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Okay, on the face of it this sounds like a dumb thread, but let me explain. My ram only performs well with 2.85 vdimm which is the most my board can deliver.(The pqi stock voltage is 2.80) I also understand that tccd does not like high voltage. I do not want to get crazy and give it 3.5 volts. I'm just thinking that if going from 2.8 to 2.85 made a big difference then perhaps 2.9 or 2.95 might yield even more results. I'm not sure I'll do it as I'm thinking of getting a dfi board in a few months, but I was just wondering what everyone thought of this idea.
NinjaZX6R
07-13-05, 09:37 AM
Okay, on the face of it this sounds like a dumb thread, but let me explain. My ram only performs well with 2.85 vdimm which is the most my board can deliver.(The pqi stock voltage is 2.80) I also understand that tccd does not like high voltage. I do not want to get crazy and give it 3.5 volts. I'm just thinking that if going from 2.8 to 2.85 made a big difference then perhaps 2.9 or 2.95 might yield even more results. I'm not sure I'll do it as I'm thinking of getting a dfi board in a few months, but I was just wondering what everyone thought of this idea.
Hey Buddy!
Glock19owner used to use a DDR booster with his TCCD ram. While most people say that TCCD does not like high voltage, there are some sets that do. The newer TCC5 definately does. For running over 300mhz HTT, I always had to use 2.9-3.0 volts on my patriot TCCD. So, I think you may benefit from this. But on the other hand, spending $40 on something to give you another .5 to 1.5v may not be worth your money. But, I think it would help you overall. What does the PQI max out at now?
-Collin-
RedDragonXXX
07-13-05, 09:38 AM
As you said TCCD don't like higher voltages, however if it was TCC5 it would be a different story, but going for another .1Vdimm could help as I have worked with both (TCCD and TCC5).
I'd rather get my board modded than going to buy the booster for 0,1V extra volts :) Since you're going to get DFI, save your money for that.
fldrice
07-13-05, 09:45 AM
Some sets do like the extra voltage, and there was a thread about this @xtremesystems. Just keep the vdimm under 3.2v if you do decide to go with the booster and put a fan over your ram.
RedDragonXXX
07-13-05, 09:46 AM
Yeah, save your money for the DFI baord and you will get all the Vdimm that you will ever need.
Also just to put it out there, my Corsair TCCD burned under 3.3V, literally!
Janus67
07-13-05, 10:44 AM
I'd rather get my board modded than going to buy the booster for 0,1V extra volts :) Since you're going to get DFI, save your money for that.
good advice.
HousERaT
07-13-05, 11:14 AM
I'm not sure if anyone else has encountered this recently but if you expose TCCD ram to high voltage over a long period of time, ultimately you won't be able to run it at stock voltage. It appears something in the ram malfunctions. This may be just a few isolated cases but I've seen this happen before. TCC5 seems to be just fine with higher voltage but I'm skeptical that enough time has passed for us to know about long term effects.
when you say TCC5 likes higher voltage what do you consider high?
I would consider anything over 2.8 "high" for TCC* standards myself.
HousERaT
07-13-05, 04:47 PM
when you say TCC5 likes higher voltage what do you consider high?
I know of a few folks who run their TCC5 at 3.0 and 3.1v. A little high for my taste but I know some people do it.
Eldonko
07-13-05, 05:53 PM
I know of a few folks who run their TCC5 at 3.0 and 3.1v. A little high for my taste but I know some people do it.I do it, my TCC5's optimal voltage is 3.04 volts. At <2.8v it's garbage. This stuff is made to like more volts and that's what it will get. :)
To answer the question, it depends on what TCCD/5 you have. For example if you gave >3.0v to some GSkill LE, it is likely going to die; however, the newer TCCD and TCC5 usually scales nicely with volts up to ~3.1.
This is the best I can get out of my 4200EL TCC5 at 3.04v:
http://members.shaw.ca/Eldonko/313-2.JPG
That time looks really slow for that CPU speed. And through my testing tras 0 actually nets nothing if not decreases results. I think you would be better served with better timings and less MHz to the CPU to be perfectly honest. I'm not sure if you're just trying to show the max that TCC5 will do, but that can be improved upon greatly. At that CPU speed you should be be into the 25 minute range. Can you do 280x10 @ 2.5-3-3-*? I bet that alone will shave ~20 seconds.
Thanks for the advice everyone. I think I will hold off till I get the dfi.
Collin, I'm on my third set of pqi turbo. I rma'd the other 2 because they never performed at specs. These will only go to 275 at 3-4-4-8. However I'm running at 9x282 with a 6:5 divider at 2-3-3-6 1t, which isn't bad. I do think if I pushed 2.9 volts through them they would do better, but I won't find out for a while.
Rich
Eldonko
07-13-05, 10:18 PM
That time looks really slow for that CPU speed. And through my testing tras 0 actually nets nothing if not decreases results. I think you would be better served with better timings and less MHz to the CPU to be perfectly honest. I'm not sure if you're just trying to show the max that TCC5 will do, but that can be improved upon greatly. At that CPU speed you should be be into the 25 minute range. Can you do 280x10 @ 2.5-3-3-*? I bet that alone will shave ~20 seconds.I wasn’t shooting for a fast time, my CPU does 150Mhz more than that. I was just showing that TCC5 can achieve decent clocks with voltage. Unfortunately most TCC5 really sucks for 2.5-3-3, mine won’t even do 275, its ridiculous. For this reason I use BH when benching PI.
Also I use tras 0 for extra Mhz not extra seconds. 0 gives stability at very high clock speeds (when the RAM is nearing the limit) without sacrificing speed.
Sniper.nkc
07-13-05, 10:23 PM
My board puts out 2.89 vdim and it drastically reduced my overclock. I have the OCZ booster, and now I can pump 3.3 on my BH5 Mushkins and the result so far is 250 x 10 at 2-2-2-6-2T @ 1:1 ratio. It wouldn't hurt going 3.0 with TCCD ram and you will probably get about a 20 MHz boost to your ram. Is it worth $34.00? Hmmmm, maybe.
Reefa_Madness
07-13-05, 10:56 PM
I have two sets of 2x256 PQI PC3200 that respond quite well to voltages, up to 3.3v. They will run at 295-300 on my Neo2 with 3-3-3-8-1T. One of the sets I got from CrimeDog and he had them to 300 at 2.5-3-3-7 with 3.3v on a DFI NF4 board if I'm not mistaken.
The rest of my TCCD does not respond very well to the additional voltages or has not been tested yet at the higher voltage.
Bottom line is that while most will not, some TCCD for sure responds to the higher voltges.
Eldonko
07-13-05, 10:58 PM
Bottom line is that while most will not, some TCCD for sure responds to the higher voltges.Exactly :)
I wasn’t shooting for a fast time, my CPU does 150Mhz more than that. I was just showing that TCC5 can achieve decent clocks with voltage. Unfortunately most TCC5 really sucks for 2.5-3-3, mine won’t even do 275, its ridiculous. For this reason I use BH when benching PI.
Also I use tras 0 for extra Mhz not extra seconds. 0 gives stability at very high clock speeds (when the RAM is nearing the limit) without sacrificing speed.
Awe, makes sense. As i said i wasn't sure if you were just showing max speeds or that was what you ran it at. What's your best 32m with those sticks, or what do you run at daily?
Eldonko
07-14-05, 01:43 AM
This is my best 32M atm, can't break 26 with the TCC5. I could shave off 20 seconds or so if I were to reinstall windows but haven't got around to it yet. My best times come with BH since my TCC5 can't do any decent 2.5-3-3 speeds.
http://members.shaw.ca/Eldonko/32m-1.JPG
That looks like where you should be with the TCC5. See if you can't drop trtw on that BH5 to 1 or 2, that will shave some time.
Susquehannock
07-16-05, 04:34 PM
Some sets do like the extra voltage, and there was a thread about this @xtremesystems. Just keep the vdimm under 3.2v if you do decide to go with the booster and put a fan over your ram.
Confirmed.
I use a Booster for my Gskill "LE" TCCD 437. No responce between 2.8v and 3.1v.
But at 3.2v they start reacting again, much like the Winbond Ch-5 and their
built-in voltage limiters.
As fldrice said keep that Booster cool. Have had mine running for over a year
at 3.2v with great success.
I'm not sure if anyone else has encountered this recently but if you expose TCCD ram to high voltage over a long period of time, ultimately you won't be able to run it at stock voltage. It appears something in the ram malfunctions. This may be just a few isolated cases but I've seen this happen before. TCC5 seems to be just fine with higher voltage but I'm skeptical that enough time has passed for us to know about long term effects.
Very interesting. :clap:
Might explain why my RAM has trouble running anything but Cas 2.0 now.
Hey Buddy!
Glock19owner used to use a DDR booster with his TCCD ram. While most people say that TCCD does not like high voltage, there are some sets that do. The newer TCC5 definately does. For running over 300mhz HTT, I always had to use 2.9-3.0 volts on my patriot TCCD. So, I think you may benefit from this. But on the other hand, spending $40 on something to give you another .5 to 1.5v may not be worth your money. But, I think it would help you overall. What does the PQI max out at now?
-Collin-
Hey Collin, I was just reading over this thread and I saw you asked me a question which I didn't answer. (Senility is tough on the brain!) My ram can do 276MHz at 3-4-4-8 1t. After a lot of thought I have decided to not go for the nf4/pci-e rig at the end of the year. I don't think it's worth all the investment compared to what I have. I think I will wait for the the next thing down the road, whatever that turns out to be. In the mean time I decided to blow the big $36 bucks on the booster. For one, I will know what voltage the ram is really getting and secondly, I think a most boost in voltage will be of value. The PQI PC4000 tccd is rated at 2.8 volts and I have seen reviews where they gave it a bit more and got higher OC's. There PC3200 is only rated at 2.6 volts and that is different. On this msi board I wouldn't be surprised if the 2.85 setting only gives it 2.8. Anyway, I will find out and let you know how I make out.
Well guys, I complete 3D 05' @ 11x250 2.75Ghzw/ a 3700+ San Diego, & some GeIL 2.5-4-4-7 DDR500 on a GA-K8NS Ultra mobo, & Antec 550 (on air)
3D 05' 6140
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1018020
But I lowered my OC all the way down to 2.64Ghz to play BF2 on line w' no dropping of connection, or crashing to desktop
W/ the OCZ ram booster $36USD from Frozencpu @ 3.2v I can play BF2 on line @ 11x254 2.5-4-4-7 1T 2.8Ghz
I will experiment up to 3.4v to see what it can do
So far I think it was worth the $
OCGW
PEACE
Well guys, I complete 3D 05' @ 11x250 2.75Ghzw/ a 3700+ San Diego, & some GeIL 2.5-4-4-7 DDR500 on a GA-K8NS Ultra mobo, & Antec 550 (on air)
3D 05' 6140
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1018020
But I lowered my OC all the way down to 2.64Ghz to play BF2 on line w' no dropping of connection, or crashing to desktop
W/ the OCZ ram booster $36USD from Frozencpu @ 3.2v I can play BF2 on line @ 11x254 2.5-4-4-7 1T 2.8Ghz
I will experiment up to 3.4v to see what it can do
So far I think it was worth the $
OCGW
PEACE
That sounds like it was worth the $36. Do you know what kind of chips are in that Geil ram?
Here is the link to newegg where I bought the GeIL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820144517
& the link to GeIL
http://www.geilusa.com/proddetail.asp?linenumber=24
It is inexpensive DDR500 ram that performs @ it's rated clock speed, & slightly higher, it is all I was hoping for @ this price point :cool:
Here is the link to newegg where I bought the GeIL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820144517
It is inexpensive DDR500 ram that performs @ it's rated clock speed, & slightly higher, it is all I was hopong for @ this price point :cool:
Thanks, OCGW, I will note it to refer others. BTW, I forgot something important.
:welcome: to the Forum!
CCUABIDExORxDIE
07-31-05, 01:08 PM
:welcome: to the forums OCGW
i think that Geil ram you have uses Hynix D5, which is good stuff indeed. i hear it scales with voltage VERY nicely.
Well, the OCZ ddr booster arrived today and it was a bust! Not only did it not improve performance, it made it worse! I tried several settings but got nothing out of it. As an example I booted at 9x278 with the ram at 1:1 3-4-4-8 1t. I started with the booster turned all the way down and my ram set at 2.85 in my bios. The booster read 2.8. I ran Super Pi and got an error on the fourth loop. I rebooted into the bios and started to up the voltage and then booted into windows. The results for 2.9 volts and 3.0 volts were still an error on the 4 loop. I removed the booster and ran Super Pi at the same settings and did not get an error till the 15th loop. Well, back in the box it goes. It's rma time. I should add it barely fit in the board in the forth slot as it is so wide. Also the the lcd readings faced inward against the other ram making it a pain to read. I'm glad I tried it, but disappointed with the results.
Susquehannock
08-01-05, 11:57 PM
Sorry to hear that rseven. :(
<"I started with the booster turned all the way down and my ram set at 2.85 in my bios.">
Not saying this was the problem. But I'm pretty sure the included instructions say
to leave the board Vdimm at stock & let the booster do the work.
Have always followed that with mine and have had great success.
You might also try switching the RAM modules & booster around to different slots to see if that helps.
Sorry to hear that rseven. :(
<"I started with the booster turned all the way down and my ram set at 2.85 in my bios.">
Not saying this was the problem. But I'm pretty sure the included instructions say
to leave the board Vdimm at stock & let the booster do the work.
Have always followed that with mine and have had great success.
You might also try switching the RAM modules & booster around to different slots to see if that helps.
I just double checked the directions and they don't say anything about leaving the vdimm at stock setting, but that's 2.80 volts on my ram and that's not much less the the 2.85. Yet you are right, it does sound like a good idea to let the booster do the work. I had such bad luck with it I don't know if I will hassle trying it again. Also, on this wonderful msi board slots 3 and 4 run far qorse than 1 and 2 so that's not an option. Thanks for the suggestions. Maybe I'll feel more ambitious tomorrow than I do tonight.
Susquehannock
08-02-05, 12:46 AM
You are probably right. Maybe that was something I read in the forums.
Have to admit it's been quite some time since I read the directions.
Sniper.nkc
08-02-05, 07:58 AM
Well, the OCZ ddr booster arrived today and it was a bust! Not only did it not improve performance, it made it worse! I tried several settings but got nothing out of it. As an example I booted at 9x278 with the ram at 1:1 3-4-4-8 1t. I started with the booster turned all the way down and my ram set at 2.85 in my bios. The booster read 2.8. I ran Super Pi and got an error on the fourth loop. I rebooted into the bios and started to up the voltage and then booted into windows. The results for 2.9 volts and 3.0 volts were still an error on the 4 loop. I removed the booster and ran Super Pi at the same settings and did not get an error till the 15th loop. Well, back in the box it goes. It's rma time. I should add it barely fit in the board in the forth slot as it is so wide. Also the the lcd readings faced inward against the other ram making it a pain to read. I'm glad I tried it, but disappointed with the results.
Rseven
The OZC booster has a large heatsink located at the display side of board. If you seat it at slot 4, furthest slot away from CPU, your ram will get additional heat. This additional heat will cause your ram not to perform or decrease performance. Also, since my Mushkins have heatspreader, this heatsink interfered (touching) and I barely was able to install it at slot 4.
The booster heatsink generates heat and my ram didn't perform well. What I did was moved the ram to slot 3 and 4, and relocate the booster to slot 1. I also put a 90mm fan directly over the ram and booster to keep things cool. This setup was very beneficial to me and I actually was able to overclock more (20 ~ 30 Mhz). Give that a try before you return it.
And yes, this OZC booster actually takes up 2 ram slots, unless you put it in slot 1.
Yes, I wish I could try it that way, but I can't. In order to to put it in slot 1 I would not be able to use my XP90 as it would sit right under it. I would have to remove the heatsink and install the booster, but I don't think I would be able to reinstall it because of the height of the booster. Even if I could I would not be able to see the read out because it would be blocked by the heatsink. Thanks for trying guys, but this one was not meant to be.
Sniper.nkc
08-02-05, 10:13 AM
Yes, I wish I could try it that way, but I can't. In order to to put it in slot 1 I would not be able to use my XP90 as it would sit right under it. I would have to remove the heatsink and install the booster, but I don't think I would be able to reinstall it because of the height of the booster. Even if I could I would not be able to see the read out because it would be blocked by the heatsink. Thanks for trying guys, but this one was not meant to be.
I know what your answer is going to be, but do you have a stock HS to try? Since you have the booster, try your best to located a stock HS for your A64 CPU. Don't let that XP90 stop you. Give it a try. Go to a local computer store if you don't one. If it doesn't work, you can return it. I am sure the booster HS is causing the problem.
I know what your answer is going to be, but do you have a stock HS to try? Since you have the booster, try your best to located a stock HS for your A64 CPU. Don't let that XP90 stop you. Give it a try. Go to a local computer store if you don't one. If it doesn't work, you can return it. I am sure the booster HS is causing the problem.
I hear you Sniper, and you are probably right, but I really like the XP90 and the way it sits over my ram and helps to cool it. Incidently, I did all my testing with anopen case and my cpu fan cranked to high blowing down over the ram.
BTW, I do have a Swiftech cooler I can use, but my cpu load temps would be 3 degrees higher. I guess it's a matter of choices and priorities and I don't think I'd gain enough in the trade off.
Just my opinion, but I don't think it is worth it for rseven
rseven may aleady be squeezing out near max performance for his rig already
The OCZ ram booster worked for me, but I don't really think it helps your PC run faster so much I think it helps make your PC stable @ the speeds it was already capable off
I could POST 50Mhz higher, but I am "STABLE" @ 200-250Mhz higher
in my most huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumble of opinions :cool:
OCGW
peace
Well, I want you all to know I gave it another try today. I still used the 4th ram slot as I had not taste for removing my XP90. I did have the case open and my fans and AC cranked so I don't believe heat was the issue. I set the bios vdimm at 2.6 and ran super pi with the board running at 9x280. The first interesting thing I found was that my bios was saying 2.6 but the OCZ read out said 2.5. I tried passing Pi at every voltage setting up to 3.0 without any success. It got through the most loops at 2.8 volts.
Afterward, I ran the bios at different vdimm settings to see what they would read on the OCZ booster. What I discovered was the bios reading was.5 volts higher than the booster. Since I was running my ram at 2.85 in the bios, this means I've really got it at it's rated voltage. This is where the ram works best so there is really no reason to keep the booster. However, if I hadn't of tried, I would have never known for sure. Thanks everyone for your help. It's really great having a team of overclocker's taking my back. I'll drink to that. :beer:
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