View Full Version : New Watercool kit burned my 2 different AMD chips????
.... I dont knwo what to say :(
I'm completetly upset and sad at the same time!!! I dont know what did i do wrong but my Atlon 1.4 and my Tbird 900 burned today (my first day running the system with my new kit from becooling) first the system wouldnt run with my 1.4 i tried many times:
1. the waterpump was running.
2. both of my fans were blowing and sucking air to my Cube radiator.
3.I used Artic Silver II on both cpus
4. I did made sure that there was no air on the system. (took me along time :( but got it out :) )
after i was sure all those steps were ok i went ahead and turned on my system.... No image on the screen at all. (tried different times and nothing.
Then i put my Tbird 900mhz... same thing no image on the monitor. After no results i didnt know what to do so went i got my mom's Duron 700 put it on my system with a regular HSF and it worked. After seen it worked with the HSF i grabbed both of my chips and tried to start the system using both chips with a regular HSF and nothing :(
I took my chips and tried them on my mom's KT7-R and nothing. :(
By the motherboard i was using was a KG7-R and both chips were running before i put in the Watercool kit!
So i can only think that both of my chips are burned .....
....... A really bad feeling let me tell you :(
Naeleros
10-07-01, 10:50 PM
Alas.. this is one of the dangers. Your prognosis sounds probable. I can't imagine what you did wrong based on your description.. but, suffice it to say that something isn't right. On my first TBird.. I chipped the core when I initially setup my watercooler and ruind the CPU.
Definitely a risk that needs to be taken seriously.
James
The thing is .... That now i'm affraid to put a different chip there now (atleast with the watercool kit) I do not know what did i do wrong.... And dont know what to do now :(
There is a good chance you were not making good contact... did you check that beofr you started. Also if your using the becooling that means you are using a jagged edge block with that holdown... did you check and see if you chipped the cores or crushed them... the slightest nick will ruin them?
The Becooling holddown sucks the big one.
It broke the lugs off of two of my boards, one before running it and the other one when it was running. I heard it let go and saw the waterblock move but it was too late, my 1.0 TBird was dead. I would check the lugs to see if they cracked. some times they don't look like they are broke.
What you need to do is use is the 4 hold down bolt holes on the motherboard. to hold the wateblock in place.
hm... i'm looking at the chips now and the core seems to be ok (no chips *that i can see*) and i upgraded the clamp that comes with the kit for the Lexan Clamp ---> http://becooling.safeshopper.com/6/58.htm?965.
One thing i'll have to mention which i dont know if it'll matter or not is that i did click the cores of both cpus with Alcohol before putting them on the board, Dont know if that will cuase the cpu not to work :confused:
And the other thing that i was thinking was that if they did get burned shouldnt they atleast show on the monitor booting up and eventually die? if the answer is yes then mines didnt show anything at all on the screen, untill i put my mom's Duron and the machine booted up just fine!
Wondering if i should put the Watercool kit on my scooner now? :(
fatshlink
10-08-01, 12:33 AM
I use intels, but i THOUGHT that amd's took about 10 sec whith no coolng to fry, i would have thought that the monitor would come up... but i may be wrong
Really strange :(
Then WTF was this kit doing that both cpus friend in matter of seconds, if they did burned!
:(
ok try this, clean the chip again then use a Eraser to clean all of the core and top of the chip rub it all over L1, L2, and so on. Maybe there is something shorting it out.
It's just a idea. so give it a try.
Is alcohol ok to clean it ?
Alcohol is ok.. i do it all the time.. it takes a second for those tbirds to fry. When i fried my first 1.4ghz it took 3 seconds. i got no picture at all. Smell the core. If they burned they will smell aweful.. i have smelled it to many times:D That could be what happened.
Yes you can use it, but try the eraser thingy too. It takes ASII off and you will never know it was there.
ok i just got back from work and i'm about to start cleaning both cpus with alcohol and an eraser :) eventhough i dont want to get too excited :(
Cleaned them both they look brand new LOL but still nothing.... I give up they're just dead, whatever happend it already did, eventhought i dont know what made this 2 cpus to burn.
Thank you all for your help....
Pablissimo
10-08-01, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by MeJa
Cleaned them both they look brand new LOL but still nothing.... I give up they're just dead, whatever happend it already did, eventhought i dont know what made this 2 cpus to burn.
Thank you all for your help....
It may have been raised before, and perhaps I aint read anything above this =))) but are you possibly overtaxing a low wattage PSU? That would cause no display or boot, but would keep any pumps working...
foxmulder
10-08-01, 05:16 PM
IF you had the waterblock on good it would probably take the CPU more than 10 seconds to fry since the copper block itself would take a while to heat up
Owenator
10-08-01, 08:27 PM
MeJa,
I feel for ya brother! I crushed another Duron this last weekend! It was my Duron 800 too! I could get it to 1064MHz (8 x 133)! What is it that Homer Simpson says, Doh! I burn't one and this is my second crush job ( yeah I'm an idiot or maybe just unlucky!) The one thing I can say is that I don't ever spend more than 60 to 80 bucks on a cpu, and I always keep a spare! My current spare is a Duron 700 I got up to 933 (7x133). The temps are too high with my latest water block 43C idle 48C load. I am not sure if the room is too ware 26C inside the case? I am leary about applying more pressure to my hold down bolts after my latest kill. Hang in there man! There is a computer show this weekend in my town so it's time to buy another cheap duron cpu andback in the saddle again! When you mess with the overclocking bull sometimes you have steak sometimes you get the horns! BTW I saw a Duron 1000 at Access Micro for $72 if your interested.
O
Sorry for all the western metaphors! :)
mcrites
10-08-01, 09:00 PM
I finally got my proc and kg7 working with the maze 2. I burnt a cpu due to high temps with this block, and I think I figured out why: contact. The last proc I had, I took a leap of faith and pressed real hard on both sides of the block with my fingers, tightened down the nuts to make the pressure even on both sides, and now I can get 34C idle in the bios. So just make sure that you have the best contact you can have on that core, esp if you are using the maze 2 mounting system.
fuzzba11
10-08-01, 09:26 PM
Yeah, I think there might be one good explanation for all this...."Crunch." (see sig :( ) I was extra careful putting my waterblock on my duron, and previously my 1.4 was running fine, but was missing two of the feet, on top, guess it was just too much pressure, the second time.
Owenator: yea i know chief but the worst is that i didnt even got to boot up :( so i couldnt run it at regular neither o/c speed.
Now that you guys mention pressure i'm pretty sure i did tided up all 4 bolts pretty hard. So that's the only thing i could think damaged both chips :(
Now i'm just concerned on putting another chip in there and burn it or damage it again :( dont know what to do....:confused:
I do thank you all for taking the time to help me out... and btw i'm going tomorrow (Tuesday) to buy another chip Duron or Tbird depending on what prices i get .... :) dont know if i'll be using the watercool kit or back to a regular HSF cant spent more money on cpus :(
Warlord2
10-08-01, 10:57 PM
Im not that familier with the becooling blocks but did you check to see if the block was flat?
you may try lapping it on a peace of glass
also once you clamp the block on the cpu give it a little nug just to see if its on there good
if you want to see if your making good contact you can put the block on and thin take it off to see if the cpu codes are imprinted on the block
also what powersupple did you use and where the radiator fans on the same psu as your cpu
those things draw alot and that could be why your not booting
also clear the cmos
Warlord: the whole watercool kit is from becooling and is this on (just in case you want to see it) http://becooling.safeshopper.com/3/55.htm?965
The waterblock is flat and already lapped till a really mirror finish.
And i did upgrade the waterblock clamp that comes with the kit for this one ---> http://becooling.safeshopper.com/6/58.htm?965
As far as the power supply i have an Enermax 450Wtts and the 2 120mms fans for the radiator i have them running directly from one of the PS Molex connectors.
Any suggestions?
Warlord2
10-08-01, 11:44 PM
the psu doesnt sound like its the problem
did you check to see if you made good contact with the cpu?
if you want to see if your making good contact you can put the block on and thin take it off to see if the cpu codes are imprinted on the block
Im pretty sure you killed your cpus but Im just trying to see why so you dont do it again
yea i know i dont want it to happend again :( i dont have money to spend on cpus :(
I havent check if its making good contact with the cpu, i dont have a cpu anymore LOL but defannetely will have to, tomorrow once i get anotherone ...
But one thing i that i had in mind when i was putting the waterblock clamp was how do i do how tide or how much too screw on each corner/screw of the clamp i have ? :(
my question is, why are most "professional" waterblock clamps designed with four independant bolts?? the chances of uneven pressure are huge.
im watercooling on the cheap, i built my own waterblock(here (http://www.geocities.com/biztyke1/block.html)) and im using a heater core as a radiator. at first, my clamp was a regular hsf clamp with some elastic bands(i know....stupid, but hey....it worked). lately i made my own clamp, which used 2 of the four holes on the mobo, three bolts and a piece of steel. id post a pic, but cant find my camcorder(via vid in/frame cap). but the point, is that my clamp used only one bolt.....right in the center on the block, which is right in the center of the cpu core. there is no way for uneven pressure on the core....its directed on the center of it. ive removed and reattached the waterblock many times with this, and ive always used quite a bit of pressure.....its always worked just fine.
these four bolt designs are rather stupid IMO.....even with the springs.
this (http://overclockers.com/tips192/) guy has the right idea......centers the force right in the middle of the core, no way to have uneven contact.
Warlord2
10-09-01, 04:20 PM
the 4 screw holes and the springs make it pretty flat
one reason they use it is because the clips where the cpu sits some times break causing your cpu to fry
they also use the 4 screw hole method because its easy to attach a pelt
Praetorian
10-09-01, 04:39 PM
Hey guys. I'm a n00b here, but not to computers and I happen to see that you were able to get the 700 to work with a regular HSF and that your problems started when you began using the water cooling.
Can I ask a silly question here...doesn't the KG7 board require a HSF on fan header 1 for the board to fire up? I mean, I thought all ABIT boards since the KT7 required a fan on the 1st header....maybe you used the correct header with your mom's CPU but not the 900 and 1.4 chips. Maybe it's just a case of the mobo thinking there's no HSF...try it. Good luck!
Praetorian: Yea after all my frustration i did think of that :( but no luck at all (good point you had there thouh) i even put the water cool kit on (waterblock) and plug a HSF to FAN1 and hold the fan on my hand... turned on my system and nothing, no image, no boot. Strange but true hehe :(
At least i have something to be happy about today... that is that i took my 1.4ghz to the store where i got it from and was able to do a RMA exchange ;) But unfortunatly i lost the receipt for the Tbird 900 :(
They didnt have the 1.4 in stuck but they did give me a credit :) so that chear me up a bit.... eventhough i still doubt about the water system though :(
Warlord2
10-09-01, 06:08 PM
get a maze2 and all your cooling problems will be solved:D
But is the Waterblock hte actual problem :(
Warlord2
10-09-01, 08:05 PM
well as long as you have good airflow through radiator
good waterflow
no air
good contact
motherboard that is reliable
I donno what else could be the problem
you said the tbirds where working with the hsf
I would clean the waterblock off
clean the cpu off
put some fresh as2 on
and try.......
if there was even a hire between the block and the cpu that could of coursed the burn
by the way does the cpu smell burned?
TOMATOMAN
10-09-01, 09:07 PM
Try this install the bronken CPU than take the watre block of and see if there is a inprint of the core on the water block to make sure u had contact.
I dont know what could be the problem eitgher :(
Tomatoman: the Duron i trew it away last night and the Athlon got exchanged today ;) but i have to admit that i'm afraid of using the watercool kit again :(
TOMATOMAN
10-09-01, 11:36 PM
Should not throw away prosecors they make great keychains :}
I know ;)
I had already broken in half before i remember i could've used it as a keychain :(
Hopefully i wont get to use teh new chip as a keychain though :)
xCarne_Asada
10-10-01, 01:07 AM
That just plain sucks.
woodenman80
10-10-01, 11:56 AM
The becooling block you are using is absouloutely fine there is no need to change it for a maze 2 water block its just more cash spent, unless there is obvious damage to the block etc..
Im using the Be block and Lexan clamp and personally they are pretty damn great :). Ive also got a maze 2 block and ive tested them on the same system and found a 1-0.5C differance the becooling block being better......
Woodenman
Duron 750 oc 1000
512mb 133 cas2 crucial ram
geforce ddr
40.9gb fujitsu hd
Sblive 5.1
Completely water cooled !0! fans (Passive cooling only)
20C idle
24C full load (well 3hrs of quake 3)
Your problem my not be the water block at all....Did you plug in a fan onto the MB? The Abit KG7-R has a bios setting for detecting if a CPU fan is present. If this setting is turned on the system will not boot unless it detects a fan. I have this board and had this same problem. Use you water cooled setup but just plug a fan into the MB CPU connect and leave it laying loose until you can get into the BIOS and turn off the CPU fan detect feature. One other problem I had with my board was with the Ram. I have 2X256 of DDR. I installed them in slots 1 & 2....No boot. I installed the ram in slots 3 & 4 and it works. Give these a try before you try to return your CPUs.
ve6jhc: Yea as you can see on my previous page i did what you just mentioned about turning on the pc with the fan connected to fan1 (holding it on my hand) but nothing :( I guess i will tried again eventhough i still have no idea what may had caused the damage to my cpus.
Woodenman:
How do you know when all 4 screws are tided up evenly? maybe like the other guys mentioned the damaged may had been caused by either too much or uneven pressure :(
I read that...Did you try clearing your BIOS settings? What about my memory tip? Where are your DDR sticks?
I was just looking in my KG7 manual....Look on page 2-9. The CPU fan is to connected to fan 4 not fan 1. Maybe it's that simple!
The DDR is not the problem in fact i did had the problem when i first builded the system and did the same as you put my 2 256 one 1 and 2, and my machine actually booted up and gave me a memory error and it actually said to place ddrs starting from Dimm4 ;)
Thanks for helping ;)
oh really? that's pretty stranged though :confused:
I had my system before running with a crappy Coolermaster Heatsink connected to Fan1 and it was working..... I'm getting all confused lol
You just have to love computers.....Only with computers does 4 come before 1!!
I will try that then ;)
I'll be getting my RMA cpu replacement soon hopefully i wont burn it or damage it :) i'll do as you tell me... Fan 4 :)
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