Extreme Cooling's future?

[CreePinG_DeatH]

I was just wondering how does everyone imagine overclocking changing in the next 5 years? Intel plans on pushing 20ghz chips out by then. Will overclocking still have any purpose other than that of a hobby? What real gains will be made anyway? Any input is very much appreciated.

[nihili]

LOL

By the time we get a 20ghz chip Microsoft will have made an OS that requires 19ghz just to load in less than 10 minutes.

It wasn't that long ago that 200mhz was the hottest thing out there. From that vantage 2ghz was unimaginable speed.

When I was in college (back in the days before IBM made PCs) my roomate and I used to dream of the ultimate fantasy in computers. My fantasy was that someday you could have a computer just big enough to house an undersized keyboard with a flip up LCD screen It would communicate with other computers via a little antenna. My roomate (who btw got a job at Novell a couple years later) swore that such a thing was impossible - that at any rate one could never have fast enough communication via an antenna.

Today I spent a couple hours at a coffee shop browsing the web on my laptop via an 802.11b PCMCIA card. My computer's alot bigger than the one I imagined. But then I saw the VAIO of the guy who runs the net there. Same size as I had imagined. The only difference between my wildest dream and reality are that in reality the computers are faster, the screens better, the antennas smaller, and the communication faster.

nihili

[train22]

such a nice end to a nice story, I just hope it's an AMD.

[engjohn]

Originally posted by MastrMuff
I was just wondering how does everyone imagine overclocking changing in the next 5 years? Intel plans on pushing 20ghz chips out by then. Will overclocking still have any purpose other than that of a hobby? What real gains will be made anyway? Any input is very much appreciated.

Isn't that the same thing people said back in the days of the 80286 @ 4Mhz... "What would you need 30Mhz for?!?"

[Warlord2]

I have no idea what a average person would need a 400mhz+computer for=/

[Christoph]

Originally posted by Warlord2
I have no idea what a average person would need a 400mhz+computer for=/

Protein folding!

Also, I can't imagine OCing dying out. At first, the nerds had computers and everyone else didn't. Now the nerds OC, mod, do mad cooling, etc, and that's become a mark of distinction, since most people are afraid to touch the inside of a comp (not most here of course, but in the real world).
I've got 1.4 gHz, and I love each of 'em. What'll I do when my bong cooler lets me OC to 1.8 or 2.0? I'll love 'em all more!
Also, my cooling system will be one of the very few things that I'll have to perform only minor upgrades on, and I can tweak/mod it ad infinitum.

Edit: Other than that, you're right. It might run a little slow if you tried to run win2k, but for word processing, simple graphics, etc., you don't need more than .400 gHz.

[Flow]

Originally posted by IdeaMagnate


Edit: Other than that, you're right. It might run a little slow if you tried to run win2k, but for word processing, simple graphics, etc., you don't need more than .400 gHz.

LOL
Well, let me tell you a secret. Only 18 months ago I had a second rig that I used still very frequently. It was at my parents home, so I could do some work (oh yes..) when I visited them at the weekends. A very powerful tool that could do almost everything. And above all very cost effective!
It was a 486, 66Mhz with 8 Mb RAM and running Windows 3.11, Word 2.0, Exel and Corel Draw (versions now long forgotten). Hell, I could even play Warcraft II !!!
Now THAT was a computer (may the computer gods have mercy upon his core)

[VMU]

yeah those were the good old days.

[unreal]

lol, yeah amd and intel,, will be neck and neck for awhile till some other corp comes out with a even better chip to compete with

[Fast420A]

Yeah those were the good old days when this thread was posted 2 AND A HALF YEARS AGO! :eek:

Talk about bringing a dead thread back alive!

[UPCguy21]

My first computer was a 200 mhz amd k6 with a 2 gb hard drive, at that time they thought you wouldn't need more than a 2 gb hard drive, now what, 80 gb is average? LOL. I mean they make pocket pc's that can do 400 mhz lol.

[Agent_Mull]

they make 2gig hds the size of quarters. but jesus, how big are the archives here? I dont even find a post thats 1/2 year old.

[Korndog]

I remember my first computer..
i was like 3 years old, got my first X86 4mhz computer. I could actually overclock it you know! press the turbo button and double the speed of that sucker to 8mhz. :p

i doubt intel will get up to 20ghz..
about 6 years ago, intel said they would have 5ghz by 2003, they're not even close. Then again, nobody knew the economy would drop.

[VMU]

yeah, i still remember my first pc, i know it was an IBM. but cant recall what model. it was fast. but compared to new pcs, its just nothing.

[SilveR5656]

386 was my first....sigh...good ole days

[vidgion]

heh, i remember my 1st computer was an HP pentiumII 533,that thing simply amazed me-

knew nothing about overclocking in those days-


got heavy into online gaming so thought it was time to upgrade after a year, well the home computer market was booming then, and intel released the celeron for a good price, so i bit but with the odd form factor of Compaq-

the celeron 733 wasn't faster than my PII 533 and that sorta ****ed me off because i sold the HP to a friend, so i started doing research to make sure my next pc would satisfy me-

after weeks of reading and learning, found out about the amd duron, was skeptic because i've never heard about this chip nor have i been brainwashed by commercial marketing like intel did,knowing the duron was faster i still couldn't trust it, thought amd was cheap, so went with the pentium III 933 at a huge pricetag and that again was in the Compaq form factor-


i'll admit, i was very pleased with the pIII 933, was able to run games that the celeron fell alseep on-

it wasn't long after that when i started to learn about overclocking, but i wasn't about to OC my pIII 933, too much money invested, too risky, besides, the bios wouldn't let me ;)-

so, got some money together, sold the "pos" celeron 733, and ordered a few hundred dollars in parts including that duron for my 1st homemade computer-

turned out i just built my own computer at just 1/3 the cost of my pIII 933 with the same performance-


hmmm,sold the pIII 933 for a premium price;), built another amd computer and sold it to a buddy with some fat cash to put in the pocket, and he was very pleased with the duron-

at that point i was an enthusiast, all i wanted to do was build computers and see how fast i could make them go-

100-200 mhz overclocks, you couldn't tell me anything-

since then, i've been a big fan of overclocking but wouldn't have learned anything if it weren't for the tomshardwares, the anandtechs, the ircs, the forums and whole overclocking community itself helped me greatly and still does to this day-

so what im trying to say is, as long as we have the drive and passion to enhance computer performance by software/hardware, overclocking will excel-

[Vrykyl]

intel are supposedly working on their Terrahertz technology too, apparently to be released sometime in the next 3 years, a chip thats faster than 1000ghz would be very nice...
However, even if this fails to materialise, do you think that the gains of OC'ing will increase in proportion to clock speeds? At the moment you can get about 1ghz extra roughly on air (a p4 2.6 easily hitting 3.6 on air, or beyond on extreme cooling, or an AMD 1.8 hitting 2.4/2.5ghz) but when clock speeds run into terrahertz or more will an extra ghz make any real difference? or will you be able to get an extra 1000ghz out of em by OCing??? Comments?

Tornado Guy

[germanjulian]

well the thing is we will be stuck pretty much with the overclocking speeds since we either overclock by multiplier or by FSB.

and i have this weird felling that a 2Ghz FSB will be implemented in the next 2 3 years. I doubt mobo makers would let you increment the FSB by 1mhz steps (cause it would take ages) so FSB increases and overclocking will be really odd and if you change your multiplier hohoho 2x2GHZ compared to 3x2Ghz is a big difference.

my first computer (my dads but he never used it) was a trusty 468 with 4MB ram. ahh monkey island was great on it.

and i do believe by 2005 we will have at least 5Ghz if not 6Ghz processors. by this year we will have 4 so should be no problem hitting 5 or 6.

[Vrykyl]

the problem then surely being that an increase from 2x2ghz to 3x2ghz would be so great that it simply becomes instantly unstable...it could hail the death of OCing just through the pure clock speeds involved.
By 2005 i think we'll see at least 10ghz if not more...
and GPUs with at leats 4gb DDR on em (or whatever RAM takes over by then). Terrabyte HDDs, DX 11 and a Microsoft OS that needs 40gb to simply install....LOL

Tornado Guy

ps my first pc was a BBC pc with cassete drive...cant remember the specs tho :D

[doc6886]

Originally posted by Vrykyl
the problem then surely being that an increase from 2x2ghz to 3x2ghz would be so great that it simply becomes instantly unstable...it could hail the death of OCing just through the pure clock speeds involved.
By 2005 i think we'll see at least 10ghz if not more...
and GPUs with at leats 4gb DDR on em (or whatever RAM takes over by then). Terrabyte HDDs, DX 11 and a Microsoft OS that needs 40gb to simply install....LOL

Tornado Guy

ps my first pc was a BBC pc with cassete drive...cant remember the specs tho :D Scary future :(

[Big_Baller]

I could see it dying out in the far future.

[desalien]

if they gave me a 1000 gigahertz processor i would overclock it

[Icekimo]

there was ZX81 and then Spectrum 64,
Wow the Amiga 500 with sprittes!
Commodore 64 with even more sprites,
suddenly came the 8080 processor called personal computer Such a big computer could not be sold if it was'nt personal!

[Korndog]

Originally posted by Vrykyl
the problem then surely being that an increase from 2x2ghz to 3x2ghz would be so great that it simply becomes instantly unstable...it could hail the death of OCing just through the pure clock speeds involved.
By 2005 i think we'll see at least 10ghz if not more...
and GPUs with at leats 4gb DDR on em (or whatever RAM takes over by then). Terrabyte HDDs, DX 11 and a Microsoft OS that needs 40gb to simply install....LOL

Tornado Guy

ps my first pc was a BBC pc with cassete drive...cant remember the specs tho :D

There's a large and growing cooling market. Motherboard manfac. also target overclocks because they know they are willing to pay big bucks for one thats stable at high fsb. And i'm sure AMD knows that they wouldn't have sold nearly as much Tbreds and barton cores if they didn't overclock so much.
For example, i had a 2100 Pally, and was happy with it, when i heard about tbreds, i brought it even though it was the same speed, i only brought it to overclock.

if overclocking was disabled, these companies would lose the revenues they could be getting from overclockers.

[desalien]

overclockers is a small community, that is why i like it, wouldn't be an overclocker if everyone was doin' it ......

[vidgion]

like i said, hardware/software-


if your predictions are correct guys, dont be surprised if we wont need to even open the case to overclock-

the overclocking community is like the speed ricer community-

we are hobbiests who are willing to push hardware to the limit-

[desalien]

you see such trends all over the world, like people who tune their cars
they also have the feeling of working on a machine and trying to make it go faster

[Fast420A]

Originally posted by Korndog

i had a 2100 Pally, and was happy with it, when i heard about tbreds, i brought it even though it was the same speed, i only brought it to overclock.

if overclocking was disabled, these companies would lose the revenues they could be getting from overclockers.


I also had a 2100 Pally running at 1850 on Air and I was happy as could be. Then I also heard about the Tbred B's and bought the Mothers Day $42 NewEgg special 1700 Tbred B which is sitting happily at 2300 Mhz right now. :) My next purchase will be a Barton. :D

[TalvaranRW]

Owned a IBM compatible 486 desktop (i was 4 when we got it so thats basically most of what I remember) running OS/2/Dos. Man i loved the hell outa that thing. I used to sit for hours watching my dad playing Doom 1/2 (i was too scared to play so i would watch) wolfendstien 3d and descent

Good Times :D

[hafa]

I remember at college registration long ago (when we used punch cards to register for classes) I was discussing computers with a physics instructor who just got a brand-new Vic 20, the first of its kind. He was of the opinion that his new machine was the pinacle of personal computers (which at the time it was) and that no one could ever possibly use more than 20K...

In 1999, I build my first AMD 1GHZ box...truly amazing then. over the past 4+ years, we've roughly tripled that. I'd say that using that mhz/time ratio, the state of the art CPU should be at around 9ghz by 2010. The other thing to consider is that WIN32 apps are going to be like WIN16 apps are now...Everything will be WIN64 by then and we'll not only be enjoying faster processors, memory, FSb, etc.., but also much more robust applications, platforms and OSs to exploit their capabilities.

[desalien]

the power of a processor doubles every 18 months, so hafa has made a pretty good calculation
and to use such cpu power ram, hd, video, ...... capacity grows with it

and like bill gates said "computers and applications will never need more RAM then 64 kilobytes"

ow yeah i loved DOOM, Wolfenstein 3D, Black Stone and Commander Keen !!!

[Vrykyl]

Originally posted by desalien
the power of a processor doubles every 18 months, so hafa has made a pretty good calculation
and to use such cpu power ram, hd, video, ...... capacity grows with it

and like bill gates said "computers and applications will never need more RAM then 64 kilobytes"

ow yeah i loved DOOM, Wolfenstein 3D, Black Stone and Commander Keen !!!

Descent always had a special place in my heart too...

Tornado Guy

[Big_Baller]

Originally posted by vidgion
like i said, hardware/software-

the overclocking community is like the speed ricer community-



NOOOOO!!!! :D

Lol yup the default limit to dos was 640k. W00t W00t.

I remember somthing about my uncle telling me intel would stop making processors after the "786" because they would be fast enough by then.

Ah Commander Keen. I still have several of thoughs games on some 5 1/4 inch floppys. I'm going to install the drive some day so I can play em. :D

[-=Mr_B=-]

First pc? That has to be a old orange IBM... 286, 1-2 Mb ram, and monocrome same ugly orange color monitor...

First PC i overclocked? have to have been my Amiga 1200... with a trusted soldering iron i replaced the clock generator chip an instant 25% overclock, and it never had and flaws from it... i still use it for nostalgic weekends with old games along with friends from the same "era"

B!

[desalien]

pls continue first computer discussion here
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=264258