, but they can't compare to TCCD, but when it comes to price they are the best.
How can they not compare to TCCD? Timings are just as important as RAM frequency and with TCCD you'll have to run lax timings to get those higher clocks. Running 250mhz+ 2-2-2-5 will almost always be faster then TCCD at higher speeds with more lax timings. The only real benefit of TCCD is the fact you can achieve those high clocks with not alot of voltage. Athlon 64's benefit very little from more bandwidth and the new Rev E chips dont scale to really high memory clocks very well. A few are able to get them there but usually the memory controller holds you back.
RedDragonXXX
06-18-05, 11:35 AM
How can they not compare to TCCD? Timings are just as important as RAM frequency and with TCCD you'll have to run lax timings to get those higher clocks. Running 250mhz+ 2-2-2-5 will almost always be faster then TCCD at higher speeds with more lax timings. The only real benefit of TCCD is the fact you can achieve those high clocks with not alot of voltage. Athlon 64's benefit very little from more bandwidth and the new Rev E chips dont scale to really high memory clocks very well. A few are able to get them there but usually the memory controller holds you back.
TCCD's are the best OC'ing RAM cause they can achive high clocks without using dividers and they run with low voltages and get extremely high bandwith. To achive 250MHz+ with 2-2-2-5 with UTT you will need to feed it some serious volts, which in most cases many people are not able since they are limited by their mobo and they are required to volt mod or get OCZ booster.
UTT is the next best thing to TCCD's.
man_utd
06-18-05, 01:15 PM
Ehhh... but you DO have access to the volts needed
burningrave101
06-18-05, 11:03 PM
TCCD's are the best OC'ing RAM cause they can achive high clocks without using dividers and they run with low voltages and get extremely high bandwith. To achive 250MHz+ with 2-2-2-5 with UTT you will need to feed it some serious volts, which in most cases many people are not able since they are limited by their mobo and they are required to volt mod or get OCZ booster.
UTT is the next best thing to TCCD's.
Dividers dont impact performance because even 1:1 is still using a divider. There is really no such thing as 1:1 with an Athlon 64 because the memory clock is obtained from a divider used against the speed of the processor. Your never running "in-sync" so to speak even at 1:1.
The DFI NF4 board is easily the most popular NF4 board available and most overclockers go for it because of its tweakability and voltage options. If your limit yourself to a board that has a max vDDR of 2.85V then no you shouldn't bother with BH-5 or CH-5 style memory. The new Venice/San Diego cores dont really care for high clocks and TCCD though and seem to perform better with UTT based modules. I know my OCZ PC3200 Platinum Rev2 TCCD doesn't run well with my 3200+ Venice and i've switched to UTT-BH G. Skill 1GBGH.
Yes, I have heard of a number of problems with TCCD and the E-Cores. On my Winchester however, TCCD and high clocks work very nicely. I get faster Super Pi times with 9x280 ram at 280 3-4-4-8 than I do with 9x282 ram at 231 (166 divider) 2-3-3-6.
Reefa_Madness
06-18-05, 11:32 PM
I'm still looking for that magical bh5 that will run 275-280 at 2-2-2-5 with only 3.4v!
You guys running TCCD don't happen to have any extra lying around your desk that you're not using, do you? :)
No, Reefa, you"re the one with the ram collection. You should check under your desk maybe it fell there. :)
RedDragonXXX
06-19-05, 10:32 AM
Dividers dont impact performance because even 1:1 is still using a divider. There is really no such thing as 1:1 with an Athlon 64 because the memory clock is obtained from a divider used against the speed of the processor. Your never running "in-sync" so to speak even at 1:1.
The DFI NF4 board is easily the most popular NF4 board available and most overclockers go for it because of its tweakability and voltage options. If your limit yourself to a board that has a max vDDR of 2.85V then no you shouldn't bother with BH-5 or CH-5 style memory. The new Venice/San Diego cores dont really care for high clocks and TCCD though and seem to perform better with UTT based modules. I know my OCZ PC3200 Platinum Rev2 TCCD doesn't run well with my 3200+ Venice and i've switched to UTT-BH G. Skill 1GBGH.
I was referring to 9:10, 5:6... dividers and with UTT you are forced to use them if you want a high OC, especially with the popular LBBLE's (3000 and 3200) which have low multiplier. I'm not a big fan of UTT's because they require such a high voltages to run at high freq which in return literary kill your RAM. When I see UTT hit DDR560 or 540 with 3.2V or lower I'm jumping on the wagon, till then I'm sticking with the TCCD.
There's no harm in running 3.4vdimm 24/7 with a fan over it, so what's the big deal? I'd much rather have 260-270 2-2-2, than 275-285 2.5-3-3....
So people can get 270MHz at 2-2-2? 250-260 ok no problem. 270 though?
If I was in the market for RAM I'd love to get some of this stuff. 2.5-4-4-10 @ 300MHz stock (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227208).
reddywing1
06-19-05, 01:54 PM
There's no harm in running 3.4vdimm 24/7 with a fan over it, so what's the big deal? I'd much rather have 260-270 2-2-2, than 275-285 2.5-3-3....
If those are the limits then I would think TCCD is a waste also. But I have yet to see UTT that can hit 270 @ 2-2-2 or good TCCD that can't run over 285 2.5-3-3.
I think the race is more like 250-260 2-2-2 compared with 290-300 2.5-3-3. In that range the TCCD is going to win in bandwidth war and have low voltage also. The bandwidth race, however, will be close which makes UTT the best bang for the buck. Still, G.Skill TCCD prices just went down so even in a cost war there is no clear winner.
burningrave101
06-19-05, 10:22 PM
I was referring to 9:10, 5:6... dividers and with UTT you are forced to use them if you want a high OC, especially with the popular LBBLE's (3000 and 3200) which have low multiplier. I'm not a big fan of UTT's because they require such a high voltages to run at high freq which in return literary kill your RAM. When I see UTT hit DDR560 or 540 with 3.2V or lower I'm jumping on the wagon, till then I'm sticking with the TCCD.
So what if you use a 9:10 or 5:6 divider? RAM speed doesn't mean jack with overall system performance on an Athlon 64. Overclocking the RAM will just give you a small performance boost that will most likely never be noticeable outside of a few points in benchmarks. A system running around 240-250Mhz 2-2-2-5 is going to bench almost the same as one running 300Mhz 2.5-3-3-7. One again, CPU speed is all that really matters. More bandwidth doesn't mean much to a dual channel A64 that doesn't need it.
There is a good chance you could get 260Mhz+ on 3.2V with good UTT-BH. I've seen some pretty high clocks on OCZ PC3200 Gold and G.Skill PC3200 GH.
There's no harm in running 3.4vdimm 24/7 with a fan over it, so what's the big deal? I'd much rather have 260-270 2-2-2, than 275-285 2.5-3-3....
I believe that is like saying there is no harm in smoking. The effects are not immediate so people thought for years there was no harm done. However, over time the effects are deadly. I don't think UTT is not worth the risks for the supposed gain, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Capt_Caveman
06-19-05, 11:51 PM
I thought about going the DFI nf4-Ultra and Mushkin Redline route but reading over at xs, it has even been admitted by DFI that that their boards have fried or killed ram when going over 3.3v. Even though the board and ram would be warranted, I have no desire to have to rma and have no pc for several weeks.
Eldonko
06-20-05, 01:21 AM
No offense but there are equally as good products from Mushkin and OCZ at a fraction of the price. Gskill = Over-rated.I wouldn't say GSkill LA and LE TCCD is over rated. Sure OCZ has better customer service and cheaper prices, but if you look at the top RAM clocks around at the moment (~DDR640), the majority of the sets doing these speeds are GSkills. Whats better than getting 305-310Mhz at 2.5-3-3? Nothing. Thats why you pay the $$, for the few extra Mhz.
deception``
06-20-05, 01:37 AM
I thought about going the DFI nf4-Ultra and Mushkin Redline route but reading over at xs, it has even been admitted by DFI that that their boards have fried or killed ram when going over 3.3v. Even though the board and ram would be warranted, I have no desire to have to rma and have no pc for several weeks.
Wrong. To this day, there is no conclusive evidence that the DFI NF4 is at fault for the bad memory. Nonetheless, it goes without question that people familiar to the situation are looking at this closely. Before you make such comments, keep in mind that there are a number of individuals who have yet to experience such problems, myself included.
deception``
Wrong. To this day, there is no conclusive evidence that the DFI NF4 is at fault for the bad memory. Nonetheless, it goes without question that people familiar to the situation are looking at this closely. Before you make such comments, keep in mind that there are a number of individuals who have yet to experience such problems, myself included.
deception``
I f that doesn't sound like a 1960's press release from the tobacco industry I don't know what does. I believe the key operative word here is "yet". Furthermore, even if you never have problems the only thing that proves is you are lucky. The simple compelling logic is that high voltage kills ram.
Capt_Caveman
06-20-05, 07:52 AM
Wrong. To this day, there is no conclusive evidence that the DFI NF4 is at fault for the bad memory. Nonetheless, it goes without question that people familiar to the situation are looking at this closely. Before you make such comments, keep in mind that there are a number of individuals who have yet to experience such problems, myself included.
deception``
You're not going to have the problem b/c you're not pushing high dimm voltages w/ your ram.
Here's just one link to the problem:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=63932
And obviously not every board and person is going to have this problem, but enough folks have reported and rma'd their boards and memory to tell me not to change the ram voltage to +5v on a DFI board. We're talking about about going to extreme's with voltage, which by that fact could lead to issues.
I had ordered a DFI nF4-Ultra and planned to use my TCCD memory but canceled when I could get the silent Asus A8N-Sli Premium and heard folks were getting 300+mhz 1T.
burningrave101
06-20-05, 08:50 AM
I f that doesn't sound like a 1960's press release from the tobacco industry I don't know what does. I believe the key operative word here is "yet". Furthermore, even if you never have problems the only thing that proves is you are lucky. The simple compelling logic is that high voltage kills ram.
If your not using a crazy amount of voltage and you have active cooling on the RAM then the chances of voltage killing it before the RAM is long retired isn't that great, especially if its BH style RAM. The majority of sticks that have died were UTT-CH based sticks. Very few people have lost UTT-BH sticks. Just use the 3.3V jumper and if you need a little more then 3.2V then raise the +3.3V rail on your PSU. The OCZ PowerStreams make this a simple process and then your not shooting +5V through your board. You can usually hit 250Mhz 2-2-2-5 with 3.1-3.2V on UTT-BH if its the good stuff like G.Skill GH.
RedDragonXXX
06-20-05, 09:37 AM
I believe that is like saying there is no harm in smoking. The effects are not immediate so people thought for years there was no harm done. However, over time the effects are deadly. I don't think UTT is not worth the risks for the supposed gain, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
My point exactly rseven.
crimedog
06-20-05, 10:03 AM
Awesome, haven't seen a bh5/utt vs tccd thread in quite a while! Time to beat that horse!
There are situations where either is clearly better. For example on a dfi nf3/4 board you will want bh5/utt. If you want the best, that's it. You must run high vdimm, you must actively cool the ram and the board, but it's the best. If it's not worth it to you than fine, you're just not extreme enough.
If you're running an amd64 board without enough vdimm, or if you're an intel owner you want tccd because you can run high speeds, and intel doesn't care much about timings.
Refusing to run high voltages is personal preferance. Not buying a chip with a high enough multi is your mistake. Not wanting to run with a divider is just silly.
There is no proof that the 5v jumper kills anything. For every person complaining about it there are 5 who have been running the jumper 24/7. The guy who made that thread at XS is just looking for a pat on the head. All that really happened was the tech support realized that this kid should not be messing with the 5v jumper because he didn't know what he was doing. I'm not saying that the dfi nf4 is bulletproof because dfi makes the most tempermental products out there. They overclock like crazy right up to the point where they die. But we're talking about simple voltage adjustments so anyone who blames that gets ignored by me.
RedDragonXXX
06-20-05, 10:15 AM
All these posts about UTT's make me want to get some Mushkin Redlines and see how they stack up against my TCC5, even though they are not the best OC'er (290MHz highest). Heck for $145 I might just do it.
I read here alot about the 3000 amd64 with the batch
code - LBBLE - . How do you go about buying that coded
chip? On all the venders web sites that is not a option.
Thanks
Eldonko
06-20-05, 05:53 PM
I read here alot about the 3000 amd64 with the batch
code - LBBLE - . How do you go about buying that coded
chip? On all the venders web sites that is not a option.
ThanksYou go to the store and if you are lucky they may let you hand pick a chip.
windwithme
06-28-05, 02:57 AM
in newegg
NEWEGG (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Manufactory=8476&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&description=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&SubCategory=147&Submit=Property)
1GBFR DDR600 2T $235.00
1GBGH DDR400 2 2-2-5 $147.01 BH5
GSKILL 1GBFF.LA.FR.LE.LC.LD is SAMSUNG TCCD not TCC5 :p
Heres 'balls to the wall' pure speed comparo....
tccd @335 and +100mhz on cpu with 3.1V >< bh-5@271 with 3.6V....
http://img286.echo.cx/img286/4949/superpi9ks.jpg
http://img286.echo.cx/img286/7011/superpi28tn.jpg
Hmm not sure what to make of the test from a RAM p.o.v. It seems the test with the tccd, in which the cpu is running 100MHz faster, is fractionally faster than the test with the BH5. Pretty much what you would expect from Super Pi.
HousERaT
06-28-05, 08:13 AM
I think that pretty much sums up the superiority of low latancy..... 100mhz less on the cpu clock and almost the same time....... You should do a comparison at the same clock speed just to see what the difference is if any...... ;)
As I stated about two posts up, I didn't think that this was a significant find (dumo's test, that is) but when I tried it myself, I got about 1 whole second slower on superpi when I tested at 2700MHz and 2600MHz. All RAM timings were the same. So I guess HousERat is correct, low latencies rule (on super pi, on the AMD64 platform).
AM3....245 and 313
http://img141.echo.cx/img141/6281/screenshot1271it.jpg
http://img141.echo.cx/img141/3033/screenshot1284ok.jpg
burningrave101
06-28-05, 03:02 PM
AM3....245 and 313
http://img141.echo.cx/img141/6281/screenshot1271it.jpg
http://img141.echo.cx/img141/3033/screenshot1284ok.jpg
You dont suppose that has anything to do with the fact that the FX-55 with the higher score is overclocked a little higher then the other do you?
At the end of the day lower frequencies with tighter timings are going to give you relatively the same exact performance if not a little better then higher speeds and more lax timings and outside of benchmarks you'll never notice the difference.
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