View Full Version : 30GB Maxtor>Raptor?!
flamerail
07-28-05, 10:19 PM
http://flamerail.com/public/amazing.jpg
So amazing... its like 3/4th as fast as a raptor.... What do you think?
Pretty crazy yeah?
pretty insane burst speed! it beats the raptor by alot (IN BURST SPEED) and is FREEKING awesome!
flamerail
07-28-05, 10:28 PM
VS the 36gb raptor!
http://flamerail.com/public/amazing2.jpg
Funny thing is this maxtor is like 4 years old now..... CRAZY!
Now why buy a raptor :p
WOW! Look at those speeds!
It BEATS the Raptor at Burst
and is SUPER close to the Rapor at sequential
AEsnowboarding
07-28-05, 10:52 PM
Their raptor is a little slow I guess
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9360/raptor22sg.jpg
flamerail
07-28-05, 11:02 PM
Your 74GB is faster yeah. But you gota think the Burst speed of mine is extremly fast an its a standered 2mb cache 7200 rpm drive. Urs is sata an 10,000. Super crazy :p
yeah seems there's is a lil slow AE, but still, his is RIGHT beside urs w/ the Burst Speed.
RJARRRPCGP
07-28-05, 11:42 PM
http://flamerail.com/public/amazing.jpg
So amazing... its like 3/4th as fast as a raptor.... What do you think?
Pretty crazy yeah?
I have that HDD and I was surprised too when I first benchmarked it back in February!
???
7,200 is 72% as fast as 10,000 so why are we surprised that it can push data at "3/4th as fast as a raptor"
The Raptors are roughly twice as fast at random access in all those screenshots. And that's what makes them fast.
Burst speeds are controller dependent are are not comparable unless they are tested on the same controller. I don't think burst matters much anyways.
flamerail
07-29-05, 08:40 AM
20GB seagate 5400... half as fast as 7200. Look how slow this thing is!
http://flamerail.com/public/cought.jpg
Raptors are suppost to be extremly fast!! looking at the benchmark there not as fast as every one thinks :)
KillrBuckeye
07-29-05, 09:33 AM
20GB seagate 5400... half as fast as 7200. Look how slow this thing is!
http://flamerail.com/public/cought.jpg
Raptors are suppost to be extremly fast!! looking at the benchmark there not as fast as every one thinks :)
LOL, okay. If it makes you feel better about your drive, then think whatever you want. How many times must it be said that HDD benchmarks are not a good indication of real-world performance? Why don't you check some other threads comparing game load times and such with a Raptor vs. a 7200 RPM drive?
freeagent
07-29-05, 10:11 AM
wow, that was a little unexpected, i ran this for the first time last night, a guy with ata100 drives in raid 0 wanted to see what my drive could do
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/424/hd20bu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Enablingwolf
07-29-05, 10:23 AM
This is with a hefty BT going on in the background.
I compared to a similar size in storage space.. I have my primary set to 20.
I can score a bit higher, but I love to able to use the drive while benching an alright score.
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/4239/untitled12ai1.jpg
Like mentioned earlier HD benchmarks suck, your 2 mb cache 7200 rpm ide drive would pry even benchmark faster then 15k rpm 73 gb SCSI hd. but i guarentee that my drive would smoke either of hte previous in real world performance.
flamerail
07-29-05, 10:54 AM
LOL cooter!
Enablingwolf
07-29-05, 11:02 AM
Like mentioned earlier HD benchmarks suck, your 2 mb cache 7200 rpm ide drive would pry even benchmark faster then 15k rpm 73 gb SCSI hd. but i guarentee that my drive would smoke either of hte previous in real world performance.
Are you refering to my drive?
Look at the access times, not the pretty graphs.
Your drive may be able to push 60MB/s of sequential data down the wire, but the raptor will find the data that you need twice as quick when it's spread out around the drive.
The random access on the raptor is 8ms. The other drives here are in the 14, 15, 16ms range, and I thin I saw one in the 20s as well.
flamerail
07-29-05, 11:17 AM
Look at the access times, not the pretty graphs.
Your drive may be able to push 60MB/s of sequential data down the wire, but the raptor will find the data that you need twice as quick when it's spread out around the drive.
The random access on the raptor is 8ms. The other drives here are in the 14, 15, 16ms range, and I thin I saw one in the 20s as well.
probly the 5400 rofl!... its more like 20 minuts LMAO!
Are you refering to my drive?
I just think thats funny the way you said that! All positive remark :p :p :clap:
So what can we use to test real world performance. Lets do this! I want to see really how this drive stands compared to modern drives. And how fast raptors are. Please keep to non raid drives for this.
So whats next how do we bench these? :p
Enablingwolf
07-29-05, 11:19 AM
I have a heafty download going on while I did the test. It shows there is no real world value to testing. My drive is a 8 not a 2. I have fun benching every so often, comparing within what is going on. I never base much more than that. You can go into my post history and even see that I don't go woo hoo, I whooped you and my hardware is faster in benches. I just like the participation of the bench run itself.
I have had SCSI drives(in an older rig of mine) and dug them. Even had a SATA hooked to this rig. I know the difference.
Enablingwolf
07-29-05, 11:43 AM
I was going to edit my post, but this is enough to waarent a new post altogether.
I know in some cases the Raptor will eek ahead of SCSI. I would love to see a Raptor vs. SCSI. Now that would be a bench run... 133MBPS is what it sounds like, and can not, will not beat a higher speed class of drive.
Ok now lets see the big boyz bring out the hardware!! :D
So what can we use to test real world performance. Lets do this! I want to see really how this drive stands compared to modern drives. And how fast raptors are. Please keep to non raid drives for this.
So whats next how do we bench these? :pStorageReview recommends the WinBench99 (http://www.veritest.com/benchmarks/winbench/default.asp) High-End Disk Benchmark. Direct download: ftp://ftp.pcmag.com/benchmarks/winbench/wb9920.exe (~9MB)
Just run the high-end disk winmark.
I only have RAID arrays so I won't post results as per flamerail's wishes.
freeagent
07-29-05, 11:51 AM
yeah, partitions slow down your drive too right? i have a 14 gig partition for windows so... also, i hope you werent referring to my drive that has 2mb cache... lol, my ide controller is disabled, straight sata for this guy ;)
Raptors are suppost to be extremly fast!! looking at the benchmark there not as fast as every one thinks :)No, this is entirely, 100% wrong. The reality is benchmarks are not nearly as revealing as you think. The Raptor is swooft in the extreme, and this just shows how misleading benchmark results can be if you have no notion how they are related to the actual speed of the drives in question.
flamerail
07-29-05, 12:28 PM
Then how do we actually prove with numbers what drives are faster than others ?? :shrug:
How can u guys say Random Access Time affects anything when it's also a number, just like what were looking at here.
Then how do we actually prove with numbers what drives are faster than others ?? :shrug:You use a stopwatch. Either Raptor will destroy that 30GB Maxtor in just about any timed disk event. People continually look for shortcuts to knowledge, and these benchmarks are not a valid one.
How can u guys say Random Access Time affects anything when it's also a number, just like what were looking at here.Truth exists in its own right, and is not dependant on whether it is easily numerically represented, or not.
Then how do we actually prove with numbers what drives are faster than others ?? :shrug:
For those of you that want to konw how to test the speed of the drives to see what is faster and get numbers as a response, all you need to do is time it. Here is what you do:
Get a stopwatch
Get a Raptor
Get a SCSI Drive
Get a 2 mb Cache ATA Drive
Get a SATA drive
Get any other drive that you want
Put a couple drives in RAID if that floats your boat (be prepared to be disappointed as RAID does not help in real world performance)
Then load windows, load a few of your favorite games, maybe photoshop, adobe, firefox, or any other program taht you use a bunch.
After that start timing.
Time how long it takes to open each of the apps
Time how long it takes to load a map(s) in the games
Time how long it takes to Defrag your computer (SCSI rocks at this!!!!)
Time how long it takes to do a diskcleanup
Time how long it takes to run a virus scan
Time how long it takes to save a big file in photoshop
Time how long it takes to open a game
etc.....you get the point.
Do this with a stopwatch. Make sure that the drives are all in the same computer cuz remember alot of that stuff also depends on processor speed.
and reference this tread for an example:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=310250
Doing this stuff will give you a much better example of hd speed then a benchmark would.
^^bet ya that maxtor gets owned by the raptor in all of the above ;)
silentdebuggers
07-29-05, 02:49 PM
That's amazing for a 2mb cache maxtor. wow.
^^bet ya that maxtor gets owned by the raptor in all of the above ;)
I bet your your right. I also bet that the SCSI drive owns in that stuff as well.
I bet your your right. I also bet that the SCSI drive owns in that stuff as well.
i bet you payed an arm and a leg for your SCSI drive :p
johan851
07-29-05, 06:50 PM
That's amazing for a 2mb cache maxtor. wow.
All that is is sequential transfer! Really, what real-world situation is going to depend on sequential transfer speed?
i bet you payed an arm and a leg for your SCSI drive :p
I think you would win that bet! lol, but I love it.
Enablingwolf
07-29-05, 10:45 PM
I admit SCSI is truely high performance. When I had scuzzy, I hated parting with it.
Speciale
07-29-05, 11:45 PM
Just got my first taste of raptor today...holy hell.
How will i ever go back :shrug:
flamerail
07-30-05, 02:06 PM
Haha!
I know a game that can show what a drive is made of. :)
24GB game! When you load it has to scan all its files an make a index of them. 250,000+ files an folders..2-3 minuts :D
RangerXLT8
07-30-05, 03:36 PM
My 2xRaptor RAID 0 benches, will put your maxtor to shame.
johan851
07-30-05, 03:43 PM
My 2xRaptor RAID 0 benches, will put your maxtor to shame.
Are you, serious? :eek:
My goodness, I'm a jerk. :D
flamerail
07-30-05, 06:34 PM
Yeah how nice of him. Funny as I said earlyer no raid 0 comparisons. Of coarse any decent drive running raid 0 is gona be faster. :rolleyes:
any how Im happy with my 160GB Maxtor.
This is my 30 IDE Vs my 160 SATA
http://flamerail.com/public/My%20IDE%20VS%20SATA.jpg
zulfy26
07-30-05, 06:44 PM
I'd test some of my SCSI drives, but they're all only 10k 4-5gig seagates, so they aren't any faster than SATA :-(
theELVISCERATOR
10-10-05, 09:56 AM
Maybe the sata controller on that mb has issues...I dunno...
Beginner
10-11-05, 02:39 AM
flamerail, does your hdd benches scale with your overclock? i'm on an xp-m system currently @ 2.58 hoping for 2.7 someday.
my buddy has two 30gb ata 133 maxtors on a raid 0 and its fast. if you can, could you please bench with a lower or higher o/c.
can someone make a benchmark that will measure true world performance? like maybe looping a game like the 24gb mentioned at a set number of times and measure the time it takes too finish?
i'm a newb here so bare with me :)
juliendogg
10-11-05, 06:47 AM
I just sold 2 of those in the classifieds. I told the member that i sold them to how fast they were. Quite amazing. I ran two of them in a raid0 from pata-sata adapters, and it outbenched my buddies 2 x 7200.7 seagate sata raid0 array. Very impressive little drives.
:D
J.
Burst speed is almost completely irrelevant to HDD performance. The only time it is important is when it is less than the STR, which is never for single-drive setups as manufacturers aren't stupid :) For RAID on SCSI (and to a lesser extent, PATA) you can push the STR of the array past the burst speed of the interface, in which case you do lose some performance.
STR and access time are (on a defragmented drive) roughly of equal importance in most real-world desktop tests. So with the Raptor being slightly ahead in STR and twice as quick in access time, it wil be much more than slightly ahead in real world desktop tests.
Note that for any server banchmark, pretty much the only things that matters are the access time and the quality of the firmware. This is why even a first-gen 15K drive will lay some serious smack down on the most recent 10K drives in server benchmarks despite getting totally dominated in just about every metric other than access time. Similarly for 10K vs 7.2K drives.
eskimochaos
10-12-05, 04:15 PM
How do you post pics like that they are so perfect and only show what is on the screen? Do you use FRAPS?
Enablingwolf
10-12-05, 04:34 PM
How do you post pics like that they are so perfect and only show what is on the screen? Do you use FRAPS?
When you have the Window focused. You hit the combo of Alt+Prt Scr
Then import it into your favorite imaging software(Paint works as easy). Then just paste off the clipboard. I just use Ctrl+V. You can also use the paste feature in any package.
:welcome: eskimochaos!
www.irfanview.com is a great freeware image handling program as well.
flamerail
10-12-05, 06:34 PM
:welcome: eskimochaos!
www.irfanview.com is a great freeware image handling program as well.
Yeap i love that program. I use it at least 100 times daily
:)
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