Sims 2 content "worse than Hot Coffee"

[BrutalDrew]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/22/news_6129609.html

Just wow :rolleyes:

[TheGreySpectre]

you said it,
wow, just wow

I like how there going after game publishers for user created content. Its not like they will be able to really do anything about it ether, the industry has yet to stop piracy, how are they going to stop user mods, which are way more prolific than piracy

I will be upset however if this leads to acts trying to limit mods. What did video games ever do to that guy.

[Elif Tymes]

Uhh, Sims 2, and nearly every single game on the planet uses these things called "Dolls" which lack any form of genetilia.

Thusly, removing the blur wouldn't/shouldn't show anything little girls see playing barbie.

[Oni]

The models in The Sims 2, even when the blur is removed, have no genitals. They're as anitomically endowed as Ken and Barbie, as the article says.

I think the blur is more there for comic effect, really. If he succeeds here, what's next? Starcraft: Brood War for having the Terran Medics say things in sexy voices?

Pedophiles . . . really. I'm sure pedophiles have much more sinister things to do than watch naked sim children run around. Why don't they expend effort to catch the pedophiles rather than worry about what they're doing with a video game.

It's people like this guy that really make my blood boil. Does he really have nothing better to do? I can understand GTA:SA. Rockstar had that coming to them. They should've known better. But to attack a game as harmless as The Sims? It's a virtual dollhouse! I bet if he sat down and actually played the game he'd probably like it.

People are so quick to blame the video game, and this guy is no different. He's an ambulance chaser who has a bit too much money and influence. They refer to a case where he defended an 18 year old who killed 3 cops. They blamed it on the video game, of course. I'm sorry, but at 18, you KNOW the difference between right and wrong, fantasy and reality. Obviously, the kid knew what he was doing, but by blaming the video game, the horrible, awful video game, he gets off w/ a slap on the wrist.

If I ever snap and go on a killing spree w/ a H&K P90, I'll be sure to blame a video game.

[David]

This is ludicrous.

Fair enough, GTA:SA was a bit risky to start with, and sexually explicit scenes were packaged with the game itself. But removing the blur from Sims is just a stupid thing to persue. So if I buy a copy of Windows XP, put a naked woman spreading her legs as the desktop, does that mean XP should be rated Mature?

Someone seriously needs to get out more. And this is coming from me!

[zexmarquies01]

So if I buy a copy of Windows XP, put a naked woman spreading her legs as the desktop, does that mean XP should be rated Mature?

Someone seriously needs to get out more. And this is coming from me!


that is soooo true.


I wrote a paper on this thing in school a while back. How video games does NOT influence violence in real life.

to me 90-95% of it depends on the parants. the reason its not 100% is becase some kids will do stupid stuff like this, even if they have the best parants in the world....

but to me, alot of it has to due with the parants and their paranting skills ( or lack there of in these cases ).

That and i blame polititians. Instead of Going after the source of the proglem ( the kids and the parants ). they attack Video games, and music artists, because the parants are the ones that vote for them. So to keep the voters happy, they don't attack the voters and instead, focus the blame on something else.

If the parants think video games or rap music is bad, then thats where law-makers decide to focus the blame.

If it was me instead of them, i'd ask for a COMPLETE psyc. Session with the parants and kids. Find out exactly how the parants raised their kids. If the parants avoided their kids alot, had almost no interaction with their kids, then the parants get hit. If the kid is over 18, he/she takes an IQ test. If their IQ is 90 or higher, they go to jail. With that IQ they have ability to know the difference between right and wrong, and know the difference between Reality, and a video game.

But as said before, if i ever go insane, and kill people, I'll blame it on a video game. I'll be let off with a slap on the wrist, and walk out of court with a smile on my face....because sadly, it would probably work....~sigh~

[OC Noob]

The idiots are really pouring out of the woodworks now.

Whats next?

[ThePerfectCore]

Three words:

Very Strange Sims.

Google it. That's one example.

Third-party mod or not, it was only a matter of time.

Let's put a "Not safe for work" and "Not for children" warning on that. -- macklin01

[Phoenix87]

More people trying to force the government to make up for lack of parenting.

I hate those people.

[Oni]

Three words:

Very Strange Sims.

Google it. That's one example.

Third-party mod or not, it was only a matter of time.

The difference here being that that is content added to the game after the fact. From the default install, the characters are not endowed in any way shape or form. They are dolls. Whereas w/ GTA:SA, the content was already there, the mod just allowed it to be unlocked. The content was put there by Rockstar.

I can get nude models for Quake 3, too. Does that mean that Quake should be banned? Of course not. It's similar to what David said, that if he puts a pornographic image on his desktop then shouldn't XP be rated Mature.

People are reaching now, and history is repeating itself. Back in the day it was music. Music made this boy go and kill 4 of his classmates. Now it's video games. It sickens me to no end.

[TheGreySpectre]

But how differnent is it to not include the content, as opposed to have the content with no, included way of accessing it. I suppose Rockstar could ahve deleted the content, but with no ingame way of accessing it, not even in game cheat codes, whats the difference

[fuzzba11]

Three words:

Very Strange Sims.

Google it. That's one example.

Third-party mod or not, it was only a matter of time.
Careful, the idiot might go after google next because of the way third party users are googling :rolleyes:

[gt24]

You can twist this around...

If a modder can get a game banned from sale, then wouldn't modders be "terrorizing" the gaming industry and thus be considered "digital terrorists"?

You can take anything too far if you want and if society believes you. Anymore, society is looking for some insane stuff to believe...

[OC Noob]

More people trying to force the government to make up for lack of parenting.

I hate those people.


Its about people who think they can gain for this stuff and people who's values don't mess with these kinds of things.


Kids are just a convinent excuss. After all, the parents who are really making a stink are the ones whos kids would never see this stuff anyway and the ones whos parents don't give a rats ass don't care enough to make a big deal out of games much less what their kid sees.


Honestly, its really not about the content or the kids. The nuts finally have the foder they've been waiting for and it could have been a game where you are a terrorist killing US soldiers in Afghanistan or anything else that would **** a lot of people off and get these idiots some attention.

[Voidbringer]

The idiots are really pouring out of the woodworks now.

Whats next?

That depends, they're obviously trying to get the ball rolling as the saying goes, so if they succeed with something as trivial and wrong as blaming the sims for pornagraphic images of 3rd party mods, then they are certainly going to continue until they horribly crash and burn for it which probably won't happen for years.

I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope that people will see the stupidity of this case and won't let the extremists get going.

[Feydd]

I will be upset however if this leads to acts trying to limit mods. What did video games ever do to that guy.

If that happens I can't promise this thompson a***** will get out of it with his current face.

EDIT: Does any one have any information on this guy? Like his e-mail or mailing address. Maybe if he had to sort through 500 angry e-mails or letters a day he won't have time for his daily power trip.

[maxio098ui]

the people and so called worried parents that just hate videogames and want to ban all the good ones off the world plz stop
all you do is tackel it in the us in europe it stays in most countrys in eu you dont even get asked how old you are if you are as big as an oempa loempa and look real young

[David]

EDIT: Does any one have any information on this guy? Like his e-mail or mailing address. Maybe if he had to sort through 500 angry e-mails or letters a day he won't have time for his daily power trip.

I really don't think this would help. Spam-bombs are not the answer.

However if quite a few people wrote a few good, constructive and sensible emails expressing their opinion it may enlighten him perhaps.

[da_spork]

Video games are obviously the cause for all the violence and sex in the world. Hell, if ID had never released quake 2 I bet the car bombings in the middle east would've been over and done with by now, and if Lara Croft wouldn't have come along in Tomb Raider then Pamala Anderson wouldn't have gotten her juggies blown up for all the 13 year old males to oogle over.


I can understand for the most part the hot coffe thing, but the sims 2 is just ridiculous. He should take all of his self esteem and pride and keep it to make him feel better, not just make a fool out of himself.

[gt24]

A disturbing thought...

DRM, digital rights management, if implemented on the hardware level will prevent piracy of video games since each piece of software must validate itself with an online server before offline/online play. In addition, such DRM can disable the game if the game has been tampered with thus preventing said piracy and more importantly preventing nudity and violence modifications to the game which could cause permanent mental damage to your children...

The only way to protect the population and organizations of the world is by full external control. Your overlords are looking out for your best interests...

[ThePerfectCore]

That depends, they're obviously trying to get the ball rolling as the saying goes, so if they succeed with something as trivial and wrong as blaming the sims for pornagraphic images of 3rd party mods, then they are certainly going to continue until they horribly crash and burn for it which probably won't happen for years.

I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope that people will see the stupidity of this case and won't let the extremists get going.

His email address has in fact been published on several gaming forums across the internet. Of course, those that have found it are not helping the situation -

omng wtf u suk plz die

^^ par for the course.

[eatmyshorts7569]

what i am mostly ****ed about is that SA got AO rating but games like BMXXX and other such games are still rated T or M. BMXXX has actually strip dancer videos as prizes and yet the game that actually has porn in it and dousent need a patch to unlock this stuff is still out there and is stil being sold to kids. Now out of the violence, aggresion towered police, man slaughter, disrespectful language, racism, and other stuff, its intrseting that pornography got pointed out and changed the rating to a AO.

as far as the sims gouse, since sims 1 theve had cheats to remove the bath tubs and what not when the sims were showering. my parents were raged when they saw my 10 year old sister seeing computer characters bathing naked. and who wouldent be.

Why one game only, and do the people that rate this games actually play them or just pass them by. and one more thing. PARENTS GO WITH YOUR KIDS AND WHEN THEY BUY GAMES. AND WHY NOT PLAY IT WITH THEM.



*EDIT: If u think all this is a nonsence and has no relevancy to the subject at hand im srry i just had to say somthing*

[maxio098ui]

what i am mostly ****ed about is that SA got AO rating but games like BMXXX and other such games are still rated T or M.
its because they have been trying to pin rockstar for years but ther was not a real easy oppertunity then when hot coffee hapend lawyers and ppl want either money or to stop games and are looking for mistakes everywhere now sims next , teletubbies

[SolidxSnake]

New idea:

Instead of posting our thoughts here, why not make some sort of letter, or declaration... Something! Write it up, send it to someone higher up. People who are taking actions, ESRB, Hilary Clinton (it is her going against SA, right?). It's not impossible to send them anything, we can easily send something to them. If they disregard it, spam-bomb.

Also to media companies (ABC, NBC, etc)

It could work.

[Elif Tymes]

@ Snake and other "Spam Bomb!" people...

Yea! Lets hit em with our complete lack of maturity and SHOW em that we have absolutely no rational.

:-p.

[SolidxSnake]

@ Snake and other "Spam Bomb!" people...

Yea! Lets hit em with our complete lack of maturity and SHOW em that we have absolutely no rational.

:-p.


Who said it had to be a retarded and immature letter? It could be a well compiled letter made by a few individuals on behalf of some people here. Saying good points mentioned, about parents' "parenting" (or lack thereof), and how it isn't the developer's fault. The player models don't have any 'private' parts in the original game, it needs an unsupported, third-party modification to have anything inappropriate for a T rating.

The spam-bomb is considered a joke in my mind :D

[zexmarquies01]

hmm....

i wonder if i'll end up on the Front page of the news paper, or the head-line news if i take a marker to a Barbie doll, and draw her private parts on her.....

Sooo...lets get this straight....

A parant totally freaks out, along with congressmen when a patch is make for a game to allow the Blurry stuff to go away, and show a doll with no private parts put on it...

Yet Those exact same parants and congressmen Don't think twice about a kid playing with a un-clothed barbie doll, and usually just say " Oh, The kids are just Curious " or " Oh, it won't hurt anything, The kids are just playing with dolls, no harm can me done ".

This whole issuse has NOTHING to do with the content in games. NOT A SINGLE BIT OF IT. The issue is REALLY about Control. Controlling what people watch, See, and do.

Its not about "protection", Its about Its about power, and having the ability to control people.

Its about parants not wanting to do their job, and wanting others to do it for them, And its about the government/companies/people wanting full controll of All technology.

If one can controll what a person see's, hears and or does, then they have absoulte power over the people.

now while, i doubt its about controlling everyone, turning them into midnless drones, It is about controling what pepole can and can't do because one person thinks they are right, Or a parant not willing to step up to the plate and actually be a Friggin parant!

Anyone notice though, its all computers/games being attacked. To them, toys don't matter, toys doesn't send information over the masses, it doesn't consume a billion lives like technology does. Its all about controlling Technology, Not about controlling content.

[PCGUY112887]

I can just see some Maxis devs sitting around, talking and working on some new expansion (seems like they would all be best friends now since they have made so many damn Sims games) and seeing this about Rockstar on their break and laughing about it and probally saying "man i'm just going to go over and put in 4 people fu*king in a hottub and make it accessable via editing 16bits of code".

Then they see this artical and revert to yesterdays backup copy of their work :p

[Alucard]

very strange sims.... lmao, i mean i even saw a tv show about the strange people that play the sims, but my god my eyes have been opened to the amount of freaks that play the sims roflmfao

[SolidxSnake]

very strange sims.... lmao, i mean i even saw a tv show about the strange people that play the sims, but my god my eyes have been opened to the amount of freaks that play the sims roflmfao


lmfao, you'd be surprised...

And why'd you change your av? Alucard was so much cooler :D

[ThePerfectCore]

Here's another one I discovered last night: log into the Neverwinter Nights server browser and check out the "Social" category.

NWN will soon come under fire as well. omgomg

[Stavros]

*Sigh* I don't understand these peoples hatred/fear of computers or video games. One thing I think would help would be for them to not focus on the horrible stuff. The Media just loves to shove horrible news down our throats. Why won't they show some good effects?