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RedDragonXXX

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Finally their price has gone down. Now you can get some 1GLA's for the price of $260 and 1GBLE's are $256 , NICE :clap:

Time to start saving, if only BF2 wasn't coming out next week :bang head
 
I'd much rather have a gig of G. Skills new 1GBGH sticks which have UTT-BH chips for only $150. In fact i just bought some and i'm in the process of testing them now. They look like their some of the best UTT-BH available from the results other members are having at xtremesystems.
 
burningrave101 said:
I'd much rather have a gig of G. Skills new 1GBGH sticks which have UTT-BH chips for only $150. In fact i just bought some and i'm in the process of testing them now. They look like their some of the best UTT-BH available from the results other members are having at xtremesystems.

UTT's are ok, but they can't compare to TCCD, but when it comes to price they are the best.
 
No offense but there are equally as good products from Mushkin and OCZ at a fraction of the price. Gskill = Over-rated.
 
Sentential said:
No offense but there are equally as good products from Mushkin and OCZ at a fraction of the price. Gskill = Over-rated.

True, (Mushkin Redline are awsome) but with other manufacturers its a hit or miss for 300MHz. Closest I have seen is with OCZ Pltn Rev2 and XBL's are good also, but are not guaranteed DDR600. I know that G-Skill's arn't guarante neither, but they are the closets your going to get to DDR600 and above.

So whats the difference between 1GLA and 1GBLE

Also 1GBLA's like to run at 2T with higher Freq.
 
RedDragonXXX said:
UTT's are ok, but they can't compare to TCCD, but when it comes to price they are the best.

How can they not compare to TCCD? Timings are just as important as RAM frequency and with TCCD you'll have to run lax timings to get those higher clocks. Running 250mhz+ 2-2-2-5 will almost always be faster then TCCD at higher speeds with more lax timings. The only real benefit of TCCD is the fact you can achieve those high clocks with not alot of voltage. Athlon 64's benefit very little from more bandwidth and the new Rev E chips dont scale to really high memory clocks very well. A few are able to get them there but usually the memory controller holds you back.
 
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burningrave101 said:
How can they not compare to TCCD? Timings are just as important as RAM frequency and with TCCD you'll have to run lax timings to get those higher clocks. Running 250mhz+ 2-2-2-5 will almost always be faster then TCCD at higher speeds with more lax timings. The only real benefit of TCCD is the fact you can achieve those high clocks with not alot of voltage. Athlon 64's benefit very little from more bandwidth and the new Rev E chips dont scale to really high memory clocks very well. A few are able to get them there but usually the memory controller holds you back.

TCCD's are the best OC'ing RAM cause they can achive high clocks without using dividers and they run with low voltages and get extremely high bandwith. To achive 250MHz+ with 2-2-2-5 with UTT you will need to feed it some serious volts, which in most cases many people are not able since they are limited by their mobo and they are required to volt mod or get OCZ booster.

UTT is the next best thing to TCCD's.
 
RedDragonXXX said:
TCCD's are the best OC'ing RAM cause they can achive high clocks without using dividers and they run with low voltages and get extremely high bandwith. To achive 250MHz+ with 2-2-2-5 with UTT you will need to feed it some serious volts, which in most cases many people are not able since they are limited by their mobo and they are required to volt mod or get OCZ booster.

UTT is the next best thing to TCCD's.

Dividers dont impact performance because even 1:1 is still using a divider. There is really no such thing as 1:1 with an Athlon 64 because the memory clock is obtained from a divider used against the speed of the processor. Your never running "in-sync" so to speak even at 1:1.

The DFI NF4 board is easily the most popular NF4 board available and most overclockers go for it because of its tweakability and voltage options. If your limit yourself to a board that has a max vDDR of 2.85V then no you shouldn't bother with BH-5 or CH-5 style memory. The new Venice/San Diego cores dont really care for high clocks and TCCD though and seem to perform better with UTT based modules. I know my OCZ PC3200 Platinum Rev2 TCCD doesn't run well with my 3200+ Venice and i've switched to UTT-BH G. Skill 1GBGH.
 
Yes, I have heard of a number of problems with TCCD and the E-Cores. On my Winchester however, TCCD and high clocks work very nicely. I get faster Super Pi times with 9x280 ram at 280 3-4-4-8 than I do with 9x282 ram at 231 (166 divider) 2-3-3-6.
 
I'm still looking for that magical bh5 that will run 275-280 at 2-2-2-5 with only 3.4v!

You guys running TCCD don't happen to have any extra lying around your desk that you're not using, do you? :)
 
burningrave101 said:
Dividers dont impact performance because even 1:1 is still using a divider. There is really no such thing as 1:1 with an Athlon 64 because the memory clock is obtained from a divider used against the speed of the processor. Your never running "in-sync" so to speak even at 1:1.

The DFI NF4 board is easily the most popular NF4 board available and most overclockers go for it because of its tweakability and voltage options. If your limit yourself to a board that has a max vDDR of 2.85V then no you shouldn't bother with BH-5 or CH-5 style memory. The new Venice/San Diego cores dont really care for high clocks and TCCD though and seem to perform better with UTT based modules. I know my OCZ PC3200 Platinum Rev2 TCCD doesn't run well with my 3200+ Venice and i've switched to UTT-BH G. Skill 1GBGH.

I was referring to 9:10, 5:6... dividers and with UTT you are forced to use them if you want a high OC, especially with the popular LBBLE's (3000 and 3200) which have low multiplier. I'm not a big fan of UTT's because they require such a high voltages to run at high freq which in return literary kill your RAM. When I see UTT hit DDR560 or 540 with 3.2V or lower I'm jumping on the wagon, till then I'm sticking with the TCCD.
 
There's no harm in running 3.4vdimm 24/7 with a fan over it, so what's the big deal? I'd much rather have 260-270 2-2-2, than 275-285 2.5-3-3....
 
ap673 said:
There's no harm in running 3.4vdimm 24/7 with a fan over it, so what's the big deal? I'd much rather have 260-270 2-2-2, than 275-285 2.5-3-3....

If those are the limits then I would think TCCD is a waste also. But I have yet to see UTT that can hit 270 @ 2-2-2 or good TCCD that can't run over 285 2.5-3-3.

I think the race is more like 250-260 2-2-2 compared with 290-300 2.5-3-3. In that range the TCCD is going to win in bandwidth war and have low voltage also. The bandwidth race, however, will be close which makes UTT the best bang for the buck. Still, G.Skill TCCD prices just went down so even in a cost war there is no clear winner.
 
RedDragonXXX said:
I was referring to 9:10, 5:6... dividers and with UTT you are forced to use them if you want a high OC, especially with the popular LBBLE's (3000 and 3200) which have low multiplier. I'm not a big fan of UTT's because they require such a high voltages to run at high freq which in return literary kill your RAM. When I see UTT hit DDR560 or 540 with 3.2V or lower I'm jumping on the wagon, till then I'm sticking with the TCCD.

So what if you use a 9:10 or 5:6 divider? RAM speed doesn't mean jack with overall system performance on an Athlon 64. Overclocking the RAM will just give you a small performance boost that will most likely never be noticeable outside of a few points in benchmarks. A system running around 240-250Mhz 2-2-2-5 is going to bench almost the same as one running 300Mhz 2.5-3-3-7. One again, CPU speed is all that really matters. More bandwidth doesn't mean much to a dual channel A64 that doesn't need it.

There is a good chance you could get 260Mhz+ on 3.2V with good UTT-BH. I've seen some pretty high clocks on OCZ PC3200 Gold and G.Skill PC3200 GH.
 
ap673 said:
There's no harm in running 3.4vdimm 24/7 with a fan over it, so what's the big deal? I'd much rather have 260-270 2-2-2, than 275-285 2.5-3-3....
I believe that is like saying there is no harm in smoking. The effects are not immediate so people thought for years there was no harm done. However, over time the effects are deadly. I don't think UTT is not worth the risks for the supposed gain, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
 
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