Game Rant. ( god of war and Gta san andreas)

[DerekDRP]

ok why didnt they pull off God of War? at the end ( or one of the cut scenes ) they show you , your toon having sex with 2 girls then they have sex. ( wouldnt that be worse then doggy style on San andra's? "Talked about scene"???

[Dracknem]

question shouldn't be why didn't they pull off God of War, but why did they pull off San Andreas.

[Gabbiani]

I have actually browsed some other boards reading how people feel about GoW. I was happy to find many upset parents and sad kids because their parents would not let them play it.

I have not had that same feeling since playing LOK: Soul Reaver. I love how it is just so..... brutal. And yet still has a somewhat involving story.

IMHO, we should do away with the 17+ rating, have an 18+ rating (like the movie system) and keep blaming parents. I have enjoyed both games, but would not let my kids play either.

[OC Noob]

The devs should have just skipped that crap.

It add NOTHING to the games and is just for hype/shock value that children get all giddy about.

Seriously, do either of these games need that stuff to be great or sell copies.

Its pretty funny that with all the over the top, style centered gameplay in each of these that they need nudity. Certainly there is a lot of substance there too, but the style seems to be more important to these companies than the substance if they need to add nudity and sex to their games.

The holes are obvious in the GTA engine as far as physics, collision detection, the aiming system, etc... and it still gets 10/10's, while GoW was a 9.5/10 kind of game it gets a lot of perfect 10's because dude looks cool doing his move, its bloody and disgusting as hell (which is cool) and he is the anti-hero (like GTA mains) that everyone is so in love with at the moment. So I guess they figure with nudity and sex they'll get 11/10's instead of just perfect 10's?

I guess they want to sell more copies to pre-pubesant and pimply faced kids that can't get ahold of a husler or they think its cool/trendy to put that crap in video games now.


Whats the point? Maybe theswe devs should re-focus on substance rather than style and improve the damn physics in GTA or do something more creative that Simon (http://www.unclesgames.com/product_info.php?ref=4&products_id=551&affiliate_banner_id=1) says for special boss combos in GoW.

Its not even about the games anymore, when even our AAA titles are so hype driven.


ps I don't and won't let my kids play these games either (in my house atleast). So long as they're living on my money its going to be that way.

[DerekDRP]

The devs should have just skipped that crap.

It add NOTHING to the games and is just for hype/shock value that children get all giddy about.

Seriously, do either of these games need that stuff to be great or sell copies.

Its pretty funny that with all the over the top, style centered gameplay in each of these that they need nudity. Certainly there is a lot of substance there too, but the style seems to be more important to these companies than the substance if they need to add nudity and sex to their games.

The holes are obvious in the GTA engine as far as physics, collision detection, the aiming system, etc... and it still gets 10/10's, while GoW was a 9.5/10 kind of game it gets a lot of perfect 10's because dude looks cool doing his move, its bloody and disgusting as hell (which is cool) and he is the anti-hero (like GTA mains) that everyone is so in love with at the moment. So I guess they figure with nudity and sex they'll get 11/10's instead of just perfect 10's?

I guess they want to sell more copies to pre-pubesant and pimply faced kids that can't get ahold of a husler or they think its cool/trendy to put that crap in video games now.


Whats the point? Maybe theswe devs should re-focus on substance rather than style and improve the damn physics in GTA or do something more creative that Simon (http://www.unclesgames.com/product_info.php?ref=4&products_id=551&affiliate_banner_id=1) says for special boss combos in GoW.

Its not even about the games anymore, when even our AAA titles are so hype driven.


ps I don't and won't let my kids play these games either (in my house atleast). So long as they're living on my money its going to be that way.


I hear you bud. ( except the kids part ( dont have kids ). but if i did i be like you. wouldnt want them to watch smut in games or on tv . Speacking of tv you ever watched freinds? the blond girl woman jennifer aston ( her nipples are allways shown threw her shirts why dont they cut that out )? its like you can see her sillute of her breats that way ( suppose to be a g rated sit com right?

[Gabbiani]

I hear you bud. ( except the kids part ( dont have kids ). but if i did i be like you. wouldnt want them to watch smut in games or on tv . Speacking of tv you ever watched freinds? the blond girl woman jennifer aston ( her nipples are allways shown threw her shirts why dont they cut that out )? its like you can see her sillute of her breats that way ( suppose to be a g rated sit com right?

I probably agree for the most part. But I see the nudity at least just as relavant in the games as on tv. The games are rated and have an up front worning about sexuality. (Don't start on the M/AO crap) The games are suposed to be role playing experiences, so in a sense its art. Don't bash me, but if the producers of GoW were truly diving into the whole greek thing, there would have been tons of nudity and womanizing in all the art, and most of the stories. Even the great warriors we praise and sail with for years to reach his wife has a few flings with some celestial bodys.

Sadly I think I enjoyed the shock value of it. Seeing boobs is not really a big deal once you are married, I was impressed that the developers were willing to push that far.

[frysterio]

Ye Ive played the game but never though about those scences, I guess we are use to it from tv. I really dont know what the problem is, like the show Nip tuck, it was on regural channel and if anyone has seen this show, its a lot worse then any of these games. Oh well, whenever something new in media is brought to us theres always people that will tell us its not right.

[DerekDRP]

aye so why are parants so against it when there own kids are mroe sudject to it at school? heck some of the school box show nudity. ( for teaching resons ). and what about the national Geographic? lol. why dont parants sue them ? they show nude woman and . man an attack on rockstar games ( was stupid on there part ) then they should attack everything that has nudity in it.

[Gabbiani]

aye so why are parants so against it when there own kids are mroe sudject to it at school? heck some of the school box show nudity. ( for teaching resons ). and what about the national Geographic? lol. why dont parants sue them ? they show nude woman and . man an attack on rockstar games ( was stupid on there part ) then they should attack everything that has nudity in it.

Careful or they will attack all of it.

[OC Noob]

aye so why are parants so against it when there own kids are mroe sudject to it at school? heck some of the school box show nudity. ( for teaching resons ). and what about the national Geographic? lol. why dont parants sue them ? they show nude woman and . man an attack on rockstar games ( was stupid on there part ) then they should attack everything that has nudity in it.

I think most of the people who are publicly doing stuff are publicly against all that other stuff too, with the exception of national geographics, but thats just a bad example. But I understand what you are saying.

Most of the stuff with nudity or violence thats realistic enough to scare a child, I don't let my kids watch (and they have no interest at this point either) and I'll bet most average parents are the same.

The thing about video games is its highly associated with children and most people are clueless to the content. If they new what you or I do they'd never buy GoW for their kids and it is their job to know these things, but most people are still in the 80's as far as their view of games and think 99% of the stuff is like Pac Man. They don't realise that the 18+ yo audience is driving the market.


You know how I feel, its not so much the content as the reason for the content and its effect on gaming.

ps you guys have all had quality posts and no one has brought it up, but a lot of times I see people saying the violence is worse, so why do people make a big deal out of the stuff when there is so much violence. I think its because parents deal with the violence issue very early in a childs life teaching them not to hit, kick, bite, etc... and at a very early age your kids are taught that the stuff in cartoons is fake and that violence is wrong, but sex on the other hand doesn't come up unitl later in life and thats something that is destine to happen vs. your kids going on a killing rampage. At a young age kids aren't even into sexy scenes on TV, they think its sick, but questions arise when dude is doing doggie style and 3 different other positions in a video game. But, kids shouldn't be exposed to that (allowed to play those games), but a lot of people get ****ed thing things directed at kids have something like that in them (we know its not directed at kids, but most parents don't).

[funnyperson1]

First of all the sex scenes in GTA:SA and the ones in GoW are nowhere near the same thing. In God of war the camera pans off the screen and shows you an arousing shot of a nighstand and a lamp. A lot is suggested by the initial posititioning of the women, but no actual sex act is shown graphically (ie no genitalia exposed).

The difference in the scene you speak of from God of War and the one in GTA is the difference between watching the Titanic, and watching hardcore porn. In GoW there is some upper nudity and there are very suggestive scenes, but again no actual visible genitalia.

One other reason why GTA got attacked is that Rockstar and the GTA series seem to be the scapegoat of these types of scandalous gaming trends. Rockstar is the Eminem of the gaming industry. Because they base so much of their appeal on shock value, and they revel in it--they always get caught up in the scandals.

The more I go into this analogy the more I like it. Think about it, Eminem's first three albums were amazing, the last one he seemed to be reaching for shocks, that single he released was one of the worst songs I have ever heard. Same thing with SA, the first 4 GTAs were great but from what little I played of SA I was dissapointed, there were really no enhancements in gameplay just the same old run over people and shoot people.

This is where GTA and GoW differ, Sony put together GoW as a complete gaming experience, the storyline, the gameplay...everything was amazing. The sex scene was not thrown in there randomly to get more sales, it was part of the story, it built up the persona of Kratos, gave you a small piece of the puzzle. Yes the game was grimy and and brutal, but thats what Kratos needed to be to make the game as great as it was.

In no way was GoW appropriate for children, but it wasn't made for children. This game was obviously made by some very twisted adults for adult consumption. Personally GoW was one of my favorite 10 games of all time, and easily my favorite single player console game since Mario 64 (Halo pales in comparison imho).


ps you guys have all hard quality posts and no one has brought it up, but a lot of times I see people saying the violence is worse, so why do people make a big deal out of the stuff when there is so much violence. I think its because parents deal with the violence issue very early in a childs life teaching them not to hit, kick, bite, etc... and at a very early age your kids are taught that the stuff in cartoons is fake and that violence is wrong, but sex on the other hand doesn't come up unitl later in life and thats something that is destine to happen vs. your kids going on a killing rampage. At a young age kids aren't even into sexy scenes on TV, they think its sick, but questions arise when dude is doing doggie style and 3 different other positions in a video game. But, kids shouldn't be exposed to that (allowed to play those games), but a lot of people get ****ed thing things directed at kids have something like that in them (we know its not directed at kids, but most parents don't).

Very interesting point, I was about to talk about the violence aspect. On the other hand, God of War was given a mature rating, and if that wasn't enough warning there is a picture of a guy holding two bloody swords on the cover. Might that not clue parents in to excessive violence?

If a parent can't tell what content is not made for kids when it is clearly marked, then thats their fault. I remember when I first got a cd player in 8th grade my dad went with me to buy cds. And he checked the cds and didn't let me get the ones with Parental advisories on them. OC Noob, I am glad you do, that is what a good parent should do, the rating system is there for a reason.

Also, the other reason GTA:SA was "singled out" is because it was rated mature before the content was released, and then the hidden sexual content came out. Its just like they were circumventing the system, even if not on purpose. I certainly wouldn't want any children under at least 17 watching that GTA scene(although from my experience kids nowadays at that age are already watching porn on the internet).

I do agree that games have changed, when I was growing (not to long ago, I'm 19) up the popular games were Sonic and Mario. With the advent of realistic graphics it seems that gaming has grown into a bit more of an adult industry with violence and sex, which both sell pretty well. Parents need to recognize this change and adapt...the government should not have to raise your kids.

[dlouly76]

I hear you bud. ( except the kids part ( dont have kids ). but if i did i be like you. wouldnt want them to watch smut in games or on tv . Speacking of tv you ever watched freinds? the blond girl woman jennifer aston ( her nipples are allways shown threw her shirts why dont they cut that out )? its like you can see her sillute of her breats that way ( suppose to be a g rated sit com right?

I dont have kids either, and agree also and respect those parents that do want to keep this out of the childrens view. However when your talking about TV shows on public stations and to Zoom in on and concentrate on jennifers nipples is obsured. That is YOUR own view and thoughts going through your head. Whats that show with Pamela Anderson? Well she has enormous breasts - even thought her nipples may not be revealing her WHOLE breasts are.. IS that allowed in your book? LOL....... For real you pervert! .. Stop trying to look at Annistons Nipples!! :)

[DipStickTony]

I dont see what the big deal is. They changed the rating from 17+ to 18+, a whole year difference. The problem is parents let their kids play these 17+ games when they are only 12 years old, then go berzerk when they find something unacceptable. So the rating should have probably been 18+ from the start, but for 90% of these angry parents I think it's their own damn fault.

I never seen the sex scenes, but if its 17 & 18 year olds like it should be its not really a big deal. If this game had a 13+ rating originally or something like that then this could be a big deal.

[dlouly76]

Agreed. Its like ciggarettes. If someones kids gets their hands on it there is no way to prevent it. Made for people 18 +.

I just think in this type of world today people will suit others just for some extra retirement money.

[OC Noob]

First of all the sex scenes in GTA:SA and the ones in GoW are nowhere near the same thing. In God of war the camera pans off the screen and shows you an arousing shot of a nighstand and a lamp. A lot is suggested by the initial posititioning of the women, but no actual sex act is shown graphically (ie no genitalia exposed).

The difference in the scene you speak of from God of War and the one in GTA is the difference between watching the Titanic, and watching hardcore porn. In GoW there is some upper nudity and there are very suggestive scenes, but again no actual visible genitalia.

One other reason why GTA got attacked is that Rockstar and the GTA series seem to be the scapegoat of these types of scandalous gaming trends. Rockstar is the Eminem of the gaming industry. Because they base so much of their appeal on shock value, and they revel in it--they always get caught up in the scandals.

The more I go into this analogy the more I like it. Think about it, Eminem's first three albums were amazing, the last one he seemed to be reaching for shocks, that single he released was one of the worst songs I have ever heard. Same thing with SA, the first 4 GTAs were great but from what little I played of SA I was dissapointed, there were really no enhancements in gameplay just the same old run over people and shoot people.

This is where GTA and GoW differ, Sony put together GoW as a complete gaming experience, the storyline, the gameplay...everything was amazing. The sex scene was not thrown in there randomly to get more sales, it was part of the story, it built up the persona of Kratos, gave you a small piece of the puzzle. Yes the game was grimy and and brutal, but thats what Kratos needed to be to make the game as great as it was.

In no way was GoW appropriate for children, but it wasn't made for children. This game was obviously made by some very twisted adults for adult consumption. Personally GoW was one of my favorite 10 games of all time, and easily my favorite single player console game since Mario 64 (Halo pales in comparison imho).



Very interesting point, I was about to talk about the violence aspect. On the other hand, God of War was given a mature rating, and if that wasn't enough warning there is a picture of a guy holding two bloody swords on the cover. Might that not clue parents in to excessive violence?

If a parent can't tell what content is not made for kids when it is clearly marked, then thats their fault. I remember when I first got a cd player in 8th grade my dad went with me to buy cds. And he checked the cds and didn't let me get the ones with Parental advisories on them. OC Noob, I am glad you do, that is what a good parent should do, the rating system is there for a reason.

Also, the other reason GTA:SA was "singled out" is because it was rated mature before the content was released, and then the hidden sexual content came out. Its just like they were circumventing the system, even if not on purpose. I certainly wouldn't want any children under at least 17 watching that GTA scene(although from my experience kids nowadays at that age are already watching porn on the internet).

I do agree that games have changed, when I was growing (not to long ago, I'm 19) up the popular games were Sonic and Mario. With the advent of realistic graphics it seems that gaming has grown into a bit more of an adult industry with violence and sex, which both sell pretty well. Parents need to recognize this change and adapt...the government should not have to raise your kids.

Yeah, I think a lot of people will wake up and realise games aren't just for kids anymore if any of those videos of GTA go mainstream, which they likely will. Maybe some good will come out of all the crapola.

[dlouly76]

Last night I was enjoying kicking Gary Coleman in the face and urinating on the dead bodies. I was playing " POSTAL 2" - it was great.

[JoT]

Hmm....

[dlouly76]

Hmm....


Here is the G4 Review

Great game - ESRB RATING - Mature

http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/features/52065/Postal_2_Apocalypse_Weekend_Review.html

[lordkosc]

I wish God of War would come out for PC or XBOX...

[Marley]

I understand complains with games but surgesting that nipples barely visible through a tee should be edited out is just stupid.. your average child either wont watch the show and its very doubtful if they did theyd find themselves staring at Jens chest. When your children do pick up on such things then its time for the 'birds and the bees' talk and you'll probabally find they already own a p0rn stack. That really was quite a prude comment to have made. In actually going back to sex in games, although its pretty pointless they do have an age limit clearly labelled. Many 18 rated film's include sex yet not many people complain about them. Does it really matter if a game does?

[OC Noob]

Many 18 rated film's include sex yet not many people complain about them. Does it really matter if a game does?


Its probably because films are more regulated than games and games still have that "just for kids" stigma. Do they still card kids trying to get into R movies?


ps Postal 2 is suposed to have an expansion coming soon isn't it? I wouldn't say it was a great game, but it was funny as hell. Forget the kids, I wouldn't let my mother play that game, lol.

[dlouly76]

ps Postal 2 is suposed to have an expansion coming soon isn't it? I wouldn't say it was a great game, but it was funny as hell. Forget the kids, I wouldn't let my mother play that game, lol.


Yep - Its called apocolypse weekend - I think its already out.

[OC Noob]

I was in Blockbuster renting a movie and behind me these 10 yo kids were talking about renting Conker's for Xbox and I was going to turn around and tell the mother that it was pretty mature and one of the kids started reading the rating on it out loud.

Needless to say, half-way through reading that it wasn't appropriate for here kids she told him to shut up and to not read "that." It was apperant she was embarrased because the people in line heard.

It just reminded me of all this Hot Coffee crap and made me laugh.

I guess there's one more parent that can't complain about Hot-Coffee, lol.

[austinbmxnig]

see....i think i would come from a different school of thought than alot of you as far as censoring my children....by the time i have kids censorship will have destroyed so much of what it means to be human that i feel i am the only person who can educate them about such horrible things as violence and drugs and deception and cursing and sex and whatever else....i didn't create the problems, therefore if i have kids it will become my responsibility to be a teacher, philosopher, preacher and friend to my children.....they will not grow up brainwashed like they are so encouraged to be